AgentJ (Level 13)

Batman is Anime, and Zelda's an RPG. These are a few of the most dumbest (sic) things.
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Off-Topic » why should I go live in america?

@fire_star said:
@AgentJ said:
@fire_star said:
@AgentJ: YOU BETTER BE !  I kidd, I kidd XD
Oh no, MORE portlanders on Animevice? I'm getting tired of all these Timbers up in my Sounders territory. 
Nope, not a Portlander. 
(sigh of relief) :P
Post by AgentJ (1,545 posts) See mini bio Level 13

Off-Topic » why should I go live in america?

@fire_star said:
@AgentJ: YOU BETTER BE !  I kidd, I kidd XD
Oh no, MORE portlanders on Animevice? I'm getting tired of all these Timbers up in my Sounders territory. 
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Off-Topic » Name That Tune (Anime Edition)

This one is in my wheelhouse! The ending to Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad: My World Down
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Off-Topic » why should I go live in america?

@Destinyheroknight said:

Just another country, nothing really great

@YouFinished:

Too much concrete, man.

Not in Portland

Yeah, but Portland sucks in so many other ways :P 
 
I kidd, I kidd
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General Discussion » Vicer Of The Month: June Nominations

I'll go FoxFire. Seems like he'd be the most fitting recipient of the first of these. 
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Off-Topic » Name That Tune (Anime Edition)

People are frustratingly-good at this....
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General Discussion » How do you feel about Sasuke Uchiha's development?

@Destinyheroknight: That picture, so epic... it's melting my face off! 
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General Discussion » How do you feel about Sasuke Uchiha's development?

@mrassh0le: On the contrary, I'm letting you have the last word. I've made my point, and reducing each point that you want to argue with me about until we're talking about how Sasuke's shoes symbolize some dramatic transformation isn't going to help either of us. Also, I have better things to do than analyze a manga I haven't read for several months now.  
Also, if this was something that you were concerned about "winning", than you are missing the point. Its a discussion, not a competition. 
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Just Manga » Top-Selling Manga in Japan by Series: 2011 (First Half)

@MohsinMan99 said:
@AgentJ said:
Really interesting to see how popular Gintama has become.  They've stopped translating it here, right?  I'll never understand the appeal of Toriko though. Blegh. 
Second that. What's good about all that food when it's totally something you can't make and something you can't eat?
Lol, that is exactly right :P
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Battles » The Admirals vs Prime Espada

Admirals by a landslide. Barragon is the only one that stands a chance. 
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Battles » Nami vs Sakura

Based on those pictures... I'm pretty sure Nami wins
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Bug Reporting » Problems in animevice ....again

@fire_star said:
@mrassh0le: First off, it would be helpful to the Staffers to know more information than just the problem your having, try following the format as seen HERE. Sounds to me like you are having a similar problem I was having a few weeks ago, I ended up having to switch to Google Chrome. However, ethan did request that I clear my Browser Cache first, I did that with no results. Perhaps you can try those things before anything else, they helped me get through what I believe to be the same problem your having now. Let us know how it turns out.
A shame you had to "switch" to google chrome. It really is the best :P
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Battles » Petition Time: Banning of DBZ vs Comic Characters Battle Threads

Anything that will lead to more interesting battles. Do it. 
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Just Manga » Top-Selling Manga in Japan by Series: 2011 (First Half)

Really interesting to see how popular Gintama has become.  They've stopped translating it here, right? 
 
I'll never understand the appeal of Toriko though. Blegh. 
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Just Manga » Favorite Manga?

It appears we're actually doing lists... Hrm... 
 
1. Eyeshield 21 
2. Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad (or what I have read of it) 
3. Vagabond (just beautiful) 
4. Monster 
5. Bleach (how a manga could be so much better than its anime adaption I'm not sure) 
6. Welcome to the NHK 
7. Chrono Crusade (again, a manga heads and tails better than the eventual anime)
8. Hikaru no Go (making playing a board game interesting for 22 volumes is a small miracle) 
9. Air Gear 
10. Pretty Face (totally a guilty pleasure) 
11. Negima 
12. Yu Yu Hakusho 
13. Fullmetal Alchemist 
14. Claymore 
15. Kurohime
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General Discussion » How do you feel about Sasuke Uchiha's development?

