Since when can Umineko characters compete with multiversal reality warpers?
Someone's gonna be frozen at absolute zero, and Yamamoto's the unlucky fellow.
Afterimages, blurs and "faster than the eye" cliches should never be considered for serious scaling of a character's capabilities for speed since, as discussed, they are there for show in a series. Judging time and the amount of distance traveled in that time would be a more reliable means of determining speed.
Fan calcs can be reliable for reference, but shouldn't be considered an absolute truth for a character's capabilities since everyone in this wonderful world can and will be biased to a degree in how they scale and judge the feats of a title.
Just wanted to try this out to see how things would have gone in a match between these two at a point in the series.
Battle Area: Just outside Konohagakure
Distance Apart: 100 meters
Conditions: Battle can be won via death or incapacitation. Both are in character. Naruto starts the battle in Sage Mode with Pein arc stats/ abilities and Itachi is alive and healthy for the match. Itachi has knowledge of Naruto's abilities up to his battle with Kakuzu while Naruto has whatever knowledge was available on Itachi before his final battle with Sasuke.
Taking these conditions into account, who do you think would win this match?
@Supreme Marvel: I wouldn't even factor that aspect of the shot into calculating the feat since it looks like another case of DBZ inconsistency. The "fair distance" shown in the shot of Gotenks' flight around the Earth had the rotation going fairly quickly and appearing to have "passed" a couple hours before showing Gotenks landing to the ground. As any seasoned DBZ fan would know, fusion time is limited to a half hour and despite a couple hours shown to have passed by the Earth's rotational speed, Gotenks is still fused. Not only that, but the Earth only travels about 1675 km/h in its rotation and both of us can agree that nearly all of the major DBZ characters by Buu saga can casually surpass that speed.
The circumference of the Earth is 40,075,017 km. He circled that 9 times. Which is 360.675,153 km in total. To travel that in 15 minutes - which is only based on what I believe he could of done in that time. Could be longer could be less. To travel that distance in 15 minutes, the speed I was given was 1,623,038,188 km which is 1.5x the speed of light.
Forgot to account for circumference, but your friend doesn't seem to be accounting time for the major variable of measuring Gotenks' travel speed. To be at light speed, you need to be traveling at least 299,792.458 km per second, or 1,079,252,850 km/h. As you've pointed out, Earth's circumference is 40,075.017 km (the comma between the thousands and hundreds place should be a decimal point). If Gotenks traveled the Earth nine times and we chose to account for circumference instead of diameter, he would have traveled 360,675.153 kilometers. If he traveled within the time you assume with the number of times Gotenks circled the planet, his travel time would have been 400.75017 km/s, or roughly 1/10 of a percent of light speed. A faster result than determining via diameter, but still nowhere close to light speed.
My assumption with Gotenks was that he traveled that distance within the scope of a minute and took his nap for much of the rest of his fusion time before flying off to find Fat Buu and defusing. So taking the travel distance via circumference, we get 6011.25255 km/s traveled or about 2% the speed of light making the travel speed sub-relativistic. To be fair though, this equation assumes he maintains a consistent travel speed as he goes around the Earth and not going faster as he builds up on speed from traveling the planet, so there's a possibility he could travel faster than this speed.
@machmans: 100,000 miles? Looks more like something the maker of that video pulled out their ass. -_-*
The scans for that feat don't show how far the blast traveled away from Earth after Goku evaded it, making it unquantifiable to measure.
@Supreme Marvel: That's some bad math to apply. Traveling around the Earth nine times would mean Gotenks traveled 114,678 km (Earth being 12,742 km for its diameter). If you assumed he traveled that distance in 15 minutes, then it greatly weakens Gotenks' speed as he would be traveling at only 127.42 km/s (roughly Mach 375 and nowhere even close to a percentage of light speed). Then assuming he actually traveled that full distance in just a second, it would only place him at about 38% of light speed (exact distance for light speed in km/ s being 299,792.458). Don't have a clue how your friend devised those numbers.
I was into the Yu-gi-oh TCG throughout college for casual play online from 2003 to 2007. After that, my interest fizzled out and I left my cards stored away up until I sold off my whole collection last year. Don't think I'm getting into anymore card games at my age.
@Galenbeta: The way Avalon works is that the sheathe surrounds Saber in a barrier that isolates her from the physical plane of existence and provides her with a defense that counteracts any destructive effects coming from various planes of existence and parallel dimensions, and reflecting the effects of said attacks back at their senders. The only setbacks with the sheathe are that Saber can't attack or move while Avalon's abilities are in effect and she has to trigger the sheathe's effects to activate them. This would pose an issue for Saber if she were up against a significantly faster foe who could dispatch her quickly than any chance she has to react or dealing with multiple powerful foes attacking her at once. But with the Servants in this match being on par or lower than her in speed and multiple characters being allied with her in this match, both these weaknesses aren't an issue here, especially as Archer being here allows him to counter GoB with UBW.
Buu MAY be able to go faster than light in his highest form. Maybe.
Going off Gotenks' feat of flying around the Earth several times in a very short amount of time, I'd put Buu and other characters at his level of power and higher at sub-relativistic to relativistic speeds. Very fast compared to many anime titles, but not enough to compete with the faster heroes among DC Comics like Superman, Martian Manhunter and especially Flash who are easily FTL.
1.) Can Flash fly?
Read what I posted above. Speed Force users are capable of flight through rotation of their limbs or entire bodies at high speeds and can run on frictionless environments like being in space. While Wally isn't as adept at the former means of flight as Barry Allen (who can maintain flight for prolonged periods of time), Wally can still pull it off.
3.) If he can fly, I'm guessing he can fly a FTL speeds.
Wally can't fly as fast as he could while running on solid ground, but he's still easily FTL in speeds while in flight.
4.) What is he going to do that can get past Buu's regen.
Simple enough, just keep beating away at Buu until the evil baddie exhausts his ki reserves. Buu's regen is fueled through his ki reserves and even he has limits with how long he can keep recovering if up against a powerful foe, as his battle with Vegito shown when Buu was finding it increasingly difficult to regenerate himself as the battle prolonged. So long as Wally retains his connection to the Speed Force, he can continue to resupply his stamina reserves.
If Wally feels the need to end the battle quickly, he can also win via BFR by dumping Buu in the Speed Force dimension or absorbing all of Buu's kinetic movement via physical contact, reducing the baddie to a immovable statue.
5.) Can Buu just turn Flash into chocolate and eat him?
Wouldn't picture it hitting Wally. Outside of the immense speed advantage, Flash can vibrate his molecules at high enough speeds to make himself intangible for short periods of time, allowing most attacks to pass through him.
Before I get to this 30th poll for Ani-Crap, I shall commence with my announcement. Following this review, I plan to take an indefinite hiatus from making any more postings for Ani-Crap Review. With my attempt at incorporating hentai into the postings being a bust since my stomach doesn't feel up to it, I'm beginning to feel burnt out from exposure to much of the same stuff coming from crappy anime titles I've covered. So I think some time away from doing the postings will help me out for a bit until I feel compelled enough to take up Ani-Crap again as long as other anime and real life affairs don't get in the way of things.
With that news out of the way, on with the next poll:
With this poll, I've added sequels to a couple notable duds I've covered in the past to the mix. As usual, you have two weeks to decide on which of these duds you want me to rip apart for my next review. This means September 27 will be the deadline for voting. Otherwise, feel free to vote for what title you want me to rip apart before I put Ani-Crap on hiatus.