@debeze said:
OP.. KI/energy are the same :D
Yeah, I agree that Carol should be able to absorb Ki. However, there are a lot of people who will get all up on you because there aren't any feats to prove it, so I didn't want it to seem like I was stating that as fact.
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@ArtsyGal said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
Goku sure gets overrated by certain people. But lately people keep making spite battles against him, which is a little too much tbh.
Well, this is not meant to be spite whatsoever. However, I am glad to see that Binary comes out on top in this match.
Just curious as to why you choose Goku since you say you know nothing about DBZ?
Well, I just mean that I'm not that much of DBZ person. I just know what I've read throughout the internet (various character profiles, forums, etc.).
@SpeedForceSpider said:
Goku sure gets overrated by certain people. But lately people keep making spite battles against him, which is a little too much tbh.
Well, this is not meant to be spite whatsoever. However, I am glad to see that Binary comes out on top in this match.
@debeze said:
i was being sarcastic lol ... is obvious that people hate goku and everyone wants him to lose just because he has alot of fanboys..
@OP
Why are u only giving the advantage to one side?
@Kurohige ehh?? A character doesnt have to be the strongest to be anyones favorite...
goku has faced enemies that can absorb energy before..
if he cant blast her away.. he can just do what he did with vegeta fight her with almost no energy beans
I honestly thought they were well matched. I mean, Binary does have the advantage, but I thought Goku could do something. Just goes to show how I know absolutely nothing about Dragon Ball Z. And also, Carol is in class 100 (as Binary) and has received proper military training.
@debeze said:
stop making goku threads goddamnit...
in conclusion everyone can beat goku...
a close match for him is ash from pokemon or yu gi!!
I agree that Goku isn't nearly as strong as people claim he is, but he's definitely not that weak.
@Kurohige said:
@ArtsyGal: Yeah I think she is although I have been reading the Ultamate series lately so i wouldn't know for sure, but yes, I think it really depends on her durability however those attacks can most likely put Goku down as well, it can go either way, if she is faster than light as well as class 100 Goku may only have his instant transmission to really get him out of this. My knowledge on both characters is a bit shaky since I'm not a big fan of either one but I give a slight edge to Binary but I can still see Goku winning this with his H2H assuming he does not start off with the famous planet busting attack right off the bat lol
Hmm, yeah. Binary has the edge in strength and speed. Plus, she can absorb energy, so there's that. Then their energy projection abilities are pretty evened out, leaving Goku with nothing but IT, which I don't think can be that useful in this battle.
@Kurohige said:
Well Goku dies since the battle take place in space near earth where Goku can't breath XD lol jk Although I think wins, Binary actually busted a planet too, now I know Goku can do that easily too but she also has energy absorption leaving Goku with limited options in this fight. He is here absorbing energy and busting a planet:
Binary is capable of absorbing several types of energy including magic, so I see no reason ki would be any different. Keep in mind she flew through White Holes and was at one point above Silver surfer too I believe. But I think if Goku can use IT and keep close he can win, but she had some other impressive feats too, but she hasn't done much lately.
Oh wow, I had that scan ready in case it was needed!
Yeah, I also think Binary has the advantage, but I didn't want to trust my opinion completely since I'm not that big on DBZ. I also know that as Binary, Carol is at least light speed (I think she's faster) and is in class 100. And yes, ki absorption is very reasonable, but then again, that's just a speculation. I see no reason why she couldn't absorb ki, but I don't want to be claiming that as a fact or anything. And isn't she Captain Marvel right now?
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Round 2: Morals off, one week of prep (both can consult to anyone willing to help them)
@SMXLR8 said:
@ArtsyGal: I don't think so ww and superman are both strong so it would not be easy for thor
Good point. I'm not that big on comics, especially Marvel comics. Plus, Wonder Woman has Zeus's lightning now, so now she finally has firepower.
Anyways, back on topic. I don't know much about Ghost Rider, so I'm going to say Sailor Moon for now.
