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Battles » 3 disciples, 4 Heavenly Kings, Joa Vs SSJ Goku, Final Form Frieza

@eddz99 said:

Thanks for the suport.

Ok, I put 2 options:

First Battle - The speed of Goku and Freiza is equal to the speed of the Toriko team.

Second Battle - Goku and Frieza have the same speed as they have in the Dragon Ball manga, but they can use chi attacks.

Third option - 4 Heavenly Kings may use OuShoku Bansan for help.

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Battles » 3 disciples, 4 Heavenly Kings, Joa Vs SSJ Goku, Final Form Frieza

3 disciples, 4 Heavenly Kings, Joa Vs SSJ Goku, 100% Final Form Frieza

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Battles » SSJ Gotenks vs SSJ3 Goku

Daizenshuu states it is a multiplier, and Daizenshuu was not written by Akira. The book was overseeing by him, Akira did some sketches and he writes the initial monologue. The book has too many mistakes and there are many contradictions with the manga. I doubt that he had seen studies the details. By the manga, the Super Saiyanis a massive huge huge reserve of energy, but Daizenshuu 7 says it is a multiplier. It could have just as multiplier, but after reading the manga, and see the initial Akira's intention was to be for the Super Saiyan to be a great reserve of energy.

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Battles » SSJ Gotenks vs SSJ3 Goku

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@comicfanforever: Sorry but isn't any logic in your example. Just because Goku trained for "7 years" doesn't mean his SSJ3 is auto superior. Gohan had a short training session and was stronger than everyone. Half Sayians can draw out power easier and quicker than full saiyans. This was stated a few times.

Goku was clearing soiling his pants at the thought of fighting Super Buu, while Gotenks on the other hand, managed to fight decently against him. That speaks for itself.

Also, Goku pointed out pre ROSAT SSJ Gotenks was already going to be stronger than him.

Pre ROSAT SSJ Gotenks 1 is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku (with restricted and not at 100% power) who fought Fat Buu. Goku later admitted that he could defeat Fat Buu, but he decided to leave the job for the boys. So Post ROSAT SSJ 1 Gotenks > SSJ 3 Goku Full Power >/ = Pre Rosat Gotenks SSJ 1 = Fat Buu (before the separation).

Post Rosat SSJ 1 Gotenks is stronger than Goku. The problem is that people see the transformation of Super Saiyan as a multiplier. The transformation of SSJ is actually a huge reserve of energy. Multiplication is the Kaio-Ken. Who mastered the transformation in the best way, has better access to the Super Saiyan energy and CHI, and this user has higher potential than the other user with the same transformation. Here I am not talking about the base of the Saiyans. Logically Base Gotenks> Base Goku.

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Battles » Mount Turtle Vs Madara, Sasuke, Naruto

Mount Turtle Vs Madara, Sasuke, Naruto

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Battles » SSJ Gotenks vs SSJ3 Goku

Gotenks SSJ 1 will never stomps Goku SSJ3. ROSAT Gotenks states than in normal (SSJ 1) state is around Fat Buu level. Plus, when Gotenks turns into SSJ 3 the gap between SSJ 1 and SSJ 3 is less than transfomation for Gokur. Goku took seven years to reach the SSJ 3, Gotenks took 7 days in the ROSAT, the transformation of SSJ 3 for Gotenks is lower than in Goku.

Something like this:

SSJ 3 Goku -100

POST ROSAT Gotenks - 125

SSJ 3 Gotenks - 275 - 300

Gotenks SSJ1 still defeat Goku without major problems.

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Battles » Current Madara, Sasuke, Naruto Vs Straw Hat Pirates, Whitebeard

@Jinbeifan1 said:

Somebody lock it up :P

why? Something wrong or some mistake?

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Post by comicfanforever (432 posts) See mini bio Level 12
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Battles » Acacia Three disciples, 4 Heavenly Kings, Joa VS SSJ 1 Vegetto

Acacia Three disciples, 4 Heavenly Kings, Joa VS SSJ 1 Vegetto (manga version)

Can the Toriko team defeat the most powerful character in the Dragon Ball Manga...

Vol. 20
Vol. 20
Joei
Joei

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Battles » Who is the Strongest person Zebra can beat?

Some dude with power between the country and multi continental level (although under or near planetary level - who knows). The manga only goes half the story, Zebra will have many improvements.

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Battles » Zebra vs Nappa

The problem is reaction speed, Zebra can be somewhat slow.If Nappa goes to a duel of brute force, Zebra wins easily (which Nappa did first against Tien / Piccolo jr / Goku).And the DBZ characters use force in order to do speed with explosives blows, in other words they produce a level in the fist which can be translated in the blast of a destruiction of an island or continete or country. In other words, a Chi attack can destroy a continent, they can put a speeding-exploding attack at the same intensity through the hands and fists.

