@Kobra678: In a stomp?
Senji was pulling off supersonic slashes with his Invisible black.
@Kobra678: In a stomp?
Senji was pulling off supersonic slashes with his Invisible black.
@TheNeutralOne: No. You keep ignoring the fact that Pein could absorb them with Preta Path and Itachi gas Genjutsu.
K so you don't believe madara was stabbed in the back by the 1st hokage with a regular kunai? You sir have never read naruto not me.
Madara cannot summon the meteors out of edo because if he did he would die. Not to mention without perfect susano'o kizaru could 1hit madara, aokiji could simply get close and freeze him and akainu could rain magma on him. Same goes for hashirama without the godess. Of course they have other abilities but they can be by passed by speed and other attacks. The only thing that makes hashirama so great is that goddess and his huge chakra reserves. Other than that he can be hurt just like any other ninja.
There are literally no speed feats of tobi, itachi or pein that can put them on the admirals level. No durability feats. No strength feats. So how exactly do you think they could possibly stand a chance? You are the one being a fanboy. I have no problem admitting when characters win. I even laugh when retards put juubito up against the admirals. But to suggest mid tier characters with no speed, durability or strength feats to back can fight against the admirals is just borderline fanboy.
You have also yet to prove how they avoid being instant freezed save for that yata mirror. Which kizaru can bust down. They all can get blitzed and one hit and that is a fact. Anything other than that is for you to provide visible feats. Everyone here knows the admirals can beat on these mid tiers except you.
Resulting to calling me a terrible debater? Is it because I won't agree with you? Is it because I have facts on my side while you are trying to be oblivious to the terrible things that happen to who I am assuming your favourite characters. Your whole arguments are going off the assumption that kizaru doesn't blitz them all first.
Chibaku tensei is literally the only threat here. That takes prep time. It is a fact that aokiji can freeze the meteor he used against naruto and the likes and it is also a fact that kizaru can shoot it with light lazers. Akainu can in fact blast it with hundreds of large magma fists that can break it. They do indeed have a barrier that was capable of blocking a quake from whitebeard. Kizaru can indeed kick them so hard they will die. Aokiji can freeze them all before they realize it. Akainu can rain magma fists vaporizing most of them. None of this is baseless.
Also just so you know I read the entire HST among other manga. I don't argue without knowledge of all three manga. I am up to date with all of them and it is not my fault that naruto has glass canons, one piece has tanks and bleach are like a mixture of the two.
Sigh. I'm tired of repeating myself if you're going to continue disregarding the facts I've repeated countlessly on this thread.
Btw that wasn't a Kunai, that was a sword.
LOL madara without the perfect susano'o has no defense against the admirals. Go look at any thread with him fighting them and see if any of the arguments don't include "they can't get passed the perfect susano'o." Madara was stabbed and fatally wounded by a regular kunai sir. Exit is at the top right hand corner of your comp if you haven't seen that manga chapter.
Also hypersonic+ based off of what? Obito with the juubi sure I'm happy to give him that but itachi and pein. Nope not at all.
Lol k so answer to the chibaku tensei is they form the same shield they did against whitebeards quake. Solution two would be for aokiji to turn it into ice. Kizaru could spam his lightbeams and break it apart. Akainu could launch hundreds of magma fists at it to break it apart. You make it sound like the technique is invincible because it killed people with nothing more than building level durability.
LOL none of the admirals will be absorbed by that path of pein. They are not made of chakra, have no chakra system and are the natural elements themselves. They are not ice or magma manipulators they are the living embodiment of those elements.
That being said all of them can easily get the instant freeze treatment. The only one i will let slide is itachi for his yata mirror but alas light is not an element and that susano'o will get rocked to pieces by kizaru.
Seriously that akatsuki have no way out here. Arguing for them is pretty pointless. There are no feats that can be provided that will stop the inevitable beating. Find a better match for them and move on. Luffy, zoro and sanji can beat them and they are all weaker than the admirals bro.
Lol? Kunai? You obviously don't know jack shit about Naruto manga otherwise you would've known that Madara has never been "Fatally" wounded by a kunai before... And his Rinnegan counters anything Akainu or Akoiji have to throw at him, I don't care about other people arguments, stop trying to change the topic. Madara has the ability to summon space rocks, that's enough to puts the Admirals down together. And you also have Wood Style, Susano'o Army, and Genjutsu to add in, I highly doubt PS would be necessary against the Admirals, and if it was, it would be used for a short term on his behalf.
Hashirama's Thousand Arm Goddess wouldn't be necessary either, Madara's PS combined with the Kyuubi wasn't even enough for it, I don't know what makes you think the Admirals have anything that could rival PS or the Thousand Arm Goddess.
Your making the whole fight out to be as if the Akatsuki are going to just stand there and do nothing, you're a total fanboy at that, I'm just being logical. And you just confirmed by point on them being absorbed, they're elements thusly they're easier to absorb hence why Preta Path would pose a problem (If we are equalizing both Verses energies.)
