because gotenks’s feat puts him at mach 1000.
because buuhan moving as fast as he can took a good while to reach goku and vegeta after goku used IT. if he was lightspeed or faster he would have reached their location in less than one second. And then we have buu destroying earth, why not just use IT and get everyone?
You keep bringing up the anime but okay, since it should be allowed as a good feat. The ship was moving thousands times faster than light, okay then why did he not simply use this kind of speed against frieza, that all dissappeares I guess, since goku should be a couple thousands times the speed of light. Inconsistancies all over.
I didn't know I had that power lol, they don't move at light speed because it is never proven, when gohan blasted cell into space that did not seem light speed nor any other feat past that or before.
You don't find it relivent eh? Well you should reread it, I even gave goku the benefit of the doubt. but wait he is thousands times the speed of light right? no. WHen was this shown in fighting, and please show me goku instantly taking out peopel like you say. I will go ahead and say goku is near light speed or possibly right at light speed but you still have not shown me FTL Then you bring up PL when we know how wacky they are Raditz moved after the beam fired sure, the blast hit the moon okay but why is the move he used on raditz just fast? Because it's stronger? and when did PL mean speed as well Yajirobe never seemed even mach speed yet the PL should prove otherwise.
Anyway all I'm saying is I can beleive goku to be light speed or even FTL, but just show me, because they way you talk about goku he is some omipresent god. I also brought up Toriyama not wanting to do DBZ because you see it? Cell is solar system busting yet he and gohan clash and nothing happens? Not only that but the blast was not FTL despite the fact that both should be stronger than Namek saga goku? Just explain this to me and I will concede.
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" I did not, He did not take a nap right off the bat, even if he did he would have had to travel around the world 7.5 times a second and he did not. Piccolo still should not have been able to catch up to him.
Light circles the earths equator 7.5 x in second, however a circles Gotenks did were much bigger then equator.
So if he did all that in one second, he actually did go ftl.
and also he did took a nap.
I did not, He did not take a nap right off the bat, even if he did he would have had to travel around the world 7.5 times a second and he did not. Piccolo still should not have been able to catch up to him.
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Way to completely ignore that Gotenks took a nap for an undisclosed period of time.
Then, Piccolos says he has one minute, gotenks gets to Buu. says something, then defuses.
We don't have exact times for the feat. so its vague.
Sure like warp kamehameha right? I have never seen goku do something like teleport/high speed fight, so far I have only seen him to it for warp kamehameha or to dodge, he still needs a bit of time for it.
Shunkan Ido is used in combat, the scans prove this.
I bring up the movies as a reference for the battles I have seen, and to give goku an edge. Sure IT is instant however feats prove otherwise, Cell is able to react to it, even so he teleports, stops, then attacks.
Bringing up the movies?
In 10,000 Power Soldiers goku is able to fight a whole battle instantly with shunkan ido.
Anyway saying IT is not instant is nonsense.
Still not 7.5 times in one second, you can count the rings, it was not 7 times at all.
The theory of relativity does not apply to DB, as space ships have moved thousands of times FTL
From the manga, gotenks flew around the world (in larger arcs then the worlds circumference) in one panel and over all he flew and napped for an unknown period of 30 seconds.
Goku did not name the technique, the people of Yardrat did.
The daizenshuu and iirc even an interview with Toriyama confirm it as instant.
Again, Gotenks flew for x amount of time, napped for y amount.
