Boxer_Joe (Level 10)

@Nevermind said:

" @TheLegendaryOne:  I know you aren't. I'm just saying.  I never once said Goku was slow. By the end of the series he is easily in the quadruple digits hypersonic. That is extremely fast.  They can't say she's not FTL because the scans are right there. Even if Goku was FTL (and he isn't, he has no clear FTL speed feats), he's displayed nothing close to being able to zip to the center of the galaxy 26,000 lightyears away in a second or two under his own momentum.  Sailor Moon stops time and drops a Galaxy Cauldron busting attack on his ass.   Though Goku won under the conditions we set up in the movie (where speed wasn't very heavily considered), which I don't mind. :P "

Agreed, you and Kurohige killed this thread. 
 
Sailor moon stomps hard, like shitsumon and Rappu said, i ahve no idea why people think goku has a chance here.

 
Name: Jarves Irving 
Age: 45 
Gender: Male 
Devil fruit: Force Force fruit 
Occupation: Pirate captain (First Class Pirates) 
Bounty:     24,000,000 berri 
 
Special skills: Expert kick-boxer, tea expert. Due to the powers of the force fruit it allows Jarves to use invisible force to push, crush, and evens trangle enemies however he can only push so far. 
 
Crew: 
 

Name:Fredrict Stoltz 
Age: 53 
Gender: Male 
Bounty: 200 berry 
Occupation: First mate 
Devil fruit: None 
 
Special skills: Expert martial artist. 
 
 
 
 
 
Name: Sesile Jayne 
Age: 30 
Gender: Male 
Bounty: 2,000 berri 
Occupation: Gunner 
Devil fruit: None 
 
Special skills: Weapon specialist. 
 
 
 
 
Name: Julia Harr 
Age: 16 
Gender: Female 
Bounty: 30,000,000 
Occupation: Navigator 
Devil fruit: Plant plant fruit (Paremecia)
 
Special skills: Julia can summon plants from her body or out of the ground or any kind to attack the enemy. 
 
 
 
 
Name: Hooper Styles 
Age: 57 
Gender: Male 
Bounty: None 
Occupation: Chef 
Devil fruit: None 
Special skills: Hooper is a colonary chef. 
 
 
 
Name: Fuujin Yamasaki 
Age: 21 
Gender: Male 
Bounty: 4,000 berri 
Occupation: FIghter 
Devil fruit: None 
Special skills: Fuujin is an expert swordsman, he masters the two sword style and uses twin katana.

@CodeSaint said:

"Well possibily even the top 3 characters from Straw Hat Crew would do it alone,#16 is a stomp. "

Who and how?

OP stomps.

@Hirako_Fan:
Well Kenpachi even admitted Nnoroira almost killed him.

@taichokage said:

" @Boxer_Joe: Actually Koma has been beaten by Tosen too. And that part where he fought Ichigo, he was not serious, he did not use his best techniques, he did not even release his reiatsu until after he had already let ichigo wound him time after time, Ichigo is a massive evolving machine who went from not being able to beat Grimmjow, to dominating Ulquiorra in a matter of hours, this instance was the same, and on top of all that, they actually had a draw, not Kenny's loss. If anything, Kenny won that fight because even though it was a double ko, Kenny was the last one standing."

Komamura was not trying to kill Tousen as shown when he backhanded him, Tousen only won from the power up (Mainly his enhanced regeneration) plus another form. I don't hink Knepachi would have done much better. Still no one has shown a feat for Kenpachi winning.
@Hirako_Fan said:

" @Boxer_Joe: that battle was PIS  EX ok Shikai ichigo beated Kempachi but how can you explain that Ichigo with his Bankai and his mask could barely beat the 6th espada them Kempachi comes and defeats the 5th but later Ichigos Vizored Kuroi Getsuga barely made a Cutted yamis neck but Seconds later a pached Kempachi cuts yamis legs like a hot Knife trought Butter "

Simple, yammy sucked and pretty much everyone got stronger, did you think they stayed the same level or something? Kenpachi most likely trained harder, you of all people should know Bleach characters get crazy power-ups.

@willyvereb:
No Flash would rape the whole One Piece world before their nerves even sgnal their brains lol, but it is a manner of speech, I am currently exeeding my science classes and am planning to major in it, that or a few other things next year. Your additude of thinking you are above everyone led you to suggest something so crazy, I have prefect knowledge of speed, both real life and fictional. Just let Hitsusatsu handle this, it's beyond you.

Anyway back to the debate no one has shown me a argument why Getbackers win, only a power set lol, I say team One Piece wins due to numbers and area of affect (Luffy,Aokiji,Akainu) and team getbackers will be busy taking out the two fighters while everyone else attacks, really I'm starting to think Aokiji can even win this, seeing as how if the get close it's over, Aokiji freezes them in an instant, his ice time would freeze the whole feild.