@mrassh0le said:
I find it weird how many poeples hate sasuke for being an ass but don't have other vilains .And how is Sasuke annoying?Is fights are usually entertaining and I don't see how is vengeance is annoying.I mean tons of characters have motives for fighting that they keep going on and on about like Afro Samurai and Alucard yet nobody says they are annoying.  "What I'm saying is that Sasuke needed to come back to team 7 at some point, for all the same reasons that it was powerful to leave in the first place. He was a puzzle piece, a necessary aspect in Naruto's and Sakura's lives. And while that made his betrayal compelling, it also stunted the series irreparably. "   As you said Agent it would have been cliched for Sasuke to do this.And stunted the serie irreparably?I think  Sasuke going away helped develop for the better Naruto and Sakura and how was  he neccessary to Naruto and Sakura.As for him being an element in.I don't think the character is generic Sakura and Naruto's lives, do you mean that him going was bad because it made the characters less interesting or  do you simply not approve of himletting his friends down.It you mean the later then I don't think that this is a reason to say the development itself would be bad it is simply you disliking a character not the means the author used to develop him .If you mean that the characters of Naruto and Sakura were better I think I would disagree with that  Sakura is definitely a better character then before the skip and Naruto is more serious and mature then before the skip.   "He isn't "real" any more. His character is definied by taking revenge, without any other side to him. " In a way that is why is development is good, he went from being this Sasuke kid which was just another rival to becoming this monster .Kind of like Light Yagami, he goes from being this simple High school kid to becoming a sociopath at the end.
As usual, I'm having a somewhat difficult time making heads or tails of your "engrish" so if I don't quite understand one of your points, just point out where I misunderstood and I'll re-respond.  I'd like to remind you that punctuation and the enter key are your friends. 

  • I wasn't calling him an ass or annoying, so I assume that first part is meant for someone else.   
  • I would have preferred a cliche (not like Naruto wasn't full of them already. "Child that isn't good at anything suddenly finding that he has amazing power" is just the most blunt and obvious of them) over whitewashing a character that made Naruto compelling.  Great stories can be cliched, and often are because great themes, tones, and events are worth repeating. Shit stories can have unbelievable twists. (M Night Shyamalan on the phone for you) Throwing in unexpected events because it will be surprising doesn't necessarily improve a story in the long run, and is often detrimental. 
  •  Frankly, at least in my opinion, no character in the series was better off for Sasuke's betrayal. Naruto went from a bright bouncy kid who hid his deep emotional scars under his skin to a pre-teen more than willing to show those scars off to everyone who would look. Sakura pre-skip was a girl who had long held a crush for the obvious source; a cute, high-achieving, mysterious boy who hardly notices her affections. Through luck of the draw she's paired with him and an obnoxious blondie she actively hates, but over time she begins to go through a transformation (like all good characters do) and see what Naruto really is. Stunted may be the perfect word for what happened to her growth, as we haven't really seen her come any closer than this to a resolution. Sure, she was about to kill Sasuke, but it was clear that wasn't something she wanted to do, just as she didn't really confess her love for Naruto. And we haven't seen a single story about her struggle as a female ninja since she fought Ino in the Chuunin arc. These characters haven't "matured" or "developed". One has stayed in cryostasis while the other has actively devolved, or immatured. They are stale, crusty shells of their former selves. There's no meaning, no motivation to their actions beyond "Sasuke" any more. Like Sasuke, they are no longer "real".
  • The original Team 7 had a perfectly balanced cast in nearly every measurable way. Each character's personality and motivations reflected and meshed with each other. I mentioned the "Overachiever vs Underdog" idea in the other post, but Sakura is the third aspect, in the middle of the road. Their interactions, including their teacher Kakashi, go beyond simple story formulas or character scripting, and speak to something Kishimoto got very right early in the series. Their scenes together were full of chemistry, and jumped off the page, the same way good actors can make a scene sizzle (I hear this is present between Xavier and Magneto in the latest X-men movie). But like when you take a piece out of a three-section puzzle, losing Sasuke caused that wonderful balance to go awry. Not only did it rid the team of Naruto's only rival, one he was able to continually measure his own progress against (far more interesting than some phantom spectre that only shows up every five dozen chapters), It also added that new, boring, all-encompassing motivation: find Sasuke. And Sakura lost her tool of progress. 
  • Sasuke doesn't appear to me as a "monster". In fact, he never really seems all that threatening. For all the fancy ninjutsu he pulls out, he lacks the sense of unpredictability that a good sociopath has, or the malice that a good villain has. He hasn't done anything to be viewed as threatening (at least, he hadn't when I stopped reading just after Kakashi vs Zabuza redux). And while Light Yagami slowly changed over time from wanting to make the world a better place to simply killing anyone that threatened him, Sasuke flipped at the drop of a hat and hasn't changed since. There has been no evolution to the character because he has been in a holding pattern; he is simply being held until he can have his epic battle with Naruto. And this is where I find some fault with the author. It seems to me that Kishimoto, since the Waterfall, has had this grand conclusion pictured in his mind, and has single-mindedly charged towards this end. I think the characters, either consciously or otherwise, have reflected that, simply going through the motions until all the plot points line up. There have been flashes of the old "Naruto", mostly through side characters. Hinata finally finding her courage both on the battlefield and for Naruto. Shikamaru finding his purpose, and his motivation. Gaara becoming the born leader he was meant to be. But almost universally, the characters that we see now in the fire country are the same ones we were introduced to after three years had passed. 
In the interest of legibility I've declined to make some further points, as things would become too complicated and I'd be thinking circles around myself.  
By the way; no, I'm not going to play post-tag again with you, MrAsshole. After this post and clearing up any misunderstandings I may have had with your reply, I'll be done with this topic, at least on your end. If anyone else wants to discuss this in a coherent way, without zooming in on each point until the original idea is lost, then I'm more than happy to.  
@sharingan_eyes: Thank you for the high-five, and I agree; the Itachi fight would have been another excellent point for him to come to his senses. Unfortunately, it appears that was Kishimoto's last chance to get it right, and he whiffed. It really is a shame. I would have quite enjoyed a few more adventures with the original team-7, to the point I might have bothered watching the fillers if the team had stayed intact. I don't mind Sai as a character; in fact I quite like him. But he never did fit in the same way Sasuke did, and was handled rather poorly. 
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General Discussion » How do you feel about Sasuke Uchiha's development?

