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Post by 5th (1,176 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Naruto, Edward, Ichigo, Natsu, Inuyasha, Luffy, Goku vs Thanos

@Justalittlegirl: Seiya will.

This depends on which version. A God Cloth Seiya is guaranteed to beat Thanos while a Gold Cloth Seiya could hold him off.

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Battles » Naruto, Edward, Ichigo, Natsu, Inuyasha, Luffy, Goku vs Thanos

@Zerogodlike: Tanking? Seiya is enough to hold Thanos off, Thanos ain't gonna reach Goku if Seiya is too busy shooting FTL fists at his face.

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Battles » Minato Namikaze vs Sesshomaru

Minato possibly could blitz Sessohmaru, especially in beast mode.

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Battles » Ulquiorra Cifer vs Naruto and Sasuke

Naruto either crushes Ulquiorra or BD's him.

We haven't seen enough feats from Sasuke to say he would solo.

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Battles » The Six Paths of Pain Vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@Low: Nope.

I'm referring to Rojuro Otoribashi.

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Battles » The Six Paths of Pain Vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@supernova7005 said:

@5th said:

I'll agree that Renji > Rose, but what you're saying doesn't prove anything, Starrk wasn't even serious when he was fighting the Captains, plus they were wearing their Vizard masks, and Renji doesn't even have the speed to match Starrk's.

Even after Stark used his strongest attacks (the wolves), he couldn't one-shot the captains. Renji can casually one-shot Rose in shikai alone like he did to MdM.

Renji doesn't have the speed? Lol. Rose was keeping up with Stark, and Renji is much faster than Rose given he could intercept to MdM's beam while Rose couldn't even react.

My apologies. By feats Ulquiorra is the strongest Espada, I don't know why you would think Starrk is stronger when his DC doesn't even match someones like Ulquiorra's.

What feats? You mean Lanza? By your logic, Frieza is stronger than Vegito because he showed better planet-busting feats unlike Vegito. Do you also believe Ulquiorra > Base Aizen because Aizen never showed any explosive feats in base?

Stark doesn't have DC like Ulquiorra? Do I need to remind you, he can fire 1000 ceros at once?

Remember, AoE =/= attack potency

Show me feats or stay quiet, Yammy isn't the strongest, in fact, he's the weakest and will remain that way.

The databook states Yammy is the strongest. I also gave you a link - http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa344/bleach_scans/Unmasked3/UM17.jpg

Your logic is stupid. Current Renji would beat Byakuya, just because Byakuya is his superior doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger because Renji has already proven that he's stronger than two other Captains with just his Shikai alone.
Ulquiorra > Starrk > Renji > Byakuya

Byakuya is going through the same training that Renji did. When he returns, he'll be even more powerful than Renji as he was initially superior.

If not, he'll be atleast comparable.

Byakuya had trouble beating Zommari, I don't know where you're getting your facts from but until you show me some decent proof then don't say such nonsense.

That was pre-timeskip Byakuya, duh. I am talking about current Byakuya.

Starrk was casually dodging both their attacks from left and right, Rose didn't get one hit off Starrk.

You still lack feats that prove Starrk > R2 Ulquiorra

And lets be reminded that it required H2 Ichigo to beat Ulquiorra.

Either way, you lack feats that prove Starrk > Ulquiorra, Starrk lost to a couple of Captains versus Ulquiorra who lost to H2 Ichigo, and even by then, he tanked a full-charged cero to the face by H2 Ichigo, the cero being equivalent to a Lanza.

Ulquiorra overall has better feats, his Lanza dwarfed Los Noches, all of Starrk's attacks were calculated and measured to have a mulit-city blocks capacity while as Ulquiorra's was measured to be town or city level.

Databook my ass. That doesn't count as feats because THERE ARE NO FEATS.

We haven't seen what current Byakuya is capable of so leave the case at rest until shown otherwise.

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Battles » The Six Paths of Pain Vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@taichokage: Hell no. After what Renji just pulled off, Renji > Byakuya. Plus Byakuya didn't even trained, he's still recovering from his injuries.

@supernova7005 said:

@5th: Doesn't matter. Rose needed Bankai to fight MdM, while Renji thrashed him with his Shikai alone. This flat out proves Shikai Renji >>>>>>> Shikai Rose.

And given that Shikai Rose was strong enough not to get one-shotted be Stark, we can conclude Shikai Renji >> Stark.

Starrk isn't stronger than R2 Ulquiorra, it's been stated that R2 Ulquiorra was the strongest Espada of them all, and Starrk kicked Rose's and Love's asses so that doesn't prove anything.

