@DBZ_universe: exactly momo is far from weak. remember when she went at kira in soul society? i'm sure you do, and it was surprisingly scary
she could easily damage deidara if she got on him
@bigz007: respira may not even effect yamamoto at all, and if so it wouldn't be much of a factor given yama's superior reiatsu. he could arguably no sell the ability
if starrk fought serious, he could perhaps at least damage yama. his cero's are formidable, versitile and a direct hit took out shunsui. yama is more or less hinted to be along the lines of shunsui and ukitake together, more or less. maybe stronger. but still starrk has his wolves, difficult to avoid and they were heavily damageing masked visoreds. they could perhaps damage yamamoto
either way though yamamoto could damage starrk alot more, and in a jiffy
starrks tough, but Gin would take him down. for that mater both Aizen and himself could solo the espada, simply due to having far more potent reiatsu among other things. these two, are really absurdly strong; i mean Ichimaru was punking a scarmask ichigo (you know with the same scarmask that gives him capabiltiies comparable to the H2 dourm that murked ulquiorra) without even trying, calling his mask "fragile". this is someone, at a completely different level than the espada, and the captains for that matter as well. not to mention that Ichimaru, along with Ichigo, could sense hogy evolved Aizens reiatsu, something that the terrific trio of isshin, urahara, and yoruichi could not. he is at least comparable in capabilities to shinigami aizen (kyokau suigetsu is so hax it would be tough for even him to deal with though)
about coco and his imunity to "hundreds of poisons" and his "near lightspeed spears"...perhaps im gonna have to look into this myself
also does this thread feature aizen fighting as a shinigami with kyoka suigetsu, or as a transcendent with hogyaku?
and if it is kyoka suigetsu aizen, the combination of said hypnosis with shinso/kamishini no yari is a pinnacle of lethal combination, regardless
and then theres tousen and his various abilities
but i suppose il have to look into toriko to get a grasp of the portrayal, as respct thread style debating will not fly here
what sucks though is that i dont really care about this at all
if those scans are the best you got for toriko ie pure 'destructive power' (although that guys punch was impressive), than that hardly matters against the likes of just gin, whoms bankai is a pinnacle of 'precision killing'. gin is gonna be attacking with buto renjin from angles at the fighters, and is portrayed as more than fast enough to do this, and aizen, whether this is kyoka suigetsu aizen of hogyakyu aizen, is troublesome. not to mention gin and aizen are tailored made in abilities to battle as a team. and tousen is another factor
of course the kings will be attacking, but its not like the bleach fighters won't be attacking as well, and the bleach fighters have more lethal 'abilities'
torkio seems very much like a more destructive one piece, and AOE is nigh meaningless next to 'precision killing techniques'...although the kings seems to have some badass cqc
but lets leave aizen, kyoka suigetsu, hogyaky, etc out of this...do the kings have any shot if they are hit by gins bankai? be honest with yourself
so for now, this is a "4 heavenly kings vs kamishini no yari" discussion
@colorles: going by your logic aizen and gin should be able to defeat goku right? since it doesnt matter what the other guys can do.
well for one goku is actually durable enough (through blcoking/parying), and has the reactions, to pary gins bankai, similiar to how he paried future trunks' sword attacks when the 'sparred'. kyoka suigetsu would be an issue though, as goku goes not have reiatsu to dispell it (if theirir is a strict equalization rulle here of energis though, then goku, or any being with more 'energy' than aizen, could dispelll it in theory, as 'shinigami battles are battles of reiatsu'...but the character would have to have the skill to actually do this). reagrdless, goku is portrayed with higher physicall 'capabilties', although the bleach charcters have tricky 'abilites'. eithr way, goku could likely kill them with his arsinal and capabilities, rather quicly if his mindset is their as on a physiacl level he is portrayed with higher 'capabilities'
eithr way the is bleach characters vs toriko characters
hold on while i switch to a different site to type this on, cuz this site really sucks with the text lag. but anyways this is bleach characters vs toriko characters, and bleach as a verse has the abilities to destroy toriko verse, and the capabilities of bleach are vastly underestimated due to what seems to be a lack of understanding in how the verse is actually portrayed. anyways you seem to be implying that the four heavenly kings are 'faster' or 'more powerful' than a transcendent aizen? and gin is pretty fast himself, with a bankai that if it pierces any of the 'kings', gin can very well disintigrate them. unless you actually implying that gin cannont 'pierce' them? but anyways, why don't you speak up: give a brief explainable of why you feel the four heavently kings have advantages here
and please don't be snarky with it, just give a very brief explanation, and i'l check through more of the thread while im at it,, gotta type this elsewhere though this place really sucks for typings
actually hold on, i found your other post be back ni miute,im just breezing thoruoghthis place so dont hold it against me i didnt read first page of thread in detail
the kings have more destructive power, aizen has more hax. tosen and gin die instantaneously.
Can you show
Feats that put them above the Trio?
double digit hypersonic speed, mountain busting attack power, and poisononous spears that are nearly the speed of light.
strict number based quantification and brackets really have no place in fictional debate, so please refrain from retorting like a character profile drone
but regardless, bleach characters are portrayed as more than fast enough to likely have advanage here, with gins bankai alone piercing and disintegrating the opposition, especially when combined with aizens kyoka suigetsu; its a combination to kill, and regardless of what the kings can do, its pretty much pointless next to these combined abiilties
and not to even mention tousen...and by the way WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE TPING ON THIS SITE? it takes like a hal an hour to type anything this really sucks
ichigo can fly, spam getsuga tenshou, cupped ginjos cero in his hand like it was childsplay (despite it being portrayed as one of the more powerful ceros yet), and is generally portrayed as fast and ever faster and a character on a seperate plane of existence in comparison to the sentient beings of naruto
"Do these guys even read the manga?"
And I stopped there.
Most people who have experience with DBZ watched the anime as it was far more popular(also because, in the west most watched it as kids and didn't know about the manga)
DBZ (along with a few other animes) had a large part in introducing entire generations in certain areas to anime/manga, although the DBZ manga is hardly 'deep' so its rather unlikely the denizens of OBD as a whole have yet to read the DBZ manga or like, although then again the anime is famous so many just watch the anime. either way, seems OP is 'getting at' that the OBD as a comunity 'reads what they want to read, and if they dont like it they dont ackowledge it'. despite what OBD as a community likes to exclaim, they are known as a community as being rather bias and 'with a sense of acomplishment they speak down to what they dont ackowledge', this does not go well with some other communities
not familiar enough with Duan Yu, an older classic thus eluded me as i tend to read 'newer' and relatively 'underground' things lol, but intristing matchup nonetheless
think i saw a hong kong style movie related to this thoj, seen pretty good amount but alot not 'en entirety' lol, not sure thoj but this novel seems intristing ^ ^
Don't even know who the hell Jack Rakan is (classic obscure character), just posted to say how awesome Naruto's new form is.
What is Jack capable of?
narutos design ehghhg
rakan all day just based on design lol
DBZ puts the 'power' in 'power scaling', and is quite powerful in dis regards
OBDers also have a tendency of ignorance towards how the characters are portrayed in the canon sources
basically they seem to value calcs (although this varies some) and direct displays of AoE destruction, as opposed to killing efficiency and how the characters are portrayed in the canon sources, in addition to a dislike of power scaling. really thoj communities tend to differ (although this varies some), but to ignore how the characters are portrayed in the canon sources in favor of fan oriented hubris (which is conditioned into some of them), and in utter ignorance perhaps even of the existence of the authors 'sway', seems to be the 'de facto mantra' of OBD as a community