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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Attack on Titan Discussion

@takashichea: You're not using "altercation" right on that wiki page. The words you're looking for are alteration, changes or differences, but that's kind of redundant because you already have the heading saying "Manga and Anime Differences".

Episode 6 was pretty easy to watch. LOL so the REAL protagonist finally reveals himself... herself. Heck this could even turn into a trope if it's handled correctly. Making a character seem like the protagonist for the first few episodes, then killing him/her and shifting the focus to another character. Interesting how the only person they have shown in the series so far actually taking down Titans is Mikasa, so much for Eren's big talk. It was also interesting that during the flashback with Mikasa's family, Mikasa asked about how humans reproduce, since we don't know how the Titans reproduce... yet ;) The parallels between Mikasa's family dying and Eren's family dying were nice. Now all we need is to learn about Armin's family. :P

EDIT:

Well someone just gave me a guest pass so I went ahead and watched Episode 7 of Attack on Titan, and here are my thoughts:

Oh man that Titan at the end was ridiculous. So it looks like MAYBE the Titans are sapient enough that there are disagreements between the Titans about their relations with humans? The animation in the series continues to be really great (snow, blood, gore, mechanical web-swinging). All that talk about being a good leader, so far there haven’t really been any great examples of good leaders. I think this is partly because it can be reduced to the decision to fight or flee. On the one hand you have people going “oh it’s no use, let’s retreat so we can survive a little longer. On the other hand you have people like Eren who want to make a stand no matter what. And then there are fence-sitters or bystanders. However Mikasa’s urge to retake the tower was a good start, I’m interested to see how that plan goes. We need people who can think on their feet and be ready for worst case scenarios! Following orders is only one part of being a good soldier and sometimes the mission changes and old orders no longer matter! xD

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Aku no Hana Series Discussion

Whenever I hear this version of the opening theme I feel like doing the Thriller dance. Also wow, Nakamura's face when she kicked Kasuga's chair was priceless.

It's like she's staring into my SOUL!
It's like she's staring into my SOUL!

Well I can’t say that Kasuga is dealing with his thoughts and feelings in a psychologically healthy way. Kasuga clearly fantasized about Saeki-san, but he continues to deny and repress his sexual emotions by repeating lines like “I’m going to become a man worthy of Saeki,” “Saeki is an angel” etc.

It’s like Flowers of Evil is commenting both on moeblob anime and ecchi anime. The major plot point in Episode 6 was Nakamura telling Kasuga that Saeki-san wants to have sex. On the one hand if the viewer’s reaction is to side with Kasuga and does not want them to have sex because Saeki-san is innocent and all that. Then the viewer is in the same camp as practically every moeblob fan who can’t deal with the fact that their favourite female character gets a boyfriend. The same mode of thinking applies to fans of Japanese idol groups who throw hissy fits whenever their favorite idol gets a boyfriend. Kasuga is kind of like the moeblob fan who won't hear anything against his beloved Saeki-san. I wouldn't be surprised if Saeki-san actually does want to have sex, after all she is only human (just like Kasuga). But I seriously doubt that Saeki-san told Nakamura anything.

On the other hand if the viewer hopes that Kasuga and Saeki DO end up having sex, and the viewer is rooting for them to get it over with and do it already… Then the viewer is just like every other ecchi fan who only cares about boobs, shower scenes, sex scenes etc. and who looks forward to uncensored blu-ray releases of their favorite ecchi anime.

In this way, Flowers of Evil shows that both genres are inadequate and sometimes even unhealthy in how they deal with sexual themes. I feel like Kasuga is going to have to confront his sexual emotions at some point. Whether he confronts them because Nakamura keeps pushing him to do so, the process is not going to be easy. I previously raised the idea that Nakamura is just in it for the lols or she just wants to mess stuff up. But maybe her confrontational nature is a part of this anime’s critical attitude. Without Nakamura being so pushy, I don’t think this anime would be as effective at pushing its viewer to think about sexual themes differently.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Aku no Hana Series Discussion

Hmmm, this is turning out to a be a really interesting case study of adolescent curiosity of sex and love. For example if Saeki is telling the truth about never having a boyfriend before, then it seems like Saeki has spent so much time in the past focusing on studying that she didn't really have experience with boys. So MAYBE Saeki is only going out with Kasuga because she's curious about sex and love, and thinks that Kasuga would be easy to woo. But then the question is, would that make Saeki a pervert? I don't really think so, I mean.. they're just teenagers, so it's natural for them to be curious about sex and love.