Arguing? You're the only one ignoring facts that I've repeated over and over, you're one of the worse debaters I've met on here because he deliberately act as though you have no knowledge over Naruto when you do, and try acting as though all Naruto characters are completely inferior to the likes of OP.
You're seriously going to bring up baseless claims? Nagato decimated a few mountains with the Chibaku Tensei, Itachi has genjustu capable of controlling one's perception and reality, and Tobi (with the Rinnegan and Six Paths) has the ability to summon and control Seven Tailed Beasts under his whim.
You're arguing as though I'm saying Team Akatsuki win, I agree they'll probably lose, but all I'm saying is that this fight isn't going down as easy as you're making it out to be. Also, don't post anymore retarded claims until you explain to me why the three members of the Akatsuki wouldn't be able to hold their own against the Admirals. I've provided you with enough information on why the Akatsuki would stand a chance versus Luffy or Zoro.
Captains win, they win by numbers and power, but...
If we are implying that these are the Akatsuki in their strongest:
Obito with his Six Paths
then I might say otherwise, until then the Captains got this in a bag.
Like i said i'm not underestimating them. You are just overestimating them.
You think because it says intangibility off the akatsuki stand a chance? All the intangibility does is make it so they don't have to defend. They all have high levels of armament haki. It took a island splitting quake from whitebeard to cripple akainu.
Planetary devastation will not catch kizaru. And Idk if you noticed but people like law,doflamingo and the new admiral easily avoid larger meteors. law and dofi aren't on admiral level. Kizaru survived that island nuke at point blank range. Well I should say he escaped it. Even if planetary devastation didn't have a charge time it wouldn't get to them. Lol akainu would just do the same thing he did to jozu's rocks. Set them on fire and launch them as make shift meteors.
None of the characters can survive a kick or attack from the admirals. Saying that is just ridiculous and you know it. NO NARUTO CHARACTER AT BASE IS ABOVE BUILDING LEVEL. Let alone multi building level. Their are only very few and even high tiers like madara was killed by simply stabbing him with a kunai. Kizaru's light beam kick that he fired as a warning shot detroyed a tree towering over the city in sabodi and it was wider and larger than the city by a great deal. And he casually broke it. They are not surviving one hit. I will give you the susano'o being able to take it but it will break if he spams them.
I say obito is the most prominent threat because if he sees that they get taken out he will no to simply kamui his whole self. However if he gets hit first then well game over for him.
The animal path is worthless. All the paths are worthless. They all get the aokiji instant freeze treatment. These admirals can casually out speed a gear second luffy. Itachi, pein and obito stand no chance.
You believe I'm underestimating because someone decided to put these three on their own with high tier heavy hitters who have some degree of hax and high speed, durability and strength. If there are plausible arguments for them versus hashirama and madara how do these mid tiers survive. The only thing that protects hashirama and madara from teh admirals are the godess and perfect susano'o. Without those defenses they would be just as vulnerable to strikes as everyone else.
Also the reason why I don't bring up observation haki is because I have never seen any prominent feats for them with observation haki. Sure we know they should have it but with no prominent feats I will not argue such a thing.
Akainu and Akoji would be defenseless against Chibaku Tensei because for one:
It creates a gravitational orbit that pulls all things into it eventually clustering everything into a mini moon, throwing rocks won't work because they're only going to be pulled back by it because of its suction.
That wasn't a city, that was a town, I remember that because I watched that episode when it came out.
Obito isn't a threat, he's not going to touch Akainu or Aokiji in the risk of losing his arm or worse.
Pein, Itachi, and Obito are all hypersonic+ so speed is out of the equation. If we were to equalize their energies, this would make Preta Path's abilities far more dangerous because it can absorb chakra elements leaving the admirals vulnerable to dying from absorption.
Madara and Hashirama are entirely on a different level than the Admirals are, they're arguably stronger by a long shot (Excluding Kizaru.) Madara wouldn't need PS to defeat someone like Akainu or Akoiji, all he has to do is absorb them or crush them with a meteorite.
Given your last statement, this verifies that Genjutsu would work then, if that's the case, the Admirals are going to have a harder time in beating the Akatsuki than before given Itachi's genjutsu.
Also, if any were to die, as stated earlier, Pein could resurrect them as he did with the Leaf Village and his Paths.
I'm not saying the Akatsuki would win but the Admirals are likely going to have a difficult time in beating the Akatsuki because of their hax'ness. The admirals likely win because of Kizaru, he's the true threat here.
Sasori attacks are too unpredictable for someone like Deidara to handle so stop claiming that Deidara is stronger than someone like Sasori because he lost to Sakura and Chioy, Sakura was prepped with a cure for his poison, and Chiyo had knowledge on all of his attacks.
Anyways, Sasori is a non-factor in this fight without poison.
It goes down between Kakuzu and Kisame, I think Kakuzu should take this because of his lightning and earth abilities.
