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Battles » DoomsDay Vs Espada

Probably Doomsday.
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Battles » lobo vs end of dbz goku


DBZ Goku end? Goku (without the super saiyan form) is in the fight against Uub?    
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Battles » Superboy prime vs Gogeta Super Saiyan-jin 4


Jesus Christ helps us.  The end is near.    
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Battles » Cell and Bojack VS Thor and Beta Ray Bill

@Mortein said:

"@comicfanforever said:  I still think it is a PIS that he was able to hurt someone who can easily survive Galaxy+ busting attacks, or do you think Thor is galaxy buster?  But the main reason why I think Cell wins, is because I think he should be to fast for thor to tag him, and eventually Cell would beat him. "

 
 

You are right on one point - there PIS. But we (the readers) most know how to separate the information. Example: Thor does (mostly) not fight against Hulk at 100% (because Thor like Bruce Banner - and Thor does not hurt a friend).

Thor vs. Iron Man (Thor # 3 2008): Thor was angry with Iron Man (Iron Man made a clone of Thor During the civil war of marvel (2007). Thor wanted to give a lesson, But Thor did not want to kill Iron Man (Reason because Thor Was not fighting with the strength in max). Many Situations, We must  see the personalities of the of the characters. Against beings like Galactus / Surtur / Celestial - Thor uses him max potential.

Yes, Cell has good speed. Due to high speed and regeneration he defeated Goku Super Saiyan 1.    

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Battles » Cell and Bojack VS Thor and Beta Ray Bill

@Mortein said:

"  Celestial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x 1000>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ThorWell I don't know about you, but I think that someone like Glactus or Celestial should be able to kill Thor with one hit, and that everything else is a PIS. Hulk can destroy an asteroid 2x bigger then earth, and yet Spiderman survived his punches many times, does that mean Spiderman has planet+ durability or is it just a PIS? "


The point is simple: Thor can hurt beings like a Celestial or Surtur. If Thor can hurt and give damage to beings like this. What do you think Thor can do to beings like Cell (Cell do not has a 0.0000001 durability of Galactus / Surtur / Celestial).     
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Battles » Cell and Bojack VS Thor and Beta Ray Bill

@Mortein said:

@comicfanforever

said: 
Ok, so Thor can endure super kamehameha from Cell and he can lift more then Cell.
Full powered punch from Cell<< Full powered blast from Cell, which means he could endure easily endure punch from Cell.
 
i don't remember Cell getting KOed, may I see the scan.
Transmutation could work, but Cell cell also have tons of abilities, he has all abilities from Z fighters and frieza, he could multiply him self and move at high speed which would make really hard to tag him. 
Cell could also be able to redirect blasts from Thor, since Tien has that power.
What is the biggest thing God blast destroyed?
Cell was able to teleport himself from afterlife
Thor can most likely lift more then Cell, but that doesn't mean his punches can do more damage. I think Cell can punch much faster then Thor, and the main reason why I think so is because I think they were able to fight at near light speed at the beginning of DBZ, which mean that Cell should be able to fight at massively FTL speed, far beyond Thor. Thors flying speed is 3x speed of light and his fighting speed<<flying speed.
This is the main reason why do I think Cell would win this, I think he could evade Thors attacks and I think that after few hundred punches from Cell thor will fall down. If you disagree with me that DBZ saiyan saga characters were close to light speed, then lets argue about it on this thread  
  http://www.animevice.com/forums/general-discussion/1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/314493/#13  Most of this what I said is only theoretical, but that is just the way I see things, I don't except anyone to embrace my own opinion, but if we go only by pure feats, while completely ignoring abc logic and statements then  Cell is moving at unknown speed He has no quantifiable strength featsCell can't destroy anything bigger then small island "

Bill or Thor kills Cell, because:
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Celestial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x 1000>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cell
 
(the only way to kill a celestial is with power of the Beyonder or the heart of the Universe). 
 
And Cell cant kill Thor or Bill, because: 
 
Blasts from Galactus + Stardust + Supernova >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super Kamehameha Super Perfect Cell.  
 
Bill or Thor durability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SP Cell Kamehameha. 
 
And Bojack is a jobber and  Bojack is kind of useless in this fight. This is basically Bill and Thor against Cell.
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Battles » Cell and Bojack VS Thor and Beta Ray Bill

@taichokage said:

" Sigh, i'm getting tired of spite particularly from Reikai. Everyone here could bust the planet if they wanted to and everyone can survive in outer space, everyone can teleport, fly, blast planet busting blasts, endure them, has well above class 100 strength, etc. Whichever side wins, it isn't a stomp. I wont say who wins because I'll get bashed by one side if i choose the other but everyone stop calling it a stomp. Regardless of who wins it isn't a stomp."


