Dartz (Level 6)

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Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » LIFE VS DEATH

@Levance: I don't think OP was thinking about GER, that wouldn't be fair. But anyway, Giorno still wins since he has a Stand, which, even if Shiki is able to see it and it's lines, he is not fast enough to keep up with it. Now GE might not be as fast and strong as The World and Star Platinum, but it's speed is still A, so it can easily blitz Shiki on close range.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Name a character able to defeat Ryougi Shiki

I am not sure. She does seem to have some restrictions aside from being limited by her human capabilities, too bad the author never elaborated on this. But apparently, she can't create matter with her imagination, as this conversation from one of the Type Moon drama CDs seem to suggest:

Arcueid: Hmm, so what about you Ryougi? Do you like the world of Fate?

Shiki: Not in particular, Mikiya isn't there. Sure my wishes will be granted but don't wishes get granted normally?

Arcueid: Uh, um, how direct.

Saber: Well, that would be because you're God to be blunt. You wouldn't know the pain of those without.

Shiki: Don't make such a stupid analogy. I'm nothing. The stupid woman over there doesn't have any limits. She can make a castle just by her imagination you know?

Arcueid: I've got a lot of restrictions too though. Oh, so it looks that way to you two, well, the most practical one is Saber though.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Accelerator vs Shiki Ryougi

@Levance: Accelerator in angel mode travelled 9000 kms (to the Star of Bethlehem) in mere seconds. Even with self-sugestion he far outclasses Shiki in terms of speed. IIRC, Kakine's wings were stated to be hypersonic as well.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Accelerator vs Shiki Ryougi

@MisterShin said:

Accelerator Blitz Shiki

Yeah, I agree with this. Unless this is the same Shiki that went up against Arcueid in MBAA, then I don't see her reacting to Accelerator's speed.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Accelerator vs Shiki Ryougi

@Levance: Yeah definitely.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Accelerator vs Shiki Ryougi

@Levance: She never killed distance. I already explained you how it happened in the novels. Void Shiki doesn't kill the universe or whatnot. She is connected to the Root/" " and then recreates the world by messing with cause and effect/creation.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Accelerator vs Shiki Ryougi

@Levance: Where is she going to cut that? She needs to be able to touch what she needs to kill, and abstract concepts such as speed don't have a form. It's like trying to kill the future. And I guess Accelerator wins if he can really shoot his wings at mach 20 (it's like a normal human trying to dodge a gun, even if you know the bullet's path, it's useless without the ability to dodge it).

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Shiki Ryougi vs Shiki Tohno vs Shiki Nanaya

@Levance: Everything in Type Moon wikia needs to be taken with a big spoon of salt and then some. Use fuyuki instead

Or if you can read Japanese, use Jonnobi and Tsukihime lab.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Shiki Ryougi vs Shiki Tohno vs Shiki Nanaya

@Dream said:

Ryougi Shiki gets the win here. Her version of the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception allows her to "kill" concepts such as distance and destroy spells, as well as not causing her any strain from prolonged use like Nanaya and Tohno's versions. All three are about on par with one another in speed, but Ryougi's MEoDP is far more versatile with how she can dispatch the two split personalities.

She never killed distance in the novels.

@Levance said:

It seems like one of my previous threads.

In my top five of most poweful characters, Ryougi is in first place, so I'm betting for her.

Tohno's eyes causes him pain, and also, he's almost all time trying to avoid conflict, so to a serial fucking killer like nanaya is easy prey

Ryougi doesn't want to kill, in fact the only one here with murderous intentions is probably nanaya

But, both, tohno and nanaya cannot kill any concept beyond physical or energy matters. So against a trained fighter with quick reflexes and perfect eyes able to kill all kind of concept like Ryougi, they are lost.

Nanaya is stated to be as quick as Ciel, so the faster here is Nanaya, but he'll probably attack Tohno first, because he will want to rid of his weaker side.

Ryougi won't kill anyone (maybe), but she may mutilate Nanaya's body, destroying the concept that joins his arms or legs by tracing the lines, however I don't belive she will attack this way Tohno.

