Dartz (Level 6)

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Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Ichigo vs Gilgamesh vs Sephiroth

@Dream said:

In the game, Gil was able to block multiple slashes from Excalibur using only the hands of his armor when necessary to fend off attacks aimed at his head.

True.

Have any pictures or video of Seph destroying Shinra? Can't recall this little moment.

Here, at 4:23 he makes the top of the building fall with telekinesis, then at 4:32 he swings his sword at it making the portion of the building become debris.

The barriers would be screwed against Ea considering Gil was able to destroy Iskander's Reality Marble with it and can open dimensional rifts with its power output. Durability would mean jack squat as well against any anti-magic Noble Phantasm or Gae Bolg from Gate of Babylon.

Ah, yes, they would certainly be useless against Ea. And Sephiroth doesn't have anything that can defend against something of that magnitude. That's why I believe Sephiroth's advantage lies in his speed (specially taking his teleportation into account) and strength. He has enough speed/reactions and power to defend against GoB sword rain without much problems, though; GoB sword rain is a very inefficient way of using Noble Phantasms, as he isn't tapping into their full potential.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Ichigo vs Gilgamesh vs Sephiroth

@Dream: Actually, Saber was able to pierce Gil's armor with regular slashes during the battle at the bridge, but the armor was capable to regenerate damage. Now, Sephiroth's casual slash at the falling top of the Shinra building is above city-block level, so I doubt Gil's armor can tank an Octaslash or more than a couple of Sephiroth's sword swings.

As for durability, Sephiroth has his barriers. The one at the Northern Crater was able to temporarily resist an energy blast from the Sister Ray at Junon, even when powered by Midgar's reactors. That's above town-level, considerably so.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Ichigo vs Gilgamesh vs Sephiroth

@Fehafare said:

@Dartz: It wouldn't be any different if it wasn't equal.

I think it would, since Sephiroth's speed and strength are enough to one-shot Gil. And depending on the starting distance Sephiroth might be able to blitz him. I just don't see Gil dealing a teleportation + Octaslash combo.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Ichigo vs Gilgamesh vs Sephiroth

Well, since strength and speed were equalized, Gil should take this.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Iskander (Fate/Zero) VS Letzte Bataillon (Hellsing)

To hurt a Servant you need to have an Spiritual Rank. This was explained by Rin. Non-human blood helps with this, which is why the likes of Kouma (he is not an spirit, but he is mostly Oni) as well as Dead Apostles are able to fight against them. So if the vampires have Alucard's blood they should be able to hurt them.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Broly vs. Super android 17

Though he still withstood physical hits from Vegeta, Goten, Trunks and Majuub by just standing there doing nothing at all, before they resorted to firing energy blasts.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Touma Kamijou vs Shiki Tohno

Even normal Tohno Shiki should win. He dodged Satsuki's arm swing who was stated to be as fast as a bullet, with ease. His Nanaya genes also makes him much more physically fit than a regular person.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Get Through My Battle Tower!!

How about Arcueid. At 30% power.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Goku vs Porno Diane

@GoodGamerSambo: Well, to be fair, a case can be made to prove that Goku has FTL reflexes if you're allowing powerscaling (I've seen a very good argument from hitsusatsu11 on this site). It was mainly based on Piccolo's energy blast that destroyed the moon.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Arcueid vs Lain

Well, if Lain can rewrite the Earth, then she should win. Ciel claims Arc as Archetype Earth can do things like melt the ice of the poles, shift continents and disrupt the Earth's axis. But the best thing she has done is summon the world from 1000 years into the future and stop the Earth's rotation, both of which don't really do much here. The only chance I think Arc might have is to use her Golden Eyes to try and erase her memories, but that's only if she has knowledge of her opponent's abilities.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Three Man Team Gauntlet

@Fehafare:Well, I guess. It's just that, as taichokage mentioned before, it is kinda hard to find three characters that could get past the other rounds (round 3 in particular, since it requires characters that could deal with FTL physical attacks and timestop) and not easily beat the HST.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Three Man Team Gauntlet

@Dr_Ventum: Polnareff's Stand (Silver Chariot). Well, it was shown when he injured The Hanged Man while it was switching from a reflective surface to another. The Hanged Man is capable of switching between reflective surfaces at the speed of light. IIRC Silver Chariot is stated to be one of the fastest Stands in the series although it's strength is not comparable to that of Star Platinum.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Three Man Team Gauntlet

@Dr_Ventum:Uh, sorry about that, meant to say round 3.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Three Man Team Gauntlet

Hmm, this is tough. Mainly because there are 2 FTL fighters in round 2. I guess Jack Rakan, Vanilla Ice and Arcueid would be a good choice. That team seems to have just the right amount of power and versatility to clear it.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Gabriel (ToAru) vs Pyron (Darkstalkers)

@MisterShin:I see, thanks for the clarification. I had forgotten (or didn't pay enough attention to it) there weren't any stars in the sky.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Gabriel (ToAru) vs Pyron (Darkstalkers)