I don't know where you are getting this from. Show me a single statement in the manga where Ulquiorra is stated to be the strongest Espada.

Hell, the databooks say Yammy is the strongest Espada.

There is more evidence supporting Stark > Ulquiorra than the vice versa, hence why I believe Byakuya > Renji >> Stark > Ulquiorra.

I'll agree that Renji > Rose, but what you're saying doesn't prove anything, Starrk wasn't even serious when he was fighting the Captains, plus they were wearing their Vizard masks, and Renji doesn't even have the speed to match Starrk's.

My apologies. By feats Ulquiorra is the strongest Espada, I don't know why you would think Starrk is stronger when his DC doesn't even match someones like Ulquiorra's.

Show me feats or stay quiet, Yammy isn't the strongest, in fact, he's the weakest and will remain that way.

Your logic is stupid. Current Renji would beat Byakuya, just because Byakuya is his superior doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger because Renji has already proven that he's stronger than two other Captains with just his Shikai alone.

Ulquiorra > Starrk > Renji > Byakuya

Byakuya had trouble beating Zommari, I don't know where you're getting your facts from but until you show me some decent proof then don't say such nonsense.

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Battles » Nagato vs Yammy Llargo

@luthluth said:

People on this site don't go by feats only the character they love more of hate the most.

Yeah except Yammy has no feats besides being killed off-panel by Byakuya and Kenpachi who weren't even paying attention half the time to Yammy because he was that inferior.

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Battles » The Six Paths of Pain Vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@supernova7005 said:

@5th: How does it matter if the beam is concentrated or not? Renji blocked the same concentrated beam in his Shikai, which means his Shikai is capable of one-shotting a senior captain like Rose.

Not only this, but Renji was also fast enough to intercept the beam, while Rose couldn't even react to it.

That's bullshit. What puts Byakuya or Mask on R2 Ulquiorra? What you just said was completely ignorant because R2 Ulquiorra was dwarfing a large palace like Los Noches with his Lanza Del Rampagio, show me some feats that put the two anywhere near his level, R2 Ulquiorrra would annihilate the two together, it's not even a joke.

Larger explosions don't mean one character is stronger than another. Base Aizen is stronger than Ulquiorra, yet he can't produce a blast as large as Ulquiorra's Lanza.

Btw I know pre skip Byakuya stands no chance against Ulq. I said current Byakuya > R2 Ulq, as he should be stronger than Renji, Rose and Stark.

You're going off baseless hype, and now that James is dead Mask has no one to cheer for him meaning he probably won't be as strong as he was before unless he activates his Vollstandig.

Mask defeated Rose AFTER James was killed. This means he's stronger than a senior captain even without James.

EDIT: The new chapter confirms that James is alive, and we also have a confirmation that Renji is ATLEAST senior captain level.

Hence it also supports my point about Renji >= senior captains ~ Stark > Ulquiorra.

Rose was one-shotted because he's an idiot, if he hadn't told MDM about his Bankai's abilities then MDM would've been screwed.

Where do you get your calcs from? You literally have nothing that supports your statements, where the hell did you came to the conclusion that Byakuya and Renji were stronger than R2 Ulquiorra? It's a laughable claim at that.

He "Defeated" Rose because Rose told him his abilities, MDM looked pretty screwed when Rose was busy drowning and burning him alive.

Starrk isn't stronger than R2 Ulquiorra, it's been stated that R2 Ulquiorra was the strongest Espada of them all, and Starrk kicked Rose's and Love's asses so that doesn't prove anything.

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Battles » Ulquiorra vs Killer Bee

@luthluth: Logical? Because the amount of time to get somewhere determines the distance? It all really depends on how fast you're going, and the fact that they were superhuman doesn't help your case either.

Los Noches is within Hueco Mundo, they're both entirely different because Los Noches is a city in Hueco Mundo.

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Battles » Ulquiorra vs Killer Bee

@luthluth: Island level?

HAHAHAHAH! Where did you get Island level from?

And Bee has tanked his own BDD, not just that but he can spam BDD's or create blasts.

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Battles » Ulquiorra vs Killer Bee

@Dream said:

Round 1: Ulquiorra. Both are about on par in speed, but Ulquiorra's ability to fly and Cero attacks would be too much for Bee to handle in his base form.

Round 2: Killer Bee. Bijuu Bombs are gonna be a bit much for Ulquiorra to be capable of surviving and Lanza's not gonna cut it against Bee.

Pretty much this.

