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Goku » How strong is Kid Goku?

Seriously though kid Goku >>>>>>>> Naruto.

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Dragon Ball » Goku vs.Gohan: Who's a better character?

Goku. He's the shows protagonist and the one who everyone always relies on. He's the hero of the story, the most selfless and Cell aside the one who always ends up saving the day. Speaking as someone who normally doesn't like the main character he has a lot of qualities like his selflessness, humility and at times stupidity which make it difficult not to root for him. He is in my view the most universally likeable main character in any series I've seen and my favourite by far in DBZ.

Gohan by contrast is not one of my favourites. He comes across as a bit of a wimp with no real battle sense, the random gargling noises kid Gohan tends to hit out with every 10 seconds were a particularly annoying reminder of this. He is lazy, doesn't train and gets most of his significant power increases handed to him on a plate. In spite of this he still has a tendency to become arrogant when he has th upper hand in battle and this pretty much always costs him. That kind of things fine if alongside it the character has an edge like Vegeta but Gohan's arrogance alongside his goofy attitude is a strange fit and a major reason why i'm not a big fan.

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Battles » Dr.Doom VS Frieza ( read op first)

@SMXLR8: ... yeah so Doom is the 2nd most overrated character in anything ever haha seriously guys what could Doom do with prep that would even phase 100% Frieza?

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Battles » Dr.Doom VS Frieza ( read op first)

Frieza crushes him regardless of prep. Doom is the most overrated character in anything ever.

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Dragon Ball » Should DBZ have ended with Frieza's defeat?

As most of you probably know DBZ was originally planned to end with Goku's defeat of Frieza. He would have been the only super saiyan and had have brought peace to the universe. Toriyama reportedly chose to carry the saga on due to it's overwhelming popularity, the question is do you think he should have?

I personally feel that there were many good and bad points which stemmed from carrying the series on. The good came in the form of Cell who was in my view a fantastic bad guy, the future Trunks/Androids story arc and the opportunity to watch Vegeta's character/ relationship with Goku fully develop.

The bad for me was the over saturation of super saiyans (I love kid Trunks and Goten but c'mon), the de-valuing of the SS legend through ssJ1 quickly becoming insignificant and the further degenaration of the human characters to the point they didn't even bother to even try to fight during the Buu saga.

Overall I think they were right to continue and to produce two sagas in the Androids/Cell and Buu that I really enjoyed if notquite as much as the Namek, what do you guys think?

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Battles » Cell vs Dabura

Cell in his Super-Perfect form vs Dabura the Demon King. The battle takes place in Dabura's demon world. Who takes it?

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Battles » The Humans vs Team

Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Chaoutzu (EOS) vs Frieza, Salza, Captain Ginyu and Turles.

Fight takes place in a deserted wasteland. No prep.

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Battles » Raditz vs Turles

Turles annihilates him. Timeline wise I'm sure Turles was supposed to have arrived after Vegeta and Nappa and Goku still had a ridiculously hard time with him. Even without the fruit he's probably as strong or stronger than Saiyan saga Vegeta, Raditz would be dead in seconds.

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Battles » Master Roshi vs Hercule

Master Roshi would destroy him. Even minus energy attacks he is much stronger and faster. He defeated then contended with kid Goku there's no way Hercule could even contemplate that.

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Battles » Yamcha(Cell Saga) + Tien(Buu Saga) VS Frieza

I like Tien but he is overrated on these type of forums. There isn't much proof that there was any significant difference at all between him and Yamcha in terms of fighting power. They were both able to combat the Cell-Juniors to a small extent but largely got their asses handed to them.

Tien did hold back semiperffect Cell but didn't damage him at all whilst amost killing himself, the fact that he was even able to hold him back was more due to the nature of the technique than his own power. Also Roshi instructed both Tien and Yamcha not to intervene on Piccolo's behalf as he knew neither of them could touch the androids far less semi-perfect Cell. It baffles me as to why people say Yamcha is so useless when Tien is much the same.

Having said that I think they'd have a chance. Past bad guys in Dbz tend to get given zero-credit, Frieza's showing against Trunks, Gohan (Janemba movie) and Pikkon more than suggest he's no longer to be taken serously. (albeit 2 out of 3 filler I think) Trunks stated that the androids were stronger than him who as he had just proven was far more powerful than Frieza. Inspite of this Tien and Yamcha both still turned up for the fight, which would lead me to believe that they had developed their power to the extent that they thought they could make a difference against such big powers.

The humans always tend to be two steps behind Goku and one behind Piccolo and the other Saiyans but post-Frieza these all made such remarkable increases that to even remain even the tiniest bit relevant Yamcha and Tien would jave to have improved dramatically. Tien is also a very heavy trainer and in 7 years post Cell could have boosted his power level considerably. I think they'd take it and if not would get to at least 50% final form.

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Battles » Goku End of z vs Mystic Gohan

@mypasswordis1234: My thoughts exactly.