@MisterShin: I have a question. Is it ever clearly explained how Gabriel's celestial body control exactly works? Besides in the first 22 volumes. It's just that most people really think Gabriel can, say, destroy the Earth by making a planet or a star collide with it. But unless she can increase the speed of celestial bodies to several times the speed of light, it wouldn't work, considering the planet closest to Earth when they are both in the same part of their orbits is Venus, and the minimum distance between them is still 25.5 million miles. I mean, I know that she made a magic array with the stars in the sky and turned the evening sky into night, but that doesn't require FTL movement for the celestial bodies, and it of course doesn't mean she can made other planets collide with the Earth (not in the span of a few seconds anyway). Because otherwise, saying that she can make planets move at FTL speed would be a pretty bold claim if there is no actual proof to back up that argument.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Berserker (FSN) vs Shiki Nanaya

@paladin said:

@Dartz: Fuyuki doesn't contain every bit of info for the Nasuverse. Visit Beast's Lair and ask for the interview in which Nasu states that: 1.) Tohno Shiki cannot kill Servants.2.) Ryougi Shiki would die from the ensuring prana explosion if she would attempt to kill the Servants. Really, I thought you were a long-time Nasuverse fan. The fact T. Shiki is unable to kill a Servant and the "prana bomb" made quite an uproar amongst the fans about 2 years ago. People were constntly speculating why Shiki can kill Arcueid yet die from trying to understand a Servant's existence. We came to two conlcusion: 1.)lolNasu 2.) Servants are the proxy of the Heroic Spirits. Said Heroic Spirits are fighting in the infinite parallel universes at once. So understanding their existence means also being able to comprehend the complex existence of a Heroic Spirit.

Well, I am a fan since 2008, and I have never seen the source for that claim. Was it in one of the Character Material/Fate books, or a direct interview with Kinoko? I mean, it would be strange, since if Kinoko really said that Shiki can't see death on Servants because he'll fry his brain, then there wouldn't be any more debates in major TM forums whether he can actually kill them or not. This is the speculation from the fuyuki wiki, and it's the most widely accepted theory:

38. As said in the game, Shiki can't see lines on things that can't be killed (destroyed) in the modern world. This is because the basis of the eyes of Shiki, a human being, work in proportion to the limits of modern humanity. Which means, Servants = unkillable by modern weapons (yes, Kinoko said that himself) = either no lines seen in normal cases (unless he pushes himself or reaches the point of being accustomed to the death of anything - still have the form of living beings so shouldn't take that much time if any) or number and thickness are less and not so easy to affect. Servants = materialized spiritual bodies = concepts about a thousand years or older = not so easy to kill; slashing one line doesn't ensure immediate effect. An easily breakable image that's been developed from human ideals images for some 2000 or more years probably would cause some penalties. Dots, as always, are insta-death - I'm not saying that Shiki can't kill them, I'm saying that just slashing a non-head line may not mean much during actual combat, especially those with the Battle Continuation skill. Best bet would try to look for openings for a dot strike while buying time (a stronger better version of Harpe with penalties). Noble Phantasms at the very least should be as formidable as Araya's Busshari.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Berserker (FSN) vs Shiki Nanaya

@paladin: Well, whether Shiki is able see death on Servants or not is still moot, and neither side can be completely proven wrong. But where does that mana-bomb statement come from? I have seen it flying around for some time now, but it isn't on the fuyuki wiki, which isn't a good sign.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Berserker (FSN) vs Shiki Nanaya

Well, it really doesn't seem like it has anything to do with the fact that she was using a portion of her power to control her bloodlust. It's just that she is only immortal during nighttime, when the concept of death isn't there.

Also, Nanaya isn't adept at killing concepts, but he can still kill them, just like Ryougi can also kill living beings. He killed Wallachia's rumors, which where really just words. And it really depends on what he is looking for. He obviously can't kill the original soul in the Throne, since it's outside time and space. But I believe he should be able to see lines on Servants with some strain. The only limitation to Shiki's eyes is not what technology can kill but what in the modern world can kill which includes magi.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Berserker (FSN) vs Shiki Nanaya

@Dream: Actually, theren't isn't much of a difference between the eyes, but Nanaya is just better fitted at killing living beings while Ryougi is better with concepts.

Kinoko: It's not quite so much the eyes, but how (R) Shiki perceives things that has a large effect on her powers. First, Mystic Eyes and brains work as a set. For example, Tohno Shiki from "Tsukihime" normally can't cut concepts like Shiki does, but that's because the specs of the Mystic's Eye's user's brain is different. Tohno Shiki isn't suited in the aspect of recognizing "concepts". (Ryougi) Shiki touched " " and became specialized in the visualization of events, while (Tohno) Shiki became submerged in death and became specialized in killing living things. By the way, Asagami Fujino's Mystic Eyes also work the same way. In her case, she can't twist things that she recognizes as not being twistable.

And Shiki doesn't have trouble seeing a time of death on True Ancestors during the day, despite being spiritual entites with physical bodies just like an Heroic Spirit. Also, Servants tainted by Angra Mainyuu like this version of Berserker can't go into spirit form. But still, Shiki still loses here, but it shouldn't be because he can't comprehend his death.

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