Boxer_Joe (Level 10)

“Fighting is what I do, alright? It's all I was ever good at and I'm still good at it - I'm Boxer Joe, the guy who fights! That's what I am.”
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Post by Boxer_Joe (305 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Sajin Komamura vs Kenpachi Zaraki

@hitsusatsu11: 
 They can transfer haki into their attacks like Whitebeard did with quakes, yet Kizaru still could regen.
 
@taichokage:
@Hirako_Fan:

The One Piece part was part of a example that were were getting in to. Anyway, as for Komamura, that spell would have killed or knocked out any other captain short of Yamamoto, but Komamura gets up with only scratches. I doubt Kenpachi would even tank that. How many times has Kenpachi been hacked and slashed? Komamura has only been beaten by the strongest person in the show, while Kenpachi got taken out by mid teir.
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Battles » crimson king & ban vs aokiji, akanui, kizaru, luffy, zoro, marco

@Hirako_Fan:
Yes I read and watched Getbackers,  
 
Again using real world physics in anime does not work, by that logic no getbacker character is light speed because they blinked before the attack, or Bleach character is even sonic speed because they don't make sonic boms whent hey move, come on now, I know you hate One Piece but let's make good argumetns here or leave it to Willyvereb and Hitsusatsu.
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Battles » The Flash (Wally West) VS Goklu End of Dbz


Wally murders Goku without effort.
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Battles » Sajin Komamura vs Kenpachi Zaraki

@hitsusatsu11:
Just like Aokiji was blown up in regulare form and reformed in ice, Apoo has haki I believe.
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Battles » crimson king & ban vs aokiji, akanui, kizaru, luffy, zoro, marco

@Hirako_Fan:
Main characters like supernovas who are importatn to the series are fodder? Wow, I guess Shinji, all the captains and such on bleach are fodder right? No he kicked hawkins at light speed, he controls light, I'm not sure why that alone makes you guys continue to argue this. 
 
Here is some feats fro Luffy:   
    
  And how would they take this?   
  
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Battles » crimson king & ban vs aokiji, akanui, kizaru, luffy, zoro, marco

@Dreamer said:
"LOL!!!! Not To Be Mean Or Anything But The People That Say That Kizaru Dose Not Move A The Speed Of  Light Are Stupid XD, Common People He Is A Logia Fruit User Meaning That He Control 100% Of That Element So That Doesn't Need Any Proof ,If You Have Logic You Will See That If Your %100 Light You Can Move At The Speed Of Light Because Your Light Daaaa Its Like Saying That Enel can control Lightning And Out Of No Wer He Cant make Lighting Or Move As Fast As Lighting (Note: Lighting Moves 1/2 The Speed Of Light) "
That's what I've been trying to say, not that he needs it, 6 against one, so far no one has shown FCK blitzing more thna one person at a time, he can't hurt luffy with anything other than blades and possibly mind attacks, pretty much all six fighters have haki and shields, Kizaru can telleport, Luffy can go above the clouds, so can Kizaru,Aokiji and Marco and attack, Aokiji can instantly freeze the feild, he can arguable win this.
@Hirako_Fan said:
"team GB stomps this.  and it doenst matter how many times people say that Kizaru is lighspeed the fact is that he is not until he proves it in the manga Blitsin a low midtier does not puts him at lightspeed not even close."

He did prove it. Try another argument.
Post by Boxer_Joe (305 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » crimson king & ban vs aokiji, akanui, kizaru, luffy, zoro, marco

@willyvereb said:
"@Boxer_Joe:

That doesn't work such way.
As I said character claims mean little if it contradicts with the feats. I can say that I run at FTL speeds, no one would believe me. Same way, there's no proof of Kizaru moving at speed even approaching the light. He's very fast indeed but we have a number of counterproof to make his statement of lightspeed false. You are gasping to the straws here

 Sure it does in One Piece, you are once again comparing your real life scenario with that of fiction, of course no one would believe you, you are a normal human with no powers or anything, however if you absolutly controled light and all it's properties and then proceeded to run so fast no one could even see you even without blinking then sure, that is what Kizaru did, he kicked Hawkins throughthe building, his men who were watching did not even notice until a few moments after. No one is grasping at straws it is simple knowledge, he controls the element, it's like trying to say Madara Uchiha can't absorb giants because he never has done it, despite being able to warp anything. You are the one grasping at a counter claim here.

Also speaking about lightspeed both Crimson King and Ban has so-called "lightspeed feats" where characters claimed to move at the speed of light. In SDK we have Hishigi's slash that even the narrator says to be lightspeed. Yet even mid-high tiers like the Yuan dodged that while being exhausted. FCK is top tier in terms of speed and everything at the SDK-verse. Is he casually FTL then even in base? That makes him 10 times faster than that with Sekireigan. With such speed he can effortlessly blitz Kizaru even as a mass of light or see lasers in slow motion. We can even go on this route.