HOWEVER, Nakamura's curiosity I think is taking it too far. It would be nice to see whether Nakamura's parents had bad relations, or find out if she was abused, to see what made her this way. But regardless, it's like Nakamura is curious about sex and love, but just doesn't want to personally involve herself in that stuff. Maybe she is afraid, which leads her to become a sort of voyeur or observer. With Kasuga, he's also an adolescent trying to come to terms with his emotions. Sure he talks about platonic love, but Nakamura raises a good point, is this how he really feels?

The fact that Kasuga is really into books and European literature is interesting too. The fact that Kasuga is so interested in literature and how he said "they made me realize how little I know about the world", really reminded me of myself as a teenager. Saeki's reaction to Kasuga talking about books was really mysterious. It's almost like Saeki is just playing along so that she can get closer to Kasuga. Come to think of it, the whole date did seem kind of "forced". Hmmm what is Saeki really thinking?! Is she just nervous or does she want something more?!

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Attack on Titan Discussion

I knew it! The Titans swatted them down like flies like it was nothing! The most interesting bits in episode 5 were when the teacher talked about the Titans, and when Armin was talking about exploring the world outside the walls. They didn't really explain much that I hadn't already guessed, but I'm glad that they are taking the time to lay this stuff out explicitly.

Seeing the Titans eating humans never seems to get old. And neither does the bloody mechanical web-swinging action.

Is it bad that I don't care if Eren actually dies? All of the characters so far have been pretty flat. Perhaps this is some sort of meta-commentary on how viewers typically search for a "heroic protagonist" in fictional worlds and stories. And by killing off Eren, the creators are actually trying to show that flat, archetypal characters only exist within the confines of some story. That when the walls of the world to which these characters belong are broken down, and when they enter the real world (with the Titans), they don't stand a chance.

If that is the case, then wow this anime could be going some DARK places. There have been hints of fatalism, talk about how useless it is to try and fight against the Titans. Are they just prolonging their inevitable defeat? Well then you have to wonder, how exactly is it fun to watch something inevitable unfold? Definitely much to consider, I guess part of the reason I enjoy seeing the Titans eat humans is precisely because the Titans are eating these flat, archetypal, almost stand-in human characters.

Edit: Also I guess it doesn't hurt that the animation is really great.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Aku no Hana Series Discussion

Episode 4: "a big herd of dumb, slovenly seals." That was GREAT, I'll keep that in my vocabulary! I wonder if that was the exact wording in Japanese. The opening continues to captivate me. It's like adolescence screaming out triumphantly with pangs self-conscious remorse. It looks like each of the 3 main characters is going to get their chance at singing the opening (Kasuga, Nakamura and Saeki), maybe they will all sing together for the last 3 episode openings?

DAMN ,I felt myself wishing Kasuga would shout at Nakamura "GO AHEAD. TELL THE TRUTH, SEE IF I CARE." Like... at this point even if Nakamura let out the secret, Saeki might be able to forgive Kasuga anyway....Or not... Also I was tempted to say that a love triangle was forming. BUT it really doesn't look like Nakamura cares about anyone. For now I'll just stick with the idea that Nakamura just wants a plaything. Still it would be interesting to learn about Nakamura's family and past.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet Discussion

Well episode 4 was nice. Some pretty simple meaning-of-life topics to think about as Ledo talks to the Doctor and Babel. How Ledo, up until this point has been pretty much a narrow-minded automaton following the goal of defeating the Hideauze without really questioning it. But it looks like with that ocarina scene at the end, we get a glimpse of Ledo's younger brother?? (my guess) And a glimpse at why Ledo might have wanted to block out those memories and focus on a single goal, the goal of defeating the Hideauze.

The anime is pretty biased toward portraying Gargantia as a free, liberal state. Where people can follow their own goals, be happy and lead their own lives, get along etc. On the other hand the Galactic Alliance is portrayed as militaristic and totalitarian. Given the length of this anime, I don't think the anime is going to delve too much into those topics though.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Attack on Titan Discussion

Episode 4: Well things are starting to pick up pace. The rate at which almost everyone in the top 10 decided to follow Eren was kind of hilarious, but I didn't really expect much else. Just imagine the plot possibilities if Armin or some of the other guys decided to go to the Military Core instead of sticking with Eren and Mikasa. Then somehow later they reunite and share their stories about what happened, how life is like at the center as opposed to near the outside walls etc. Oh well, doesn't look like the series is really bothering too much about fleshing out life at the center of the walls.

