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Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Gilgamesh vs DT Yusuke

@CerusSerenade:If you don't like my translation, you can check it here http://pastebin.com/7SJfJ0QN

Enuma Elish (The Star of Creation That Split Heaven and Earth)

Gilgamesh's final Noble Phantasm which reveals creation--the beginning of everything.

The severing of space which comes from the Sword of Rupture, Ea, the sword crowned with the name of a god from Mesopotamian mythology.

The god, Ea, is believed to be the quasi-deification of the power of the planet which turned, smashed, and stabilized the surface of the earth when it was still covered in gas and seas of magma, during the primordial stage of the earth.

Many gods began building nations after the the primordial earth was stabilized into a world where living creatures could live, but Ea is a god who performed the act of building of planet before that.

Gilgamesh's sword, which is crowned with Ea's name, changes space itself by agitating space-time through the rotation of three layers of giant power fields.

It's true power is not something to be used against a single living creature but against the world. Even among the many Noble Phantasms possessed by Servants, it is one considered to be at the top, the sword "which tore apart the world."

So please stop claiming they are galaxies, since it's blatantly wrong.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Gilgamesh vs DT Yusuke

They ain't galaxies. Again, they are force fields.

Matrix Keyword 01: Enuma Elish

エアの名を冠したギルガメッシュの剣は、

三層の巨大な力場を回転させることで時空流を起こし、

空間そのものを変動させる。

It says "the rotation of the three gigantic Force Fields distort space itself, influencing the flow of space-time".

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Gilgamesh vs DT Yusuke

@SpeedForceSpider: Even if you don't accept the mach 45 reactions, which you should because is as legit as it gets, there is no way in hell Yusuke can speedblitz when the starting distance is 20 meters. He needs to be a few meters away from him to speedblitz a mach 15 charactes if his speed is mach 30. Not a great distance.

Also, Ea might not be a galaxy buster, since those things are force fields not galaxies, however, it was still able to destroy a space (with planets included) that was several hundred if not thousand light years in size.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Dante vs Cloud vs Gilgamesh

@CerusSerenade:It's just that his Matrix states they are three big force fields. But yeah, he wins regardless.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Dante vs Cloud vs Gilgamesh

Those aren't galaxies though, they are Force Fields. And Type Moon is around or maybe above DBZ with CCC for now no doubt about it. The playable Servants being FTL and BB and Kiara are way too hax. BB for example created a whole imaginary space that's at least several hundred light years in size and can manipulate matter on an atomic level as well as rewrite cause and effect. And the best thing is that she did all this by borrowing the authority of the Earth Mother (Archetype Earth's authority) or maybe something even lesser since it mentions a Primordial Goddess (Çatalhöyük)) that branched into the other Earth goddesses, and gods are below Types in the hierarchy.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Saber vs Goku

@Dream: Fate/Extra top tiers are FTL though, I think Whis, Bills and SSG Goku are around that level too, but I'm pretty sure the former are faster considering they traveled 400+ light years distance within few minutes. Kanata from DDD comes close too. BB's Potnia Theron Skill (which is the authority of the Earth itself), gives her the ability to distort time by interfering with gravity fields, rewrite cause and effect and write over information of fields such as luck and coincidence. Then you got Kiara who is stronger than BB. All Types including Archetype Earth (being living planets) should be at least on par or above BB by powerscaling.

DBZ characters might have the power advantage for now but they don't have defenses against this kind of reality warping as far as I know.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Dante vs Cloud vs Gilgamesh

@Dream:Saber, Caster and Archer all were able to cross that distance though. The first two were able to accomplish it under their own power.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Dante vs Cloud vs Gilgamesh

@supernova7005: You first got to explain how can Cloud match someone who is FTL. Lighting timer is still nothing. Until then Gilgamesh solos this.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Dante vs Cloud vs Gilgamesh

@supernova7005:What is gameplay mechanics? The text I posted is a feat of Gilgamesh flying through conceptual space at FTL speeds, it's a clear feat that happened outside the battle and is so clear it doesn't need a calculation nor is there any way to deny it. As for BB taking action and moving Shinji, Gatou and Julius within a timeframe of 0,00001 seconds before the Moon Cell could erase them, that's also something that happened, the text I posted it's merely describing the event. Or do you mean Gilgamesh being able to fight BB is gameplay mechanics? By that logic any fight in FF is gameplay mechanics, but in actuality it's clear that the main characters need to be capable of fighting the bosses otherwise the story wouldn't advance.

The only thing that's gameplay mechanics in my post is BB having a ✰ for stats. And Enuma Elish smashing through galaxies in the video, and maaaybe Kiara f*cking the Earth (though that's probably something that she can do). I am not using that as evidence nor do I need to. What you need to be focusing on are the two feats that put Gilgamesh leagues above FFVII characters in terms of speed. So anyway, Gil takes this.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Dante vs Cloud vs Gilgamesh

@supernova7005: And Gilgamesh in his true form as Heroic Spirit is FTL. Kiara flung him to the edge of the galaxy (it was conceptual space like in Gurren Lagan, but it was still stated to be 404, or 8004, can't remeber at the moment, light years away from where he previously was).

殺生院キアラ「っ―――!

そんな、あなたは確かに、

銀河の果てに飛ばしたのに・・・・・・!

概念宇宙であれ、一瞬で

詰められる距離ではありません!

