No he couldn't have. He was talking about the saiyan race, obviously. Kaioshin then responds saying each kaio could beat Freeza in on blow, because Freeza was>>> the saiyans, not over buu saga Goku and Vegeta.
Nice try though.
Alright, I'll cave in on that on.
What are you talking about? Kaioshin said buu was going to destroy the universe.
In filler we see him begining to do so.
Toriyama himself says the anime and manga are the same continuity, I will post proof of this when I get on my other computer.
I meant how did he know that your interpretion of his statement was going to happen?
That's not what it said in the scan you gave me.
*Elder Kai offers Goku he's life so he could return to earth(previous page)
*Supreme Kai and Kibito says he can't
*Elder Kai says "then the universe will be destoryed"
You're just putting words in the Elder Kai's mouth. Plus that was Buuhan when he fought Vegito.
I think I know what interview you're talking about.
Is it the one where he's asked how would he place the anime? That was an opinionated question. I had an argument like this before.
If you're talking about that one, fillers are not apart of the original Dragon Ball continuity. The only material in the anime that is tied to manga continuity is the animated material from the manga. You don't really think the Garlic Jr. saga is canon do you?
Yes I say so, and you say the opposite. Both are just are interpretations, but mine is based on the statement in the manga, yours is not.
And my interpretions is based off of Cell's character. A character who lies to himself.
Not true, character B can hide and suppress his true power.
Vegeta didn't know how to hide his power at first, he learn it from the Z fighters after he fought them, like he learn how to sense ki. Mr. Popo also had to teach this concept to Goku,iirc.
Here is the scan for Vegeta saying he learned it.
And again the sixth example was not character on character, it was that King Kai and Goku believed that Freeza's attack outputted enough power to destory Namek in one shot. Vegeta(SS arc.) and Goku(piccolo sr arc) was going all out in their battles so their true power should have been known to their opponents but they still believed that their attacks would kill them.
1) Half of the androids as in the ones we were discussing, 16, 17, 18 and Cell. We weren't really talking about 19, 20 or 8 ect.
2) Why do cling to the same argument that I have proved wrong? Gohan's strength is an unknown, Gohan's power can rise (even a 1000 times over in a second) cell has no way of knowing if gohan will rise up and surpass him right then and there. The energy required to destroy a solar system is not an unknown. Just like Roshi, and Vegeta knew their max destructive outputs, SPC knew his. Prove this wrong or it is a concession.
1)When I said all of the androids I meant all the androids in Cell saga and it doesn't really matter though.
2) Above and I already refuted the Vegeta part.
So you're saying Gohan wasn't powered up?
Here's him rising his power up.
Now to say that Gohan was holding back his power would be completely stupid of him because he would be making the same mistake he made eariler.
Because he's a saiyan, or rather a hybrid.
Saiyans have the potential for infinite power, I will post that scan when I get on my other computer rest assured, and Cell has saiyan cells.
Yet this never happens to Cell when he gets angry, so that argument is moot.
Cell received a zenkai after eating the senzu, pre SPC.
What your referring to is when he became even more perfect (SPC) and acquired goku's shunkan ido (IT)
Cell wasn't in danger of death or anything like that, brah. He just lost some energy fighting Goku.
Nyiobo is massively hypersonic, this is directly seen then confirmed by Toriyama. If you can't even accept this then the joke is not in DB but in your debating.
4th wall joke happened in the buu saga when the kids were learning fusion.
I said near light speed. Hypersonic is a term that is for any speed superior to sound before arriving to relativistic and you're ignoring the "air on the moon" bit, which makes that scene toon force power. AT confirmed the distance but I didn't see anything about the speed(unless I missed it). The trip to Kami's on the pole took way longer, Yajirobe and Korin could exchange words before Goku got there.
Goku even commented that it was far, so Nyiobo really wasn't moving as fast as did with the moon. The pole got to the moon really fast out of toonforce just like how Goku,Rabbit and co was able to survive in space.
Maybe prove it?
If the concentrated blast doesn't make enough contact, it doesn't matter how much energy it has, its not destroying the earth. This is directly seen with vegeta's final flash.
Even more so since its a show with no set in stone physical laws.
The Search Function at Narutofan isn't working right at this moment so I'll just ask the person who made the cals to give me a link. Most of Vegeta's attack was send out into space. Vegeta at that time was much weaker than Cell at time and there was no statements saying it was a solar system buster.
Well posters do use physical laws to quantify feats in fiction. Like determineing Dragon Ball speed.
Mr Satan was seen as lying and doesnt believe it himself. He knows who beat cell.
Cells claim is different and frankly your reaching pretty hard now with the comparison.
I'll admit that was a pretty bad example.
Get the person who's huggin you to let go so you can get back on topic and stop with the meaningless babble.
Just giving an example and much more powerful power ups still didn't destory the planet including SPC powering up his attack and all it did was shake a city.
Vegeta said "if you want to blow up the earth thats your business, but fight us first." When I have time I will post this scan as well.
And why couldn't he stop him the second time if he did the first?
And Buu did not fight them first, he just tried to blow it up again with a more powerful attack.
Goku even said they wouldn't be able stop the second one. It was too powerful/huge for them and it was just a muti planet buster at best. If you can't grasp that then well I can't help you. EDIT: I realized we've been at this for nearly a week so I'll take my leave from this arguement and I realized this topic is about Perfect Cell not Super Perfect Cell...