@Hirako_Fan:
PIS? No that's a misuse of the word Ichigo won because he was simply able to overpower and outlast Kenpachi, TOusen could have killed him too. Kenpachi is just overrated.

@Hirako_Fan:
Because you prove it in your post and the spite threads you make, you have no place calling me bias the way you debate for Bleach characters.

@hitsusatsu11: 
 They can transfer haki into their attacks like Whitebeard did with quakes, yet Kizaru still could regen.
 
@taichokage:
@Hirako_Fan:

The One Piece part was part of a example that were were getting in to. Anyway, as for Komamura, that spell would have killed or knocked out any other captain short of Yamamoto, but Komamura gets up with only scratches. I doubt Kenpachi would even tank that. How many times has Kenpachi been hacked and slashed? Komamura has only been beaten by the strongest person in the show, while Kenpachi got taken out by mid teir.

@Hirako_Fan:
Yes I read and watched Getbackers,  
 
Again using real world physics in anime does not work, by that logic no getbacker character is light speed because they blinked before the attack, or Bleach character is even sonic speed because they don't make sonic boms whent hey move, come on now, I know you hate One Piece but let's make good argumetns here or leave it to Willyvereb and Hitsusatsu.

Wally murders Goku without effort.

@hitsusatsu11:
Haki 
/thread

@hitsusatsu11:
Just like Aokiji was blown up in regulare form and reformed in ice, Apoo has haki I believe.

@Hirako_Fan:
Main characters like supernovas who are importatn to the series are fodder? Wow, I guess Shinji, all the captains and such on bleach are fodder right? No he kicked hawkins at light speed, he controls light, I'm not sure why that alone makes you guys continue to argue this. 
 
Here is some feats fro Luffy:           And how would they take this?      

@Dreamer said:

"LOL!!!! Not To Be Mean Or Anything But The People That Say That Kizaru Dose Not Move A The Speed Of  Light Are Stupid XD, Common People He Is A Logia Fruit User Meaning That He Control 100% Of That Element So That Doesn't Need Any Proof ,If You Have Logic You Will See That If Your %100 Light You Can Move At The Speed Of Light Because Your Light Daaaa Its Like Saying That Enel can control Lightning And Out Of No Wer He Cant make Lighting Or Move As Fast As Lighting (Note: Lighting Moves 1/2 The Speed Of Light) "

That's what I've been trying to say, not that he needs it, 6 against one, so far no one has shown FCK blitzing more thna one person at a time, he can't hurt luffy with anything other than blades and possibly mind attacks, pretty much all six fighters have haki and shields, Kizaru can telleport, Luffy can go above the clouds, so can Kizaru,Aokiji and Marco and attack, Aokiji can instantly freeze the feild, he can arguable win this.
@Hirako_Fan said:

"team GB stomps this.  and it doenst matter how many times people say that Kizaru is lighspeed the fact is that he is not until he proves it in the manga Blitsin a low midtier does not puts him at lightspeed not even close."

He did prove it. Try another argument.

@willyvereb said:
"@Boxer_Joe:

That doesn't work such way.
As I said character claims mean little if it contradicts with the feats. I can say that I run at FTL speeds, no one would believe me. Same way, there's no proof of Kizaru moving at speed even approaching the light. He's very fast indeed but we have a number of counterproof to make his statement of lightspeed false. You are gasping to the straws here

 Sure it does in One Piece, you are once again comparing your real life scenario with that of fiction, of course no one would believe you, you are a normal human with no powers or anything, however if you absolutly controled light and all it's properties and then proceeded to run so fast no one could even see you even without blinking then sure, that is what Kizaru did, he kicked Hawkins throughthe building, his men who were watching did not even notice until a few moments after. No one is grasping at straws it is simple knowledge, he controls the element, it's like trying to say Madara Uchiha can't absorb giants because he never has done it, despite being able to warp anything. You are the one grasping at a counter claim here.

Also speaking about lightspeed both Crimson King and Ban has so-called "lightspeed feats" where characters claimed to move at the speed of light. In SDK we have Hishigi's slash that even the narrator says to be lightspeed. Yet even mid-high tiers like the Yuan dodged that while being exhausted. FCK is top tier in terms of speed and everything at the SDK-verse. Is he casually FTL then even in base? That makes him 10 times faster than that with Sekireigan. With such speed he can effortlessly blitz Kizaru even as a mass of light or see lasers in slow motion. We can even go on this route.