@SilverGalford said:
@MarioRedfield said:
Considering I've heard people claim she can beat Superman, Goku, and Thor all super, super easily, I don't think Ghost Rider can manage the over powered little cheer leader
she can't beat Thor ,normal Thor can even give her hell . besides, you use sailor moon cosmos , i use Thor Odin force and other powerful ones that really beat the hell out of her.
I don't know much about Thor, so I'm not going to comment on that. I'm pretty sure that he beats both Wonder Woman and Superman, DC's powerhouses, though.
@MarioRedfield said:
Interesting, so in her super form how would she stand up to someone like Goku?
Because when she's in her weaker Super form, she becomes Goku's equal. She doesn't have as many hax abilities as she does when in her Eternal or Cosmos form, and her firepower becomes on par with Goku's. However, that's a different argument and I'm not going to go into that.
@deathmonger said:
@ArtsyGal said:
Feats for Ghost Rider?
He defeated Dr.Strange once
Stalemated WWH Hulk (Second most powerful Hulk) and defeated classic Hulk
He has more but I'm to lazy to name them
Hmm, impressive.
Eh, Hulk is just a physical brute, while Usagi has literally no physical ability, so that's pretty much irrelevant (unless I'm missing something here).
Sailor Moon might win. Even without her Eternal or Cosmos forms, she might have enough power to take him down. In her Super form (her second form), she's still on planet busting level, can fly, doesn't require oxygen, etc., but I'm not entirely sure about her speed in this form. She's also shown some unique abilities in both her Super and base forms, which include, but are not limited to, telekinesis, telepathy, infinite energy/super energy regeneration(?), and the ability to bring entire planets back to life (although she was in her Princess form when she did this, but she accessed that form while in her Super form). I think she also has FTL speed in her Super form as well, since she has flown between the moon and the Earth easily.
However, I wouldn't mind if a comic guru came and defended Ghost Rider. I mean, I'm very limited in comic knowledge, so I would love to have someone who knows a thing or two about comics defend Usagi's opponent.
@MarioRedfield said:
Considering I've heard people claim she can beat Superman, Goku, and Thor all super, super easily, I don't think Ghost Rider can manage the over powered little cheer leader
That's when she's in her Eternal or Cosmos form. This is her Super form.
I'll do one of Sailor Moon ;)
I don't know if Madoka characters will ever be used for battles, so I'm not sure about that.
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Feats for Ghost Rider?
@Linkin_Park said:
Goku
I don't even need to state all of Usagi's feats, only one:
Sailor Cosmos can manipulate time and space.
@ohgodwhy said:
@rpgr: Yes Cell stated that but actual feats prove he can't do anything even close to Solar System Busting. Just think about how much bigger the solar system is compared to planet Earth and like I said before do the maths based on power levels. There was a thread earlier where I did a simple maths formula but I can't find it at the moment but basically the conclusion was that no one in DBZ can destroy the solar system.
Check through most threads, you'll realise that there aren't any legit solar system busters in DBZ unless it's some raving fanboy just yapping his mouth and providing no actual evidence or feats.
There's Goku putting quite a lot of energy into a Kamehama wave yet the most it can do it wipe out the Earth? Even when it hits Cell from point blank range, you would expect the Earth to be wiped out or something surely. Then there's Cell's early ki blast on the video. Cell looks a little fatigued after firing off the blast, yet at the most that looked like a mountain busting attack. If Cell was truly a solar system buster then an attack with <0.01% ki charge would easily wipe out the Earth.
In the maths equation I did I came to the conclusion that it would probably take a power level of 9000 to take out the Earth. That's a very low powerlevel and people have stated that it would take a lot more than that to take out the Earth, but let's just use 9000 for arguement's sake. The Sun is 1,300,000x times the volume of the Earth. There is no one in DBZ with anywhere near a power level that high, not even Gogeta and certainly not Cell.
I don't know if they are faster than light or not though, that's highly debatable but at the moment I'm leaning towards the fact that they are.