光より早く飛んできたとでも?」

ギルガメッシュ「馬鹿め、我が宝物に

光の船がないとでも思ったのか?

我は古典も愛でるが最新にも理解はある。

Sesshouin Kiara

That's, even though you were flung to the edge of the galaxy......!

Even if this is a conceptual space, you shouldn't have been able to cross that distance in an instant!

How were you able to fly faster than light?

Gilgamesh

What an idiot, did you thught I wouldn't have a ship of light among my treasures?

Just because I like the classics doesn't mean I don't keep up with recent developments.

BTW, the same thing happens with Archer, Caster and Saber. And at least Saber is able to cross that distance under her own power.

BB wasn't even faster than Gilgamesh as the later was able to fight her on equal level. And BB has an ✰ (note that even Ex for stats is considered to be unmeasurable, and this is above it) for all her stats including agility. As for feats she has reactions of 0.00001 seconds, and again, Gil fought her equally:

Matou Shinji, Gato, Julius were moved to imaginary space 0.00001 seconds before the firewall would have destroyed them after they were defeated, prolonging their flash of life.

So yeah, based on this Cloud isn't speed blitzing anyone here, quite the opposite actually.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Dante vs Cloud vs Gilgamesh

Servants in their "true form" in F/E CCC are shown to be FTL. Kiara flicks them away to the other side of the galaxy and they come back within moments. The distance between the core of the Moon Cell and the place they were thrown to was 404 light years.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Archetype earth vs Arceus

Wasn't Arceus taken down by a meteor?

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Goku SSJ3 Vs Archetype Earth And End Yusuke Demon Mode

Sigh, please read the explanation on the previous page. The connection to Gaia cannot not exist because Archetype Earth = Earth/Gaia's brain/mind. Even in neutral ground Gaia needs to be considered because Archetype and Gaia aren't separate entities. Would it help if I posted scans with translations from the game and her official profile?

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Goku SSJ3 Vs Archetype Earth And End Yusuke Demon Mode

@Dream said:

And as I covered earlier, the backup would be worthless here since Goku's destructive potential surpasses what power Gaia could supply to Arcueid to counter it.

Well, we have never seen Archetype going all out. There is also a character in a Type Moon story (called DDD) that can move FTL and destroy planets with physical blows and Nasu has stated Arc is stronger than her. But then again, lol Nasu.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Goku SSJ3 Vs Archetype Earth And End Yusuke Demon Mode

@Dream:Hm, no. Please read the explanation on the previous page. Archetype Earth is explicitly stated to be the Brain of the Planet in her profile, and she refers to the Earth as her body and the planet's atmosphere as her limbs in her story scenario. The Arcueid that lacked a carefree personality from centuries ago was nothing like Archetype, since as you can see in Kagetsu Tohya, Archetype has the personality of Crimson Moon. In fact Archetype Earth = Arcueid's Crimson Moon aspect from Kagetsu Tohya.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Lancer (Fate/Zero) vs The Captain (Hellsing)

He has more than enough speed and strength. The mere wind genereted by his slashes cuts through doors of steel.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Lancer (Fate/Zero) vs The Captain (Hellsing)

Lancer should take this. Gae Buidhe denies regeneration. Plus Heroic Spirits are used to handle monsters.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Goku SSJ3 Vs Archetype Earth And End Yusuke Demon Mode

@TheNeutralOne: Archetype Earth is an aspect of Arcueid Brunestud (who was created by the strongest kind of spirits called True Ancestors) (Earth's defense force)). In her profile she is referred to as the Brain of the Planet (星の頭脳体), in her ending she also mentions that it's meaningless to destroy her limbs because they are the limbs of an incarnation and her true limbs are the planet's atmosphere. Archetype Earth lives within Arcueid's subconscious and only shows up when the later is asleep (she says it's like sleepwalking). Her ability allows her to manipulate nature on a planetary scale, among her best feats would be that time when she stopped the Earth's rotation with an order and when she created a planet-sized dimension with a thought; in the original Melty Blood when she summoned the Earth from 1000 years into the future along with the moon. You can read (if you know Japanese) her scenario here:

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Goku SSJ3 Vs Archetype Earth And End Yusuke Demon Mode

@TheNeutralOne: You need to play Current Code or read her profile in the official website to know this, which is currently untranslated. But Archetype Earth isn't just a being that follows the planet, she is literally the planet itself. It should be assumed that Gaia is included in this case because they are the same entity.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Battles » Goku SSJ3 Vs Archetype Earth And End Yusuke Demon Mode

The youngest among the Six Sister created an enormous rift around the entire planet with her death scream, dividing it in two; an A-Ray, not even an Ultimate One. The remaining Sisters were also able to create a barrier that covered the planet to stall two Ultimate Ones for quite a long time. Now Archetype Earth is by Word of God stated to be equal to Crimson Moon (Type Moon) in power, whom is one of the strongest Ultimate Ones, so she could quite possibly create a barrier around the planet to protect it like the Sisters did. Also, she can make people fall into gaps between the space-time continuum, as she did in her win quote in the 6th stage of her arcade scenario, so conventional durability usually doesn't mean much to her.

Goku is large-planet level by feats/powerscaling, but he is not going to destroy the planet with a casual ki blast. Since Goku's planet busting status is scaled from Kid Buu's Vanishing Ball, which is by far the best feat in DB.

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