 I said before that they could take out Kizaru, but the thing is while Kizaru can also travel light speeds he has shown to be able to teleport shown when he first arrived and teleported onto a canon ball, I beleive teleporting is faster than any kind of movement. Not to mention Kizaru's attacks (Raining light, firing lasers, flight ect) how will he see or hit light anyway? At any rate I need not make an argument for Kizaru wining a battle seeing as how it is 6 against 2, the other 4 can win this as it is, since we already decidedBan would go after Kizaru and FCK will go after Akainu, I still don't see why a simple gear third axe wont take them out regardless of how fast, how will they dodge if they have no place to go? Not to mention the freeze and die when touching aokiji or he can freeze the floor.

Whichever, he so much over in terms of speed that it doesn't matter what the opposition can do. They are getting hit with pseudo blackholes, taken their shadows and frozzen to absolute zero before they even think.  What more they get harassed with whole armies of FTL instantly reforming Mibu Blood Soldiers. Sounds ridiculous already, isn't it?:p

 Not at all, you are trying to make them sound really powerful when they aren't, every speed feet for Getbackers has been done on one guy, not 6, you have opponent in the air, long rang and such, Luffy and Zoro have been shown to hit shadows such as with moria, Blackholes? The one that only sucked one guy in? From that scan that is no more powerful than the black hole Blackbeard used. Aslo I never saw these attacks activate at FTL speeds, mind showing me? So far only one person has attacked at light speed, every other person has only had claims of dodging fast. Attacked by reforming soldiers? Again Luffy and crew, while weakened fought soldiers (Reforming shadow bats, soldeirs, zombies. Mainford Soldiers, some that were CP9 level ect) not to mention Aokiji can easily freez them all the moment the attack him or freez the field. Sounds riduculous already doesn't it?

I generously and out of reason dissuaded the whole FTL legend on SDK. I made the compromise to keep the discussion on more sane levels. Yet you still come with Kizaru's lightspeed hyperbole...
Yes, hyperbole since it contradicts with about every single feat of his. Is he holding back majorly then?(like about showing 0.0001% of his true strength) 
Maybe yes but Occam's Razor always point to the simpler solution which is more grounded in reason. Kizaru can't move that fast. He was simply lying. No one in One Piece, including him had ever explicitly shown speeds ever approaching lightspeed. Point.

 So basicly your argument is Ichiro Oda is lying to us, the author, because it does not fit your real world logic, or that of other anime with different aspects to what FTL is? Great, moving on

Back to topic, Chinmei had shown to repeatedly react to cloud-to-earth lightning. In short he reacted to real lightning, not some made-up magic electricity like most electric attacks. He even moved away in time when Sasuke already released it at him. The lightning true to its name is extremely fast. 150 kilometers per second at the very least. It can even go up to approach relativistic levels. Dodging lightnings after they were released is considered to be just a step under reacting to lasers. And Chinmei is still slower than the FCK. To translate to Mach values the lightning moves with at least Mach 437 but usually well into the thousands of Machs. Hypersonic speed is Mach 5. The speed of sound is obviously Mach 1. One piece characters are at best into the double digits in speed. And again it's Chinmei. FCK is faster AND has the Sekireigan to manipulate time thus move 10 times faster than normal.

 That's great, but Aokiji jumped above the clouds in a second, not including running speed, maybe not faster than lightning however it is fast enough, not sure what your point in this part of the argument was.

And it doesn't matter if the opposition is 5 people or 10. Being massively( roughly x10-100) faster means the Crimson King can pass 100 meters while the rest just one. He can do hundred actions while the OP characters can only one each. And it isn't a turn-based game. It means the FCK had already moved before the rest just thought about fighting. Plus even if they do react their attacks have velocity and speed. Even blasts take time to reach a certain point. With his superior speed he can literally outrun those with complete ease. That's a true and utter speedblitz where the opposition just stands like sitting ducks and hopelessly watching as they die.Even if he has inferior power(which he isn't really), he can just repeatedly hit the same spot until it breaks. Durability means little here. Plus FCK has the hax to take them down without caring about how tough they are. That's the Former Crimson King, one of the most badass fighters ever made in fiction.

Has he fought this fast against multiple people? If so show me him casting these spells and such at FTL speeds, Aokiji would kill him the moment he touched him, Luffy crushes him ect. No saying he wont kill any of em, but every moves he has done, he stops and uses it one one person, I have never seen him attack multiple, if so please show me.

Komamura wins here, I have seen nothing impressive from Kenpachi other than getting hacked and then winning in a giant burst of power, tanking a hit from Yammy was no big deal either, I don't see how Kenpachi will even hurt a guy who tanked a level 90 kidou spell from Aizen (Arguably his strongest spell and one of his strongest moves.) Ichigo is the only other one to do that. I think Komamura can take Kenpachi down, he already knows how he fights.

@Apollo: It happened in like a second though.