Tell me about it. My OCD senses are tingling.
Indeed 18 power level is beyond Frieza but did you ever think that hers power is manifested differently than just brute planet destroying?
18 is faster stronger and better in every aspect if compared to frieza, her powerlevel is also obviously bigger, btw it also depends on the attack potency
Just because she is hyped as better doesn't make her better in every single aspect.
I'm not downplaying anyone. Let me just try to make my point throw comparison. If you ever watched a soccer game (or any other sport for that matter), than you must have seen that 3rd league team can beat 1st league team. Doesn't matter what the reasons are, it can happen.
With your kind of logic, if that 3rd league team beats 1st league team they will automatically be transformed to 1st league because they are better and every feat that 1st league team has made so far becomes automatically part of that 3rd league team feats.
I think that kind of logic is false.
I'm not asking for you to agree with me, I'm just asking to think about it. It is wrong to assume something that is not shown.
Kabuto as long as Naruto doesn't have access to the Kyubi power. In other words, in a strictly sage battle, I feel that Kabuto has the advantage. He could hold his own against Edo Itachi and Sasuke at once. Naruto did the same with Pain but I still feel Kabuto can win.
Indeed Kabuto could hold his own against Itachi and Sasuke but IMO they were just toying with him.
Hasirama is mach 134 based on the fact that he ''dodged'' Juubi's bijuu bomb from across the continent? Is it possible that he didn't dodged it and Juubi just simply missed him? The fact is that Juubi isn't the most precise shooter.
Spirit energy = Chakra. Reishi is not spirit energy, therefore Reishi =/= chakra. Once again this is evident by them being able to make physical contructs out of the stuff. i'd kove to see you prove how naruto characters can make entire buildings out of chakra.
I agree on everything except this one. Spirit energy is not chakra. It is not the same although it's something very similar.
It's a fact that Naruto characters can control their chakra, and if chakra is their spirit energy than that would mean they can most likely see soul reapers, and it's shown in Naruto manga that they can't see soul reapers.
@Dream: This is the problem with your ludicrous statement.
1. Yamamoto has used his bankai once and it wasn't in the human world where things are made of natural material.
2. He used it in SS where everything is made of reishi(aka soul matter) i believe I've explained this to you before, reishi(aka soul matter) and natural matter, are obviously completely different in properties strength density ect. Reishi(aka soul matter) is about as powerful as whoever created it, and it's density depends on how good their control is(this is evidenced when uryuu, Chad, and ichigo were going to hueco mundo and uryuu was able to make an incredibly dense complex path, yet Ichigo just barely could make one he could stand on) , meaning it's very possible reishi can survive those tempurature's for long periods of time depending on who made the structures, we have no idea what would have happened had he stayed in bankai just a few minutes longer.
3.Natural matter would vaporize because it has no such luxury, enough heat will whither it away. Meaning if yama did use his bankai in the human world, he'd effectively kill everything, instantly. even if it was hyperbole and yamajii=s bankai produced only 1/10 hell 1/20 of what he said it could, that's still far exceeding the tempurature necessary to erase all life off earth. It only takes about 2-3k degrees to melt things like rock and stuff, 500k is still over kill.
And one wonders why I bother to debate if people literally take character statements as fact despite little proof, contradictory feats, or the logic assumed not making any sense.
Soul Society isn't like the Earth so he can use his bankai more freely without doing that much collateral damage to his surroundings.
And what proof do you have that the world of the Soul Society is more durable than the Earth and can take a scorching with temperatures equal to the surface of the sun? If Yamamoto's incinerating characters with his attacks, then the temperature of his attacks are significantly lower than what you are believing, likely in the tens of thousands for degrees.
The fact is that all things in Soul Society are made of reishi. Reishi is the main component material of souls and it's invisible to mortals. That must stand for something.
I don't have any other proof just like you don't have any proof that your statement is correct.
I know what's bothering you. You see those 15 million degrees as something so unreal that you can't believe it. It was the same for me too. But consider that almost everything in anime/manga is unreal. Every single one of those shikai/bankai is unreal, yet you still believe they are real.
@taichokage: You do recall my thoughts of the whole "15 million degree" argument from Yamamoto's match against Roshi, right?
the claims of the temperature for Yamamoto's fire attacks sound like hyperbole considering such temps could vaporize an entire planet instantly if Yamamoto were indeed capable of using them.
Yhwach's Blut enhanced his defenses enough where he could withstand the heat of Yamamoto's attacks, so I don't picture the Juubi having any issue against the immense heat of Yamamoto's attacks.
@eddz99: Read the above regarding my thoughts on the so-called temperature of Yamamoto's sword.
As for Dangai Ichigo, Mugetsu was scaled to be around town/ city-buster. So, fail to see it denting Juubi here.
IMO the reason why Yamamoto did not use his bankai against Aizen was because he would probably just do as you say. He would destroy the planet with that temperature, and he did not want to do that. Soul Society isn't like the Earth so he can use his bankai more freely without doing that much collateral damage to his surroundings.
OP stated this fight is taking place in Soul Society so that is why I can see Yamamoto go all out on this one.
I'm not sure if team Bleach can win this but I believe 15 million degree bankai is possible.
Let him change it, let him make his own rules. But the thing is that thread is not worthless just because Naruto team can't see their opponents because I believe they can still touch them, therefor they can attack them.
In Bleach manga Chad was able to attack hollows even though he couldn't see them.
The fact that they can't see them obviously makes it harder for them, but they can still be victorious.
@GIRUGAMESH: Ok, assume away!!! I'm gonna assume that all types of jutsu are forbidden in this fight because it's no fair to have such power. While we're at it, lets assume zanpakutos are forbidden too, because you know, they can do some damage. What do you say? Is it more fair this way? Should we ban kiddo too?
Can Naruto team see Bleach team?
Of course, this should be assumed in virtually every case.
Why should this be assumed? In Naruto manga it's stated that they can't see shinigamies.
They may be able to touch them but they still can't see them.
Oh terrific, let's make their opponents and their attacks invisible, I'm sure we'll be in for a fair fight then. Yes, it should be assumed.
I'm not saying what is fair and what is not. I'm just saying how it is in the canon. You can't assume your own rules.