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Battles » Goku End of z vs Mystic Gohan

@ReiKai: Of course he made a tremendous leap in Otherworld he went from being unbale to beat Cell, who was roughly the same strength as Dabura to being able to contend with Kid Buu, that's an astronmical leap. Achieveing ssj3 was also kind of a big leap saying as noone else ever managed it. Two out of the three of Gohan's big increases came through power ups, whilst in the hyperbolic time chamber he was only able to progress to such a large extent through Goku's rigorous training and knowledge. There is zero proof that Gohan would have continued to train post-Buu, he'd probably be weaker 10 years on whilst Goku would be much stronger, going by his previous training jumps double his Buu saga strength at the least.

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Battles » Goku End of z vs Mystic Gohan

@ReiKai: It's hardly an 'absurd level of speculation', it's behavioural analysis based on solid fact. Goku has been proven to consitently train and to make amazing increases in doing so, his period in Otherworld post-Cell is proof of that. Gohan by contrast as you said has shwon that he doesn't enjoy fighting or training and thus tries his best to avoid it. Even accounting for a modest increase by Goku's standards he'd easily be able to surpass Mystic Gohan after a decade.

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Battles » Goku End of z vs Mystic Gohan

I'm not saying Uub was equal in power with Kid Buu at that point but he would obviously still have had a massive amount of power, which Goku didn't have to go past base tp handle. Piccolo didn't enter because he knows he has no realistic chance of winning, if Gohan knew he was more powerful than his father I can't see why he wouldn't enter.

Gohan has grown up as a scholar rather than a fighter, it is heavily suggested that he devotes the lions-share of his time to his studies as he did post-Cell. Goku on the other hand has been proven to make huge leaps in power through even the shortest period of training. For those saying he has no challenges remaining to motivate him he would have the desire to surpass his son as well as the excitement of measuring up against Buu reincarnate.

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Battles » Goku End of z vs Mystic Gohan

@xlab3000: The manga doesn't state the PL's at the end of Z, 10 years after Buu though. Goku fights an admittedly unexperienced but angry Uub whilst in base and matches him, suggesting a very significant power increase, whilst Gohan doesn't even enter the tournament.

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Battles » Android 17 vs Goten and Trunks

If they fuse they romp it if not I think 17 would probably have the edge. He was stronger than Vegeta and future Trunks before they ascended and Goten and Trunks are just regular SSJ1's with far less battle experience than Vegeta/FT.

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Battles » Goku End of z vs Mystic Gohan

@Supreme Marvel: There's no evidence to suggest that Gohan would train in the 10 year gap though. He didn't in the Cell/Buu gap with Vegeta even commenting he had become weaker. He also didn't eneter the tournament at the end of Z again suggesting he has no real passion for fighting and wouldn't train. Goku by contrast has been shown to train constantly fuelled by his passion for fighting.

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Battles » Goku End of z vs Mystic Gohan

@DBZ_universe: Cell had more techniques but Goku has still proven himsekf to be far more intelligent and resourceful in battle, his only real rival in that field is arguably Piccolo. Given 10 years training time post-Buu I think Goku would be stronger regardless but even if he fell slightly short power-wise he'd find a way against a character who has tremendous natural power but doesn't have the mentality of a fighter. He's beaten enemies like Frieza, Piccolo and Buu with a lower power form the outset there's no reason why he wouldn't do the same to Gohan.

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Battles » Goku End of z vs Mystic Gohan

@DBZ_universe: He could've did that against either Cell or Super-Buu and didn't manage it. Gohan has a history of losing to people weaker than him through a lack of natural fighting intuition/cutting edge, he doesn't have the mentality and has never fought anyone as skilled or resourceful as his father.

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Dragon Ball » Were the Androids really that evil?

When Trunks comes back from the future he speaks of machines of pure evil, who basically wipe out all civilisation on earth. We see this is true in his own timeline through his flashbacks and the History of Trunks movie special.

Yet when the present timeline androids actually arrive they don't seem to do an awful lot wrong. They want to kill Goku of course but don't really kill anyone else unless they can help it even sparing police officers etc who challenge thems lives as well as a lot of the Z fighters. Indeed they were't even interested in fighting anyone minus Goku with the Z fighters being the ones constantly attacking them and being allowed to live to tell the tale. 17 even tries to persuade Piccolo to leave during their own battle saying he doesn't want to hurt him and appears to show genuine concern for him during their battle with Cell.

To me they seem more preoccupied with having fun and just enjoying being alive than doing any serious damage in the present timeline. The fact that the Z fighters allow 17 to just wander unattended after they are restored to life supports the view that perhaps they were never really much of a malevolent threat on a large scale a least. Some people would argue that after a while they may have gotten bred and turned to killing for their amusement thus becoming the monsters in Trunk's timeline but I doubt it.

What do you guys think, evil or not?

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