@taichokage said:
To me he is the most annoying Naruto character, second only to Sakura. But his development wasn't so bad. At least he had a couple years to develop to the semi hax self that he is now instead of his power just springing out of nowhere like shonen anime likes to do. But he went from being a rival to an enemy and a jerk to an apathetic as$hole. Naruto has had no competition since then and as a result of Sasuke leaving, Naruto himself was very annoying because he focused only on getting Sasuke back and acted like a baby along the way.
You said it far better than I, and with a tenth of the words :P
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General Discussion » When should I start watching Trigun?

@ninjadude853 said:
Episode 5 is where the filler ends.    Episode 12 is where shit gets real.  EDIT: But for the love of God, SKIP EPISODE 14. It sucks.
There ya go. The series is definitely worth a watch. Any good show takes some time to introduce characters early on, even one as short as Trigun. 
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General Discussion » How do you feel about Sasuke Uchiha's development?

@mrassh0le said:
I think it's good AgentJ what do you mean by solid character
He was a rival, and a better-than-average one at that. Naruto and Sasuke seemed to have a healthy relationship founded on the classic "overachiever vs underdog", with just a hint of comrade re building subtly over time. The Zabuza arc did a brilliant job of fleshing out what our main characters were, as well as believably progressing them along their own paths.  
I was also a fan of the jonin (or was it chuunin?) arc, where Kishimoto set the stage for what would come in the pre-time skip future. Sasuke meets Orochimaru and has to start dealing with his curse, which becomes part of his growing inferiority complex with Naruto. Sasuke has been the best at what he does for most of his life, and now he's beginning to be overshadowed by someone that wasn't even on his radar before. I'm sure most people can identify with his feelings as he lies powerless to help while his "rival" succeeds in his place. 
His motivations for leaving are strong, there's no denying that. But his character was never better after he left. Would it have been cliche for Sasuke to change his mind after the waterfall fight? Absolutely. But I would have vastly preferred cliche over another cold, brooding psychopath with a heavy grudge. The character completely changes without a convincing reason. Before, Sasuke was like any other good character in fiction. He was somewhat likable, had strong points, but also had obvious weaknesses and deficiencies. He was real. And even as the antithesis of the main character, he grew on the audience over time. But after the time skip, he becomes generic, single-minded, and two-dimensional. He isn't "real" any more. His character is definied by taking revenge, without any other side to him. The reason why so many liked Itachi is because there was more to him (not to mention the nail polish and fish-nets). His motivations were interesting.  
What I'm saying is that Sasuke needed to come back to team 7 at some point, for all the same reasons that it was powerful to leave in the first place. He was a puzzle piece, a necessary aspect in Naruto's and Sakura's lives. And while that made his betrayal compelling, it also stunted the series irreparably. Ideally, after beating Naruto at the waterfall, Sasuke would have realized what was going on and carried Naruto back to the village, understanding that he, like Naruto, has made friends among his peers. I'm still hoping that at some point in the near future this is what takes place, but at this point, he has probably done too much to ever be accepted again. And if they do welcome him back with open arms, that will be some bad writing. A plot-hole, even. :P 
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