Strength levels in DBZ are produced in different ways than other comics or mangas (Muscle force is different than normal strength; stength is different than lifting force (e.g. Marvel/DC guys), which is different than speeding-exploding attack - e.g. DBZ).
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Battles » Zebra, Toriko, Tengu Vs Recoome and Zarbon

Zebra, Toriko, Tengu Vs Recoome and Zarbon

Voice Burst
Voice Burst

Main Plot:Toriko Team went to the restaurant and they stole Reconne`s Favorite chocolates.
Reconne was angry and he asked Zabron to go hunting Toriko, Zebra and Tengu.

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Battles » Evil Buu Vs Majin Vegeta and Goku SS2

Evil Buu Vs Majin Vegeta and Goku SS2

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Battles » Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed) Vs Super Janemba

Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed) Vs Super Janemba

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Battles » Hulk VS Perfect cell (BUFF FORM)

The thing is: even if the Hulk has a superior physical strength to the Cell, the Hulk can never touch Cell.

Let`s see: the fight between Trunks and Cell

Here: Cell admits that Trunks has a physical strength and a higher Ki than Cell has in his base Perfect form.

Consider the following situation, Trunks despite his enormous physical strength against Cell, Trunks can never hit a single blow.

Cell confirms that brute force is irrelevant against his super speed.

As I stated before the Hulk's strength is irrelevant against Cell, as Cell can dodge any blow.

Cell can also use Ki attacks from short range, as he did to kill Trunks (see above - the three images). Cell dodge all the blows from the Hulk, then he just puts himself a safe distance and then Cell launched a barrage of short-range attacks or even planetary attacks to the body of the Hulk.

Sure, people may not believe that Cell can destroy a planet. But Frieza can destroy entire planets (admitted by himself), and Cell was recognized by the Z-warriors as a bigger threat than Frieza (see below - the two images please). Moreover, Cell has Frieza`s cells, he got many skills of Frieza. For me Cell has the power to destroy multi-planets, due to the progression of the manga (and threat to Z-warriors), but many users say that Cell can not destroy planets... who knows...maybe popular opinion (just my opinion).

As you can see, Frieza admits that he can easily destroy entire planets and Goku, Krilin and the other Z warriors admit that Cell is much more powerful than Frieza. This was drawn from the Manga (see above) and it is canon of the Dragon Ball universe.

But the user who opened this thread, he never spoke, than we should use only the Manga, I believe that we can also use the anime. If so, the victory is even more easier to Cell.

Let`s see the anime:

In the anime, Cell stopped a giant asteroid with one hand, this puts the Cell`s level of physical strength on the same level of one of the best feats of strength of the Hulk did in the past (actually in the comic, Hulk needed help to stop an asteroid, and it was more a demonstration of durability than just physical strength - you can go to ComicVine, you have the explanation).

Cell used the technique Kienzan in the anime, Cell could use a dam of Kienzans and he could cut the Hulk into slices. Who Knows?

But, "suppose" that Hulk has enough speed to "catch" Cell, even though the Hulk dismembered Cell into pieces, it is still irrelevant, since Cell has regeneration. In other words even if the Hulk has superior physical strength to Cell, Hulk will never "Kill" Cell ,and even if the Hulk "catchs" Cell, he has regeneration. In this case, you would need a lot of Ki to kill Cell, which the Hulk does not have this ability (Ki manipulation) - skill that Gohan had to destroy Cell - the battle is even more difficult for the Hulk.

Cell has always many advantages over the Hulk, and the great advantage that the Hulk has against Cell is his physical force. But Cell has a ton of techniques (Kienzan), abilities (regeneration) and capabilities (faster, telekinesis) that he can beat the Hulk in several ways.

Cell kills the Hulk, if you use the manga or anime (fillers) is irrelevant.

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Post by comicfanforever (432 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Hulk VS Perfect cell (BUFF FORM)

Cell has a greater variety of techniques, skills and abilities that the Hulk. Cell still has a most huge reaction rate than the Hulk and he has a massive manipulation of Ki energy and capable of destroying multi-planets and destruction of short range. Cell wins this fight, because of his destructive capabilities of energy, Ki manipulation and his incredible speed over the Hulk.

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Battles » Luffy Vs Mei TerumÄ«, Raikage, Gaara

Luffy Vs Mei Terumī, Raikage, Gaara

In the first fight you can use the normal/ current version of Luffy.

In the second fight, you can use the Nightmare Luffy version.

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Battles » Majin Vegeta, Goku SS2 Vs SP Cell, Gohan SS2, Dabura, Bojack

Vegeta SS2, Goku SS2 Vs SP Cell, Gohan SS2, Dabura, Bojack

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