Looks like it's focusing more on the ACKSHUN! Haha the peakaboo and wall-scaling at the end was pretty well-animated. And the forest training scene at the beginning was a nice contrast to the scene in the first episode where the Survey Group is facing an actual Titan. In this case Eren and the others are just facing dummies. Looking forward to see how they tackle the giant, red Titan next episode.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Attack on Titan Discussion

@rubberluffy: LOL took me a minute to figure out what you were talking about. Then I realized that the only relevant part of what you were quoting had nothing to do with my original post. It would have made more sense just to quote the part that you bolded. So basically your saying that the anime has already shifted from the pace of the manga, I think that's pretty obvious...

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet Discussion

So it looks like Ledo is all business. Can't really say that episode 3 has surprised me with anything. Some of the animation for the battles and the water effects were pretty well done though.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Attack on Titan Discussion

Interesting change of pace for episode 3. It feels like it's taking its time setting up the themes and stuff, which makes some of it feel a little generic and straight-forward. I'm still having a hard time seeing how those web-swinging mechanisms are supposed to help them defeat the Titans. Sure it increases mobility, but you still need a way to do damage! Perhaps it will be something like how the rebel fighterships took down the AT-ATs in the Battle of Hoth? At best it seems like they could harass the Titans by flying around and using hit-and-run tactics. At worst they could just be swatted down like flies. By the sounds of the preview it looks like they are going to have to face a titan next episode, which should shed some light on how they fight the Titans.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Aku no Hana Series Discussion

Just watched episode 3. So it seems that Nakamura is the real weirdo/hentai/pervert here. It looks like Nakamura kind of just wants a play thing to release whatever frustrations she has. I really wonder if they are going to delve into her story more. They hinted at her parents during Kasuga's conversation with her on the river bank. In contrast we were shown that Kasuga's parents seem to care about him a lot, worrying why he is staying out so late. BUT still Kasuga doesn't really have anyone that he can sincerely confide in, which is really the worst part of it. It's partly his own fault because he takes pride in the fact that he can appreciate literature like Baudelaire, and he thinks negatively about the town he lives in. Kasuga fears that if he confides in anyone they will think he is weird and won't understand him, including his parents, the teacher, his classmates, etc.

The scenery is weirdly peaceful. Combined with the slow pace, it's a really chill anime in a certain sense. Or perhaps "chilly" anime, given its relatively serious themes. When the class turned on Nakamura and Kasuga at the end there. DAMMN. I was almost tempted to dismiss it as "high school drama", but I thought, well adults do pretty much similar things in the workplace. Rumors, politics etc.

Lastly, the original creator has a great sense of humor with those ending cards. xD

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Aku no Hana Series Discussion

The actors for Flowers of Evil.
The actors for Flowers of Evil.

Edited (may 2, 2012): I'm not sure anymore if these are the actual actors or not. I've seen some sites claiming it is, other people saying it's not.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Aku no Hana Series Discussion

Ahh being a teenager. Why does this anime know me so well? Throughout my highschool years I had a crush on a girl with pale skin and long black hair. Yes she looked like Saeki-san. The relationship never went anywhere because I was a wimp. With that said the thought process that Kasuga goes through hits really really close to home.

On a lighter note, the ending theme kind of reminds me of the Phalanx Theme from Demon's Souls:

Skip to about 0:23 seconds of the Ending to hear similarity.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Attack on Titan Discussion

Second episode was nice. Pretty good set up so far, the animation is holding up nicely and the Titans continue to be a terrifying force! Couldn't help thinking of the Titanic during the ship boarding scene.. but I guess that's just how iconic that silly movie is.

Seeing as how the Titans don't have phalli, I'm still interested to learn where the Titans came from and how they continue to survive and procreate. I mean.. apparently those gigantic skinless Titan are a new development, since the walls can't hold them back.. So.. something(s) must have caused that development. Perhaps the Titans were created by a group of scientists/alchemists (FMA *cough*) and there were disagreements about whether this was ethical or not, which split the human population into two groups. Those that didn't support the creation of the Titans now live inside the walls, the other group lives somewhere else? This would fit with the whole "cattle" theme that they keep repeating, that to make the Titans you need to feed them humans.