Ryougi equipped with Kasenada Kuji, is with self suggestion and the third personality, in this way she is practically able to kill reality, also, one of her eyes can see the future while the other one can see the path to achieve that future, So she practically owns both quickly.

In resume, Tohno is fucked here, Ryougi will own Nanaya with her katana, and end of the story

Nanaya is never stated to be as fast as Ciel, that was half-vampire Shiki. Also where was it stated that Ryougi's eyes have additional properties that allow her to see the future (unless it was stated somewhere in Mirai Fukuin), and normal Ryougi never shows any precognition. Anyway, if Ryougi's third personality is allowed, then I guess she wins, as the author stated that she is the second strongest character in his major works.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Ryougi Shiki vs Tohno Shiki (Nanaya)

Well, half-vampire Shiki was stated to be as fast as Ciel. Then again, Third Shiki managed to speed blitz a bullet-timer like Araya (although he might have been caught off guard). Also, Third Shiki never killed distance in the novel, that was a misconception caused by the movies. However, she has precognition, as shown (in the novels) when Araya teleported from the bulding to the ground, and she jumped from the twelfth floor of the building and landed on top of Araya (slashing him from the shoulder down to the waist with her knife) just as he finished with the teleportation.

I'd give it to Ryougi. Even if their speed is roughly on the same level, her precognition and reality altering powers give her a massive advantage. Plus, even if excluding Servants, Nasu ranked her as the second strongest character in his major works.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » DEFEAT HIM!

@cfatalis: Yeah, Shiki is talking about Princess Arc. Translation goes like:

RS: What the.....I can't see your death isn’t the problem, no, you have no death.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » DEFEAT HIM!

She has no concept of death.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Goku, Vegeta, & Trunks SSJ4 verses Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

@DJSNuva1 said:

@Dartz: SSJ4 Goku was cut by glass.

@MohsinMan99 said:

This isn't even up for debate as to who wins.

When did that happened?

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Goku, Vegeta, & Trunks SSJ4 verses Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

I don't think it's that one-sided. It required an universal Spirit Bomb to defeat Omega Shenron, and SS4 Gogeta was playing around with him. He could have easily killed him if he would have gotten a bit serious. IMO the DB team might have a chance if they combine to form Gogeta, though they only have a couple of minutes.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Goku, Vegeta, & Trunks SSJ4 verses Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

Isn't SS4 Gogeta's power on universal scale? IIRC all the powers of the universe were required to defeat Omega Shenron, and Gogeta was easily overpowering him until the time of the fusion ran out.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Accelerator (ToAru) vs Jack Rakan (Negima)

@willyvereb: So you are saying the technique is just more useful against demons/spirits? Fair enough, I stand corrected.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Accelerator (ToAru) vs Jack Rakan (Negima)

@willyvereb: So your statement only relies on assumption? And you know, it contradicts what we know. ZNnT is the ultimate excorsistic technique, it's a method of cutting down evil spirits without harming the possessed. It's stated in the manga that the reason it works against Negi, is because in his lighting form he is the same as an high-tier lighting "demon".

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Accelerator (ToAru) vs Jack Rakan (Negima)

@willyvereb: Of course I did

Zanmaken Ni-no-Tachi (斬魔剣・弐の太刀, "Evil-Cutting Sword, Second Strike") Ougi, cuts a demonic spirit behind a person without injuring the person.

After all Zanmaken (斬魔剣), means demon-cutting sword. So in this case the burden of proof is on you. Show me where it says it can cut normal humans.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Accelerator (ToAru) vs Jack Rakan (Negima)

@paladin:Sigh, I said it before and I'll say it again, it's stated that technique only works against demons/spirits (and people with demon-like powers). We have no reason to believe it works against humans with ESP powers.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Accelerator (ToAru) vs Jack Rakan (Negima)

@Dream: Yeah, seems like his Black Wings only activate once he is badly wounded/pushed over the limit. See also his battle against Aiwass.

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