 I said before that they could take out Kizaru, but the thing is while Kizaru can also travel light speeds he has shown to be able to teleport shown when he first arrived and teleported onto a canon ball, I beleive teleporting is faster than any kind of movement. Not to mention Kizaru's attacks (Raining light, firing lasers, flight ect) how will he see or hit light anyway? At any rate I need not make an argument for Kizaru wining a battle seeing as how it is 6 against 2, the other 4 can win this as it is, since we already decidedBan would go after Kizaru and FCK will go after Akainu, I still don't see why a simple gear third axe wont take them out regardless of how fast, how will they dodge if they have no place to go? Not to mention the freeze and die when touching aokiji or he can freeze the floor.

Whichever, he so much over in terms of speed that it doesn't matter what the opposition can do. They are getting hit with pseudo blackholes, taken their shadows and frozzen to absolute zero before they even think.  What more they get harassed with whole armies of FTL instantly reforming Mibu Blood Soldiers. Sounds ridiculous already, isn't it?:p

 Not at all, you are trying to make them sound really powerful when they aren't, every speed feet for Getbackers has been done on one guy, not 6, you have opponent in the air, long rang and such, Luffy and Zoro have been shown to hit shadows such as with moria, Blackholes? The one that only sucked one guy in? From that scan that is no more powerful than the black hole Blackbeard used. Aslo I never saw these attacks activate at FTL speeds, mind showing me? So far only one person has attacked at light speed, every other person has only had claims of dodging fast. Attacked by reforming soldiers? Again Luffy and crew, while weakened fought soldiers (Reforming shadow bats, soldeirs, zombies. Mainford Soldiers, some that were CP9 level ect) not to mention Aokiji can easily freez them all the moment the attack him or freez the field. Sounds riduculous already doesn't it?

I generously and out of reason dissuaded the whole FTL legend on SDK. I made the compromise to keep the discussion on more sane levels. Yet you still come with Kizaru's lightspeed hyperbole...
Yes, hyperbole since it contradicts with about every single feat of his. Is he holding back majorly then?(like about showing 0.0001% of his true strength) 
Maybe yes but Occam's Razor always point to the simpler solution which is more grounded in reason. Kizaru can't move that fast. He was simply lying. No one in One Piece, including him had ever explicitly shown speeds ever approaching lightspeed. Point.

 So basicly your argument is Ichiro Oda is lying to us, the author, because it does not fit your real world logic, or that of other anime with different aspects to what FTL is? Great, moving on

Back to topic, Chinmei had shown to repeatedly react to cloud-to-earth lightning. In short he reacted to real lightning, not some made-up magic electricity like most electric attacks. He even moved away in time when Sasuke already released it at him. The lightning true to its name is extremely fast. 150 kilometers per second at the very least. It can even go up to approach relativistic levels. Dodging lightnings after they were released is considered to be just a step under reacting to lasers. And Chinmei is still slower than the FCK. To translate to Mach values the lightning moves with at least Mach 437 but usually well into the thousands of Machs. Hypersonic speed is Mach 5. The speed of sound is obviously Mach 1. One piece characters are at best into the double digits in speed. And again it's Chinmei. FCK is faster AND has the Sekireigan to manipulate time thus move 10 times faster than normal.

 That's great, but Aokiji jumped above the clouds in a second, not including running speed, maybe not faster than lightning however it is fast enough, not sure what your point in this part of the argument was.

And it doesn't matter if the opposition is 5 people or 10. Being massively( roughly x10-100) faster means the Crimson King can pass 100 meters while the rest just one. He can do hundred actions while the OP characters can only one each. And it isn't a turn-based game. It means the FCK had already moved before the rest just thought about fighting. Plus even if they do react their attacks have velocity and speed. Even blasts take time to reach a certain point. With his superior speed he can literally outrun those with complete ease. That's a true and utter speedblitz where the opposition just stands like sitting ducks and hopelessly watching as they die.Even if he has inferior power(which he isn't really), he can just repeatedly hit the same spot until it breaks. Durability means little here. Plus FCK has the hax to take them down without caring about how tough they are. That's the Former Crimson King, one of the most badass fighters ever made in fiction.