Good Comment, but The fight would be fairer if it was: SS2 Teen Gohan and Super  Perfect Cell. Or Vegeta SS2 SP Cell or SS2 Goku and SP Cell. Bojack is kind of useless in this fight (Bojack and the three henchmen are killed in segudos by SS2 teen gohan).    
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Battles » Cell and Bojack VS Thor and Beta Ray Bill

@Mortein said:

" Well in marvel U everyone can survive attacks form anyone. Thor surviving attack from Galactus or surtur = Spiderman surviving punch from Hulk.   Due to having many writers, long history and many appearances Marvel characters have more high feats then some other characters with less appearances which have less high feats, but they also have less low feats.  Lets assume we have a character A.One writer makes him slow and weak, but durable.second writer makes him faster, weak, and less durable.Third writer makes him slow and less durable, but stronger.  Now, what some people here on AV do, is that they take only high feats from each writer, and create some fanboy version of character which is faster, stronger and more durable.    I do think Thor could be able to endure Cell's full powered attack, but I don't think he'll be able to keep up with Cell's fighting speed, and Cell would beat him. But how is Thor going to kill Cell, since it took a blast which was supposedly above solar system busting to kill him, and I don't remember Thor ever stating he can destroy a solar system? "


1 - No. The power difference is much larger for Galactus. I put the scans of Bill, for displaying what Thor and Bill are on the same level of power and durability . Thor has strength far superior to characters from the DB universe. Thor is durable to survive against Galactus, and Celestial and Surtur (each >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DB universe).  
 
The writers of marvel know that Thor has durability against Galactus, Thor also has against Surtur and Celestial-level - this is called continuity. It was wrong if someone puts up Thor surviving attacks by Sise-neg, Molecule Man (Secret Wars 2 level), Beyonder or Living Tribunal . (Living Tribunal or Sise-neg are much more powerful than Galactus or  Surtur - for example).

2 - Beta Ray Bill is equal to thor. Beta Ray Bill survived the attack by Galactus, Stardust (Stardust is equal in powers and abilities to the Silver Surfer) and survived a Supernova (Supernova>>>> Solar System explosion). Even if you use Cell with Super Kamehameha to destroy the solar system, Bill and Thor will survive. Because:

 
 
Blasts from Galactus + Stardust + Supernova >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super Kamehameha Super Perfect Cell.

 
Cell is not nowhere near the power to destroy Thor or Bill. To destroy Cell, Thor or Bill use: a God Blast.
Thor or Bill can use matter manipulation.
Thor or Bill may use physical force (Thor moved the Midgard serpent - trillions tons). Thor and Bill lift Asgard (after the fight against Super krull) - trillions tons. Cell was put K.O. by two punches of SS2 Gohan (Thor / Bill level of physical strength >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SS2 Teen Gohan Cell Games).

Thor can use his hammer and send Cell to another dimension (Thor did it against Juggernaut - Thor # 431 (1991).      
If I were a writer, I would use God Blast.    

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Battles » Cell and Bojack VS Thor and Beta Ray Bill

   @Mortein said:

"I only said Cell wins, and I didn't explain why do I think he wins, so I'll do it now.
  
I think he should be more powerful then Thor, since Roshi at PL 139 destroyed the Moon which is celestial object big enough to be considered a small planet. This is a fact. Goku SSJ is over 1 000 000x more powerful then Roshi. This is a fact. Cell is incomparably more powerful then Goku SSJ, fact again. 
Also Cell stated he can destroy a solar system, and as far as I know Thor or BRB never destroyed a solar system, and they never stated they can destroy it
So, statement without feat>>no statement and no feat.
 
Speed, I think they had near light fighting speed at the beginning of DBZ, here you can see why do I think so.
http://www.animevice.com/forums/general-discussion/1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/314493/#13   look at my last postSince the beginning of DBZ, they got countless speed power ups,  each new villain was so fast they were unable to touch him, and then they would surpass each one of them. Thats why I think Cell should have massively FTL  combat speed and  thats why I think Cell would be so fast that Thor or BRB wouldn't even be able to touch him.   Also destroying planets by smashing into them have nothing to do with lifting strength, all you need is light speed and planet+ durability. "


The characters of Marvel and DC universes can receive and survive the attacks of the characters without much trouble. 
Lets see: 
 
 
 
 
 
 here: Bill receives a blast from Galactus. Bill survives without problems. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 

                                                                      

Bill survives a Supernova
Bill survives a Supernova

here: Bill survives a Supernova (after the fight against Galactus).  