Well whatever the plot turns out to be, I'm glad this series is getting 25 episodes, should be more than enough time to develop a good story.

P.S. Attack on Titan, Titanic.... coincidence?! o.O" yeah probably, haha.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet Discussion

So apparently the character designer Naruko Hanaharu also draws hentai. Pretty good hentai if I do say so myself.. *cough*

Well at the end of the first episode I couldn't stop thinking to myself "how did this idiot [Ledo] make it into the military?" Haha, I'm pretty sure this is on purpose though. At first Led seems like an awkward military person with little regard for the people living on Earth. Then slowly he gets to know them and become friends with them. Once the Alliance finds him, he doesn't really feel like leaving, or the Alliance decides to be aggressive toward Earth (trying to colonize it, use it as a military outpost or something). Then Ledo is stuck in between and forced to make a tough decisions to stay with Earth or not.

Something like that is what I think might happen.

Also the anime's allusions to global warming were amusing. Earth having an ice age, thus forcing people to leave? Judging by how Ledo has been talking about Earth being a myth, I guess the anime is set hundreds or even thousands of years after the supposed ice age.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Aku no Hana Series Discussion

NOTE: This is going to be a bit of a rant, but I'd rather post it here than any other anime site.

I ended up having a glimpse of the 'reverse-rape' scene and some comments on it, and I just ended up getting mad. One comment said essentially "it would have been the best of the season, if it were animated properly." Which made me think, "are there people who actually think anime like To Love-Ru are sexy or well-animated?" I guess this says more about my own aesthetic preferences than anything. I avoid watching anime that use baseball size eyes and ridiculous proportions. And that guideline has served me pretty well over the years.

Arg, I just feel like the people who are criticizing this anime are criticizing it for all the wrong reason, or don't realize their own biases going into it, or they bash it just because it is being creative and taking a risk. Maybe this says something about consumer entitlement. For example, apparently some people stopped reading K-ON when they realized that the girls might have boyfriends. As if the readers were entitled to have the story play out in a certain way, which meets their expectations or biases. I imagine that some people are criticizing Flowers of Evil for not sticking with the style of the manga, but this just goes back to the whole "manga vs. anime" debate. The viewer/reader shouldn't feel like the creators owe them something to make the anime a certain way or tell the story in a certain way.

With that said, certainly we can discuss how various creative decisions impact the overall storytelling and what themes are brought out. And it would be interesting to see if someone could present a good argument for why rotoscoping negatively impacts the story of Flowers of Evil. But so far the criticisms of Flowers of Evil seem very shallow.

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Hanasaku Iroha » Submit for interview with Hanasaku Iroha's creator (by Apr19)

Crunchyroll has landed an interview with Mari Okada, the writer of successful anime such as AnoHana, Hanasaku Iroha and Wandering Son. Log in to Crunchyroll to submit your question and maybe they will ask it in the interview!

edit: Woops I screwed up the title, "Submit questions for interview..." should have been.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Aku no Hana Series Discussion

This is great so far! Awesome to see an anime going against the current trend of animation. The first episode worked really well with setting up the tone of the show.

For all the hubbub about how the characters look, the scenery and background art is fantastic. I mean just look at these:

I really appreciate that they went with rotoscoping. I'm really glad they DID NOT go with the typical moe character design. It made Sawa that much more creepy and scary when she went up to the teacher.

Also by having it rotoscoped, it reminds the audience that "hey this is animation, and we're tracing actual people's movements to do this. So if you think this looks bad, then just look at the way YOU move about, or watch how other people in real life move." It encourages the viewer to think twice about animation, what we think looks 'right/good/cute'.

I think that is really why some people are having such a hard time with it. They get so used to seeing a certain type of animation that they forget what animation is actually based on, real movement in real life!

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Attack on Titan Discussion

Just watched the first episode. Wow some of the art and animation is really really well done. I hope it keeps it up for the rest of the series. The sound and music direction is pretty solid too, I like what they did with the sounds of the horses when the Survey Group came back.

Damn the last scene in the first ep with the Titan eating Eren's mom reminded me of Evangelion. How the EVAs go into beast mode.

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