Has he fought this fast against multiple people? If so show me him casting these spells and such at FTL speeds, Aokiji would kill him the moment he touched him, Luffy crushes him ect. No saying he wont kill any of em, but every moves he has done, he stops and uses it one one person, I have never seen him attack multiple, if so please show me.
Post by Boxer_Joe (305 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Sajin Komamura vs Kenpachi Zaraki

Komamura wins here, I have seen nothing impressive from Kenpachi other than getting hacked and then winning in a giant burst of power, tanking a hit from Yammy was no big deal either, I don't see how Kenpachi will even hurt a guy who tanked a level 90 kidou spell from Aizen (Arguably his strongest spell and one of his strongest moves.) Ichigo is the only other one to do that. I think Komamura can take Kenpachi down, he already knows how he fights.
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Battles » crimson king & ban vs aokiji, akanui, kizaru, luffy, zoro, marco

@Apollo: It happened in like a second though.
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Battles » crimson king & ban vs aokiji, akanui, kizaru, luffy, zoro, marco

@willyvereb said:
" @Kurohige: I have noticed an essential problem with your debating style Kurohige. You tend to ignore that there are many kinds of resistances a number of forms of durability. Indeed OP characters are physically tough but Whitebeard's example showed for example that they generally still consider bladed weapons as a threat. Same way with Whitebeard's  being burnt by Akainu. We know that the Admiral's fires are extremely hot(can melt steel instantly). Yet it draws a line for most OP characters in durability. Anyone besides maybe Jozu can't tank Akainu's attacks. Not even Ace, who should have some sort of immunity to fire. To conclude even if we have characters who can survive city-busting blasts, if they are hurt by swords we should consider that durability as an example when they face bladed/piercing weapons. Same way if the character haven't shown much resistance to extreme heat *cough DBZ* then attacks of that kind would still work on them. They are simply different kinds of damage. In reality, explosions does have a heat and surviving such attack automatically make that thing immune to mere sword slashes. But this is fiction. People casually violate the rules of physics, ignore gravity and don't even care about the law of energy conversation. You can't expect everything to work rationallyOther fault is that you tend to ignore some facts. Even if someone cannot be killed physically, metaphysical attacks would still work. Mind-rape to make Kizaru pass out works regardless of Logia Intangibility and would count as his defeat.Plus you still ignore the absolute zero freezing attacks. Listen, whether one has absolute zero attack or not depends on one thing: He has to claim it. No matter how effective a character in freezing, absolute zero attacks are a different category. You can't prove a freezing move to be on absolute zero, only disprove. The difference between normal and absolute zero freezing attack is that the later can potentially destroy the molecular bonds, having disruptive effect. To add attacks bellow absolute zero means the total annihilation of energy. In short it's a paradox situation when there's NOTHING, not even sub-atomic particles left. The last example is Inferno Chill by the way.  Okay, back on topic: Kizaru had never shown feats of being light-speed in combat. Yate-no-Kagami teleportation(not the beam) and his finger lasers are the only moves not getting disproven of being ligthspeed yet. Character statements hold little value against feats.On the side note though Ban Mido fought Masaki(a light-man similar to Kizaru). While I disagree on Ban being relativistic(not to mention FTL), that shows he can indeed deal with such opponents.Kyo(the protagonist of SDK) dodged Hishigi's  slash that he claimed to be lightspeed.Kyo matched FCK in base speed so it applies to him as well. I don't buy tHishigi's claim either but just tell you these.I show you that with the same thinking both FCK and Ban should be FTL. They aren't though, I am sure.   Kizaru is just a high tier speedster in his own verse. Unless he shows a new feat, that status surely won't change. He's faster than Luffy but somehow equal to Rayleigh and only a little faster than the rest of Admiral-level fighters. Similarly, Ban and FCK are the top tiers in speed considering their respective verses. I am unsure on GB but it's certain that the speeds in SDK are more insane. Bestr example is a mid-high level character, Chinmei. He casually dodged a cloud-to-earth lightning from Sasuke. Yet the FCK showed to be utterly superior. Plus add the fact of Sekiereigan. It's an ability that allows FCK to manipulate time to be magnitudes more faster. This crazy ability allows him sure blitz even if he's equal in base. To add he has hellfires, comparable to Akainu's magma, water dragons to tear people appart from the inside, pseudo black holes and gravity control, mind-rape, classic telekinesis, Can summon the three Saint Beasts en-masse, Mibu Blood Solders...etc. Of course that include Inferno Chill. The ability to essentially destroy anyone who possess a physical body and not clearly stated to be capable of surviving attacks bellow absolute zero. So what does FCK have? Ability of sure blitz+ability of sure kill. Doesn't it make the battle a stomp? Seriously, blame the OP for putting One Piece characters against a monster like that. He's the classical super-overpowered villain who cannot be defeated anyone but the protagonist. "

