@SMXLR8: I'm not familiar enough with Battle Angel Alita to judge her.
@SMXLR8: I'm not familiar enough with Battle Angel Alita to judge her.
@SMXLR8: The biggest issues with Gilgamesh taking part here are Gate of Babylon and Ea.
GoB allows Gil to spam weapons with differing properties and enchantments that vary from negating regeneration to casting various curses to outright ignoring cause and effect to fatally wound the enemy. It can be used on multiple foes at once and would be too overwhelming for characters of HST stats to overcome.
Ea's power allows it to rip holes in dimensions and even out right destroy them at higher outputs of power (i.e. Iskander's Reality Marble). At its maximum power, the weapon is a life-wiper as it would make the Earth inhabitable for any life on the planet.
@GIRUGAMESH: The mach speed for Lucy's vectors are easily in the triple digits, while the high tiers of the HST are only around Mach 10-30ish for movement and reaction speed. There's no way in hell any HST character is gonna have the time to react before they get reduced to gory goodness via Lucy's vectors.
All right. After having checked the calc, it convinces me enough to agree as well that Cloud can win via speed blitzing and can outrun the weapons fired from Gate of Babylon. Suppose this will change how I judge Final Fantasy 7 for future battles. But still, Dante will be nothing more than a pin cushion to Gate of Babylon spammage.
@Kobra678: Gilgamesh doesn't have many speed feats since he mostly resorts to spamming the weapons in Gate of Babylon to dispatch his foes. He is implied to at least have as great reaction time as Servants (about Mach 30+) like Saber and Assassin as he casually fended off sword attacks from Saber's Excalibur using only the hands of his golden armor.
@ReiKai: Quit wanking for Haseo.
Bumping again. Today will be the last day I take votes. Presently, Iron Man has lead with 4 votes, followed by Genocyber and New Kyoto Arc with 2 votes each and Art of Fighting and Astarotte's Toy with a single vote each.
@ReliusClover: Really? I knew of the wiki running into issues a while back from complaints, but didn't know it was abandoned.
Then again, I recall it was recently accepted on OBD that high tiers in DBZ are accepted as being relativistic in speed, yet this wasn't reflected in many of the profile wikis for a number of characters on the old wiki.
I'll try using the new wiki for info, unless there's nothing available with info on it or I can't personally agree with assessments (like the mentioned speed calcs for Claymore).
I highly doubt Cloud is Mach 100+ when there's another wiki saying he's Mach 26 in speed and has a calc to at least back up the evidence.
As for the match, Gil Gate of Babylowns as usual. Dante's Time Stop won't work on Gilgamesh considering time magic didn't seem to effect the King of Heroes at all as Kiritsugu learned the hard way in the Fate/ Zero novels.
He is far above mountain level.
As me and others keep trying to hammer into that wanking mind of yours, he isn't. The guy's only at town-busting levels and only hacked apart a section of a mountain with his swings.
Avalon can't be used for an infinite time and will eventually run out.
No one in Bleach is getting through Avalon and will only kill themselves trying when they get their attacks reflected back in their face.
Saber is not getting anywhere beyond ulquiorra
On the contrary, she would be a good match for even the high tiers of Bleach, so long as Avalon is barred. You're just too biased to think otherwise.
@GIRUGAMESH: Ulquiorra isn't gonna be able to block or tank them. Vectors are psychic appendages that a diclonius can manifest which can bypass conventional durability (only vectors or other psychic manifestations can block them) and are not visible to sight unless they are at a high enough frequency. By the end of the manga, Lucy's vectors could reach and travel as far out as outside of the Earth's atmosphere in a matter of seconds, putting them easily at massively hypersonic speeds, and she was using quite a number of them all at once. Ulquiorra's not gonna have the speed to evade them, much less be capable of blocking them since Lucy can have her vectors go through an opponent's flesh to hack apart their internal organs.
@brolybankai: You really need to work on your spelling and grammar. Your sentences are barely coherent.
Manga Lucy would only die if she resorted to her maximum power output for a prolonged period of time, which wouldn't be necessary. Ulquiorra's regen isn't gonna help him in regenerating his organs when they are sliced apart by Lucy's vectors and he won't have the time to prep any attack for that matter considering how ridiculously fast the vectors travel at.
And the anime pics are kind of pointless anyway since it's agreed anyway that the anime version of her character is much weaker than her manga counterpart and could be easily wasted by Ulquiorra.
Saber should be okay here as long as she is barred from having Avalon. But I think Gilgamesh should be barred considering Gate of Babylon gives him enough freakin' hax and Ea's a life-wiper at its maximum output.
Also, Samurai Deeper Kyo is just as ridiculous in stats as Negima, Rave Master and Yuyu Hakusho from what I'm looking up and Former Crimson King has quite a bit of hax on him.
Sasuke can win this battle, though he's gonna have difficulty in doing so thanks to Kakuzu's elemental attacks and multiple hearts. Any Chidori variant would easily get around Kakuzu's Earth Spear technique and Sasuke can use fire jutsu against Pressure Damage. But he'd still have to worry about the other hearts and Kakuzu's threads. If he makes use of genjutsu via Sharingan and snake jutsu, he could pick off the rest of Kakuzu's hearts while the greedy Akatsuki member is distracted.
@SMXLR8: Toriko's about on par with HST level. No need to ban characters from that series.
And as discussed, Dragon Ball would be alright as well. Just no one in DBZ and later.
@SMXLR8: Let's see:
1. Lucy's strongest incarnation in the Elfen Lied manga is capable of life-wiping and her vectors can travel at massively hypersonic speeds.
2. The high tiers of Negima, Yuyu Hakusho and Rave Master are either significantly greater than anything HST characters can muster up in stats, have a great amount of hax on them or are life-wipers.
4. The Digimon involved in this tournament have demonstrated abilities to destroy planets, rip through dimensions or are powerscaled as such based on their showings against Digimon of similar levels.
5. Kazuma's stronger Alter forms can rip holes in dimensions, can travel at light speed in the manga and has destructive potential scaled at country levels.
6. Seiya's stronger showings are beyond anything that other characters involved thus far in this tournament could hope to match, on top of having the ability to destroy on an atomic level and having auto-resurrection abilities.
I was assuming this tournament involved characters having to be around HST stats to assure balance with character choices, which is what I took to mind with making my team up. However, a number of the characters among teams here are capable of planet busting, ripping through dimensions, are life wipers and/ or have stats that are way higher than what high tiers in the HST can muster up. Not exactly too well balanced at the moment.
@othus12: Seiya and the two mentioned Digimon might be a bit much here.
As for me, I guess I'll join in with the festivities. Think I'll do an all-girl team for the lulz.
1. Solty Revant (Solty Rei)
2. Chise (Saikano)
3. Rider (Fate/ Stay Night)- Stats on par with Sakura Matou as her Master.
4. Mikoto Misaka (A Certain Magical Index)
5. Seras Victoria (Hellsing)
6. Ciel (Tsukihime)- Can ban her immortality here.
7. Priscilla (Claymore)