A supernova has the power of destruction far greater than the explosion of a star / solar system. Cell (super perfect form) states that could destroy the entire solar system (although he has not demonstrated this ability). Even if Cell makes a super Kamehameha, Bill could get ahead and survives (Bill survives a supernova, Bill was very weak physically and Bill survived without a scratch). Bill also could absorb the blast of Cell (Bill can use Stormbreaker).     
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 

Bill can fight on equal terms against Stardunst (Stardunst has all the skills and qualities of Silver Surfer). Look: Bill destroyed an entire planet using only physical force.     
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 

 

 

Bill can overcome the forces of a black hole with no problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

 

Owns   Demonstaff  with the Stormbreaker    -  Demonstaff  is a  reality-altering. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Now, Thor. 
 
Thor VS  Arshiem the Celestial: 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Celestial >>>>>>> ODIN>> Surtur >>>>> Thor 
A Celestial has more power than the entire DB universe. (Only the The Beyonder and Thanos with the Heard of the Universe can cause damage/destroy  to the Celestial.  
  
More Thor: 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 level of physical strength:
 Thor (bill is equal to Thor) moves Midgard Serpent - the Midgard Serpent was applying enough pressure to crush the planet. 
 
Thor level of strength = Beta Ray Bill >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone from DBZ universe.

 

 

 

 

More Thor:

 

VS Surtur:

 
 

 

 
 

 

 
 

Surtur destroys a galaxy to make the Twilight Sword: 
 
Galaxy Billions of stars (+1.000.000.000
  

Super Perfect Cell said it could destroy the solar system (the sun = 1 star). 
  
 
 
 

 
 

 

 
 

   
 

 
 

 
 
 
 
 
Matter manipulation. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I dont think i put more today....Recalling than Bojack (more 3 henchmen - 4 characters) was defeated in seconds by Gohan (SS2). Super Perfect Cell still gave some fight. 
 
Thor and Bill win here.  
 

 
 
    
 
 
 

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Battles » Cell and Bojack VS Thor and Beta Ray Bill

   
 
 Probaly Thor and Bill.
Thor and Bill are physically far superior to Cell and Bojack. Plus, Bill survived a Super Nova (Bill was badly wounded after the battle against galactus).     
 
EDIT: Ilove Bill, here some respect: 
 
Strength: 

 
 

 
Thor and Bill lift  Asgard itself:

 

 

 
 

 
 

==== Blast from galactus.

  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   

 
 



 

 
 


Survives a supernova (Supernova > Solar System )

 

Bill Survies the force of a black hole.
Bill Survies the force of a black hole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
Beta Ray Bill VS Stardust 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 

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Battles » Luffy and Kurosaki Ichigo vs Sasuke and Naruto

@hitsusatsu11 said:

"Lol, Croc was to weak a teammate so give Luffy Ichigo eh? "



 Is Ichigo a bad choise? I think Ichigo can help Luffy .....( my opinion)    
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Battles » Luffy and Kurosaki Ichigo vs Sasuke and Naruto


Luffy and Kurosaki Ichigo    vs Sasuke and Naruto   
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Battles » majin vegeta gauntlet


Stop at number 5.    
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Battles » Heihachi Mishima vs. Happosai


 
Heihachi Mishima for me.    
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Battles » goku runs gauntlet


1. gohan adult at ss2 
2. teen gohan at ss2 
3. majin vegeta 
4. ss3 gotenks 
5. super buu  

 

 

Goku super saiyan 3 level is far above the possibilities of super saiyan 2 level.
Stop at number 5 - I doubt if Goku is able to produce enough power to destroy every piece of Buu. Gotenks SS3 has a higher Ki, but because of his personality, I doubt that gotenks wins the fight.
   

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Battles » Roronoa Zoro and Kurosaki Ichigo Vs Luffy and Kakashi

@FormerCrimsonKing said:

"is ichigo allowed h2? "



if you want to use, you can use. All possibilities can be used.
   
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Off-Topic » What is your favorite villain and monster?

   
What is your favorite villain and monster?
    
 
you can use any monster and any villain.(t.v., manga, anime, comics, real world, legends....) 
 
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