Gotta disagree with you there, Kurohige puts up great arguments all the time, even when he does not show scans he can put up decent debates against people like Hitsusatsu and formercrimsonking. Almost every argument he makes he can prove as shown above. He wasn't ignoring anything, he showed Whitebeard tanking lava blast equal to his quakes, canon balls,bazookas and more, he was already sick and dying too. Shanks and Whitebeard clashed swords and caused the clouds above to split. So I'm sure he does not consider them a thread seeing as how he tanked hits from giants while already dying which weakened him, Jinbei tanked hits from akainu, Whitebeard tanked two or three and his lava is much stronger and hotter than normal lava, Ace's fire burns through rock and whole ships,while akainu can instantly destroy giant iceburgs, and clash with quakes from Whitebeard. Luffy tankes Don Kreig's exploding spear at the beginning of the series.
 
As for kizaru's speed, "Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?" we then see him kick him with light around his foot, regardless if you want to use you example as a real life person or fiction is up to you, we then see Kizaru without yata no gami blitz Drake before he even blinks, we at least say he can go light speed short distances, sure there are some things that are inconsistant (Him fighting with Silver, needing yata no gami to catch up with the straw hats.) however it is no different from Dragonball Z, as Hitsusatsu proved they are well over Light speed, but they have many inconsistencies, we have Kizaru being made of light, being able to manipulate light, and even saying he can kick at light speed, against you saying he can't, sure he may not be able to do Dragonball z-like high speed fighting, but he can travel and blitz the opponent with one attack at least. Kizaru has haki, it protect them from almost anything as shown when Whitebeard was not knocked out from Shank's Haki, it can arguably go for mental things seeing as how haki affect those with a weak will.
 
As for how they win, simple, you put five against two, there is nothing to suggest that Zoro's ashura illusion wont work while Ban and FCK are busy with the admirals would take them out or Luffy's grear third stomp even with all those powers, Getbackers are not at all overpowered, can FCK activate blackholes and such at super sonic speeds or faster? If not I think Team One Piece can pull a win, I see a bunch of cool deadly powers but no arguments suggesting why the character wins, all people are doing is telling me what kind of deadly powers Getbackers have and what it would do to team One Piece but noarguments.
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Battles » aizen vs sailor moon

@hitsusatsu11: Gonna be honest with ya, most of the feats are kinda fanwank (Altering reality, being omni-potent) she can only alter time and is immortal. Also she is not trillion times the speed of light, only a few hundred.
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Battles » aizen vs sailor moon

@hitsusatsu11: They scans below say otherwise, any scout stops this.
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Battles » aizen vs sailor moon

Oh and here is sailor moon overpowering 8 planet busters using planet attack (They were made by galacia or something) 
 





And this is a crazy feat, fighting limitless power and going beyond, and this was before any power up, nemesis can pretty much reality warp: 











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Battles » aizen vs sailor moon

@hitsusatsu11: Sailor moon characters can stop and manipulate time, hell villains like galaxia blow up planets with a finger, serena beats her using all her power, some characters can arguably beat goku 
 This is a low end feat too
 This is a low end feat too
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RPG » Bleach RPG- Kyūsokuna Kobushi's Bio


Like Kurohige just getting the temp.
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RPG » Bleach RPG- Kyūsokuna Kobushi's Bio

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 Full Name: Kyūsokuna  Kobushi    (Rapid Fist) 
 Age of Death: 29 
 Age of Appearance: 26 
Actual Age:  125 
Gender: Male 
Current Residence: Rukongai (Junriran) 

Weapons: Zanpakuto (Fist)
Affiliation: Gotei 14-11th division Captain

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RPG » Bleach: Alternate Universe (Ooc)



 
 

First name:  Kyūsokuna    (Rapid) 
Last name:  Kobushi    (Fist) 
Age: 29 (126) 
Squad: 11th Squad 
Rank:Captain
Class: Shinigami
Fighting style:Physicle/un orthadox/ blunt
Zanpaktou: O ushi  (Bull)- Physicle/up close
Shikai-Panchi,Kentora /Punch, Bull 
Bankai-Moeru/ Blazing Bull (Can't use it, and refuses to.)
 
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 Zanpaktou in spirit form(non human):  
 


               
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Battles » Luffy vs Sauske

@taichokage:
In character? Sasuke cuts Luffy in half, or uses a genjutsu, sets him on fire or blitzs him, I mean sasuke is pretty much always bloodlusted in shipuuden lol.
Post by Boxer_Joe (305 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Luffy vs Sauske


Luffy blows himself into the air (In which he looks at the ground) uses a gear third axe and drops his leg on Sasuke crushing him, since the raw force was able to bust an island I doubt Sasuke using the snake or susanoo will help, or Luffy can blitz him. Or simple haki.
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