This isn't relevant. How about Goku as a child reacting to beams of light? How about Goku being faster than lightning? How about the speed of beams? How about Goku escaping the light of freeza? "
"1. Goku vs. Superman2. Goku vs. Sailor Moon 3. Unit 01 vs. Wing Zero 4. Naruto vs. Luffy 5. Afro Samurai vs. Kenshin Himura 6. Rushuna Tendo vs. Vash the Stampede 7. Janemba vs. Kid Buu 8. Broly vs. Gogeta 9. Broly vs. Vegito 10. SSJ3 Goku vs. SSJ3 Vegeta // SSJ4 Goku vs. SSJ4 Vegeta (both fights would be mad epic)11. Aleksandr Her vs. Edward Elric 12. Kenshiro vs. Goku 13. Broly vs. Hatchyack If there are any more that come to mind, I will probably edit this. "
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By physics he cannot although this is discredited by the feats of speed his able to perform. Exhibited in "Broly The Legendary" Instant transmission does not work as the move implies, it in-fact is literal movement over a period of time. In this movie Goku used this moves to another region of the galaxy and there is a travel section. Also in the series, Gotanks a character of who is much slower then Goku travels the distance around the world (24,859.82 miles) many times within 4 sec and light is able to travel around the planet about 9 times per second. If Gotanks a much lesser character is able to travel the planet 1/9 light speed, before the discovery of SS4 in DBGT Goku is highly likely to be able to travel faster than the illogical speed of light
Goku lacks the any feats to support the fact that he can move Faster than light. Instant Transmission is exactly waht it sounds like. Instant movement. The manga is the original source, so it defines what Goku does and what feats he has exhibited. The movies are not canon to the story, and therefore do not effect the real DBZ storyline. no Gotenks actually did not travel around the world in 4 seconds. The feat is illogical. In the anime the Earth can be seen rotating at a faster than normal rate, which would imply time is passing by faster. If time is relative to each person, as suggested by physics, then that would mean the Earth shouldn't have rotating at all. IT could also mean a large amount of time passed while Gotenks travelled around the world, but this isn't true, since the fusion only lasts 30 minutes. Goku lacks feats to suggests he is FTL. Instant transmission is what it sound like, Instant movement.
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Ah, just a small comment , fusion times is entirely based on amount of power in use by said fused indivual. Time is relative yes and yes planet rotation may be taken into consideration but at the time the anime was written I don't honestly physics were applied to the logics. "Instant Transmission" a moved named by a dull, righteous, member of a warrior race of whom took more than his fair share of cracks to his head. Goku describes the move as instantaneous but it may not be completely accurate. Remember to keep an open mind and try to understand other points. Real physics do say this speed is completely imposable but is also says a normal man is not able to shoot energy beams, move at sonic speeds or lift large cars with ease (Krilin).
"Ah, just a small comment , fusion times is entirely based on amount of power in use by said fused indivual."
Even though Piccolo clearly states it only lasts 30 minutes. Even if you throw out physics from the equation, you are left with a clear statement made in the manga which states the fusion only lasts for 30 minutes. I agree, using physics in anime is like trying to fit a whale in a bathtub. It just wont work. But, you cannot use physics selectively. Either you use physics to decribe feats all the time, or do not use it at all and use evidence from the manga to support it.
I say do not apply physics in this. And Yes piccolo did state it lasts 30 min but also Goku was given exactly 1 day as a visit on earth. This was cut down by the over use of power. Later in the Fusion Reborn limited fusion time is expressed that Gogeta only was able to keep sustained for minutes. Again in GT part of the real series 334 Goku only lasted a rough couple minutes. But this has nothing to do with how fast Goku is."
" @TheLegendaryOne: I know you aren't. I'm just saying. I never once said Goku was slow. By the end of the series he is easily in the quadruple digits hypersonic. That is extremely fast. They can't say she's not FTL because the scans are right there. Even if Goku was FTL (and he isn't, he has no clear FTL speed feats), he's displayed nothing close to being able to zip to the center of the galaxy 26,000 lightyears away in a second or two under his own momentum. Sailor Moon stops time and drops a Galaxy Cauldron busting attack on his ass. Though Goku won under the conditions we set up in the movie (where speed wasn't very heavily considered), which I don't mind. :P "
" @Boxer_Joe: Actually Koma has been beaten by Tosen too. And that part where he fought Ichigo, he was not serious, he did not use his best techniques, he did not even release his reiatsu until after he had already let ichigo wound him time after time, Ichigo is a massive evolving machine who went from not being able to beat Grimmjow, to dominating Ulquiorra in a matter of hours, this instance was the same, and on top of all that, they actually had a draw, not Kenny's loss. If anything, Kenny won that fight because even though it was a double ko, Kenny was the last one standing."Komamura was not trying to kill Tousen as shown when he backhanded him, Tousen only won from the power up (Mainly his enhanced regeneration) plus another form. I don't hink Knepachi would have done much better. Still no one has shown a feat for Kenpachi winning.
" @Boxer_Joe: that battle was PIS EX ok Shikai ichigo beated Kempachi but how can you explain that Ichigo with his Bankai and his mask could barely beat the 6th espada them Kempachi comes and defeats the 5th but later Ichigos Vizored Kuroi Getsuga barely made a Cutted yamis neck but Seconds later a pached Kempachi cuts yamis legs like a hot Knife trought Butter "