I understand the akatsuki members are strong. But you are severely underestimating the admirals. None of these members have any means whatsoever of surviving the first 10seconds. Kizaru's can control teh speed at which he uses the yata mirrors. The first time he used it was to show us it. Right after using it he used it instantaneously to appear in front of drake. There are many instances in which you see just the teleporting and no charge up at all and it is instaneous.
None of them can survive a kick from kizaru. Having more than one set of eyes doesn't help you see what can't be seen in the first place. What happens if kizaru just casually spams his light beams from a distance? It'll just open holes in all of them before they can realize. Considering they are light and not lazers.
Aokiji can insta freeze. There is no argument to counter that. All he has to do is touch teh ground and they are done. The susano'o included. The yata mirror does not cover the entire susano'o. Its only in the left hand. Aokiji's attack isn't like in naruto where they shoot straight forward fire blasts and water attacks. Its full aoe. Meaning unless that thing can cover the whole body at once it is done. Not to mention the susnao'o puts a serious strain on the users body. Even assuming he could keep up enough to block aokiji's first attack he can't keep it up the whole fight.
I'm not saying the akatsuki are weak. Personally one of my favourite characters in the series is itachi and he is indeed awesome but physically they are weak. Only provided he can get the susano'o up and keep it up for the entire fight.
Kizaru would do to them what he did to the supernova's. He'd teleport to one and kick the crap out of them which they can't react to, instantly teleport to the other and kick the crap out of them and then obito is done because sure kamui is cool for incoming attacks that you can see but he doesn't know where the attack is coming from. Assuming he is teh last and not the first to get the kick then he will pose a problem.
That's ignorant to say when there's been numerous accounts of Yata Mirror shielding Itachi from about everywhere, take Sasuke's Kirin for example, Insta Freeze doesn't really matter when your enemy can nullify elemental attacks and kill you with an instant hit of their giant ethereal blade.
Pein is likely to survive a kick from Kizaru, and as I stated, he's likely to revive the dead members of the Akatsuki back to life, Itachi's Susano'o is the perfect counter against someone like Akainu or Aokiji because their attacks are based on practical elements.
Pein is likely to survive a kick, the kick isn't really all that impressive, yeah! You can send someone flying through a couple of buildings but Yahiko (Deva Path's) is durable enough to survive because of his ability to create gravitational barriers between him and his surroundings, the same he did against Naruto. Kizaru is less likely to be effected though by Chibaku Tensei or Shinra Tensei because his attacks don't have the actual gravitational pull of a Black Hole (which sucks light.)
Tobi isn't an issue in this fight, observational Haki pretty much defeats his purpose of being in this fight and his ability to warp himself and his opponents via Kamui by physical touch unless Observational Haki doesn't predict the actual future since Tobi attacks through dimensions.
Anyways, I'm agreeing that the Admirals could take this but not as easy as you're making it seem, you're underestimating everyone here.
@TheNeutralOne: Itachi's Yata Mirror absorbs elemental attacks, or so, has resistance to anything being elemental base. His Susano'o tanked the explosion of a Chibaku Tensei, BD (Bijuu Dama), Rasen Shuriken, and his own powers added.
A stab from the Totsuki Blade should instantly end any battle between the Admirals because of its sealing properties.
Itachi has Tsukiyomi which should distract any Admiral.
Kizaru charges when he teleports, I see this as a reasonable explanation as to why Pein should be capable of using Shinra Tensei to counter Kizaru attacks... along with the fact that his vision works from different bodies, allowing him to see and avoid oncoming attacks.
Look, I'm not saying the Akatsuki are winning this but I'm saying the Admirals aren't winning this as easily as you're making it out to be, saying either members of the Akatsuki are a non-factor is kinda idiotic if you know their abilities and strong they stand with their abilities.
@TheNeutralOne: One shot is stretching it a bit too far, Pein alone is enough to handle all three because of his ability to manipulate gravity.
Highly doubt Akoiji or Akuma could do anything to hurt someone like Pein or Itachi since they have both the offense and defense to put him down.
I'm reluctant to say the Akatsuki because the Admirals have better speed and strength overall versus the Akatsuki who lack both fields but make up for it with their hax'ness and versatility.
Itachi if given the chance, could put one of the Admiral's under a genjutsu like Tsukiyomi, and if necessary, Susano'o could counter anything the Admirals have to dish as well as has the ability to put them down for good.
Tobi isn't really a threat without the Rinnegan, his only option is to attack them by surprise, but I highly doubt that'll work with their Observation Haki.
Pein is a huge threat here, even if the two other Akatsuki members died he could revive them via Naraku Path or himself. His Chibaku Tensei puts the Admirals at a huge disadvantage but with enough intelligence and firepower it can be countered.
I think the Admirals take this after a long and difficult battle.
@taichokage: I brought it up as a testament of his power, I know Galactus' amp'd his power but, to be gifted as a herald under Galactus? That says a lot about him.