Yeah, Goku and Cell seem fatigued after their attacks.
And it doesn't really matter if they're faster than light. It only matters if they're billions of times the speed of light, since that's what Usagi is.
And on a side note, the time when Goku flew up in the air at 0:26 really reminded me of the Powerpuff Girls.
@rpgr said:
@ohgodwhy: Wrong, Cell stated he could destroy a solar system. DBZ are faster than light and are star busters, probably multi star busters but are not galaxy busters.
Eternal Sailor moon is a universe buster through energy projection but has weak defenses.
...Universe buster? I'm rooting for Usagi ATM, but she isn't a universe buster. Her greatest damage capacity is at least 4 million solar masses.
She's actually pretty durable. Sailor Moon can survive planet busting attacks and (Sailor Cosmos can) create shields that can block planet busting attacks with ease. These are good enough since Goku is only a planet buster, so that means she can tank and block his attacks.
@Greysmokeman said:
what kind of answear is i dont care?i dont give a damn dime if you take me seriously the scouts NEVER SHOWED THAT SPEED IN COMBAT=FACT.......A........B..........in db power=speed...in the end of dbz and GT they were millions times stronger.and faster than in dragonball,(when they were just supersonic).....C Buuhan was a UNIVERSAL BUSTER.....DENDE ACTUALLY SAID IT....and vegeto DEFEATED HIM....AND IN GT they defeated omega shenron who could destroy the universe with a part of his power......KIRISUTE GOMEN=PERMISSION TO CUT YOU DOWN.......(I JUST DID)
I said I don't care because it's irrelevant to what her speed advantage can do. Sailor Moon can't perform h2h combat, so reaction time is fairly irrelevant. Her speed advantage grants her the ability to get far away enough to blast him with her powers. That would be traveling to get to somewhere safer, which is something that the manga showed she was capable of.
Uh, then okay. Goku is a planet buster, so I guess planet busting means hypersonic, since that's what he is.
Character claims are impossible to trust. It's even less trustworthy if that's from the dub. And DBZ characters can't even destroy a star, much less a universe.
GT is non-canon, along with the movies. The anime seasons that correspond to the manga count, though, like DBZ and such.
...What? I can't understand anything you said after that.
@Butcher_Pete said:
@chrono122: Well, Goku specifically said they didnt have enough power to deflect Buu's blast capable of only destroying the Earth 10 times over, and fled from it... leaving everyone to die. So, there goes Galaxy busting, and there goes Galaxy level durability...
It doesn't matter. She can control time and space. She can freeze time and kill him, send him to the time of the Big Bang, send him into another dimension and seal it off forever, send him to the Fourth Dimension, etc.
@DBZ_universe: Oh, okay lol
And what IS BFR? I've heard it a lot of times, but I still don't know what it is.
@DBZ_universe: Well, Chaos (the galaxy's source of evil; the final enemy in the SM series) was able to cause destruction and ruin to the entire galaxy, and Usagi was stronger than it. And okay, I get the space breathing thing. Usagi can breathe in space, too, anyways, so I guess it doesn't really matter now.
But Sailor Cosmos has time and space manipulation. She could travel through time and send others through time, as well, with no limits. Also, since her Cosmos Crystal allows her to use the powers of all of the Sailor Soldiers, then that means that she can stop time, manipulate dimensions, etc., since Pluto was shown to be able to do such things. However, Sailor Cosmos has no limit to her powers like Pluto does (Pluto is restricted by three taboos that are there so that she can't disrupt anything. Breaking the taboos will result in a punishment for her), so she can do whatever she wants with time and space.
With her time and space powers, Usagi could do a lot of things to defeat Goku.
A) Freeze time and kill him.
B) Send him to the time of the Big Bang.
C) Send him to another dimension and seal it off forever. This would make it impossible to open or destroy, even by Sailor Cosmos herself.
D) Send him to the Fourth Dimension.
E) Travel back in time and kill his mother before he's born (this one's horrible, though, and Usagi would never do this if we're putting in morals).
