this is a spite thread broly is at best ssj3 level vegetto is way over that
Piccolo, Trunks, Vegeta, Goku, Gohan Vs Dabura and Perfect Cell
Piccolo with Kami (fusion)
Trunks - Cell Saga/ Cell games (Ultra Super Saiyan 1)
Vegeta - Cell games
Goku - Full Power Super Saiyan 1
Gohan - Full Power Super Saiyan 1
"@comicfanforever: Just no. Writers of marvel = Real People The One Above All = fictional all powerful character "
Yes, some people think Classic beyoder>> TOAA.
But see my point of view:in the end Beyonder from Secret Wars 2 was defeated. That is the writer (TOAA) defeated Beyonder in his own story. Beyonder has no power over the writers of Marvel (TOAA). The writers of Marvel did Beyonder Omnipotent.
If the writers of Marvel want Beyonder Omnipotent, Beyonder is Omnipotent.
If the writers at Marvel do not want Beyonder Omnipotent, Beyonder is not Omnipotent.
Beyonder has no control over the writers of Marvel. The writers at Marvel have control over Beyonder.
writers of Marvel = The One-Above-All (TOAA)
"@comicfanforever: does GEB+ Presence =primal moniter? "
Presence is like the Classic Beyonder (they are omnipotent, but incomplete / or small omnipotent)
TOAA and Primal Monitor = writers who write the comics.
TOAA = Stan Lee / Jack Kirby, among other writers
writers >>>>> Comics/manga
TOAA/ Primal Monitor >>>> Presence/ Classic Beyonder>>>>>Cosmic Armour Superma/ Lucifer/ .......
" @comicfanforever: i think this is spite dude. "
" @comicfanforever: Then it's clear darkseid wins, though personally i've always preferred and followed thanos more. I was confused on one point though, the source and presence are different correct? Is the presence the true omnipotent or is it Primal Moniter or something. "