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Battles » The Six Paths of Pain Vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@supernova7005 said:

@5th said:

MDM gets stronger over time because of James support and cheering, even Byakuya made him look like an idiot before, and Renji from before his training managed to stay on toes against the guy.

They're complete idiots. How is this not obvious? Rose was getting ready to finish off Mask with his bankai, but he just HAD to explain his bankai's abilities. There wasn't no strategy in their fighting, James' death happened merely because he was in the way between the Two Captains and Mask.

Overkill? What has Byakuya done that has him on the same level as Pein? Has he crushed an entire village with city AoE? Created a miniature moon by desolating a few mountains and land?

Your argument is completely baseless. Mask's powers are temporarily given the fact that James has to be there to cheer for him; otherwise, he has to resort to Vollstandig.

And we still don't know if As Nodt is as strong or stronger than Mask.

I agree Renji is likely stronger than a Captain by now, but that still doesn't prove that Byakuya has the power to beat Pein who's unarguably stronger in destructive capacity and has the sheer numbers to overwhelm someone like Byakuya.

How does MdM getting stronger over time make his beam against Renji weaker? Remember, Renji blocked that beam AFTER he used it to one-shot Rose and nothing suggests its weaker.

Rose is senior captain level based on his performance against Stark. If Mask's beam can blow a hole through his heart, Renji's shikai would be even more powerful than that, meaning he is capable of one-shotting Rose with his bankai.

DC isn't everything. Pain has higher DC/AoE, but his Konoha-buster takes too much time to charge up gathering power from all the paths. Not only that, but it also has a 5 second limit, and 5 seconds is plenty of time to guys who can use shunpo. Pre-skip Byakuya will itself give Pain a tough fight, by now Renji and Byakuya are implied to be even stronger than guys like R2 Ulquiorra.

As Nodt is a completely different case. Better not to bring him up.

It was a concentrated beam. Learn the difference between an explosion and a beam, an explosion isn't focused while a beam is.

That's bullshit. What puts Byakuya or Mask on R2 Ulquiorra? What you just said was completely ignorant because R2 Ulquiorra was dwarfing a large palace like Los Noches with his Lanza Del Rampagio, show me some feats that put the two anywhere near his level, R2 Ulquiorrra would annihilate the two together, it's not even a joke.

You're going off one panel which doesn't prove your case because as I said earlier, Mask's powers are only temporarily, Hisagi and the other two Lieutenants managed to beat Mask during their first encounter, otherwise Hisagi would've never told the two other Captains about his powers.

You're going off baseless hype, and now that James is dead Mask has no one to cheer for him meaning he probably won't be as strong as he was before unless he activates his Vollstandig.

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Battles » Broly Vs Janemba

Janemba is a reality warper, he destroys Broly in all rounds except for three because LSSJ3 should make him OP.

SO MUCH HYPE for someone who lost to a bunch of Super Sayians versus someone who lost to SSJ Gogeta.

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Battles » The Six Paths of Pain Vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@supernova7005 said:

@5th said:

@Obito: Bankai shouldn't work because of Deva Path's ability to repel anything by manipulating gravity via Shinra Tensei.

@supernova7005: All Renji did was block a beam that one-shotted Rose. Stark's wolves were just explosions, Mask's beam was concentrated.

That's not all but those two are idiots like any other Bleach captain besides Byakuya, Unohana, and Mayuri.

Nothing less, the Vizards have proven themselves to be a bunch of idiots who like explaining their abilities in the midst of battle.

Even if Byakuya's speed > Pein's, the numbers remain an issue seeing Byakuya won't be able to blitz them all without being tagged by Deva Path, and even if he succeeds in killing a Path, Naraka will be there to resurrect another path.

Deva Path alone is enough to take on someone like Byakuya, and if necessary, a full powered Shinra Tensei will be enough to end Byakuya.

If Renji was capable of effortlessly blocking MDM's beam, it means guys as strong as Stark are not even capable of scratching him with his wolves. This puts Renji around senior captain level

Those two captains are not idiots. Especially since they created a strategy by using Kensei as a bait to distract him, and then Rose slicing the other guy in half.

A full powered Shinra tensei takes too much time to charge up (using all the paths). A normal Shinra Tensei was something that even base Naruto could tank with his clones.

Btw I agree that pre skip Byakuya loses. Post skip would be overkill though, once he makes his appearance.

MDM gets stronger over time because of James support and cheering, even Byakuya made him look like an idiot before, and Renji from before his training managed to stay on toes against the guy.

They're complete idiots. How is this not obvious? Rose was getting ready to finish off Mask with his bankai, but he just HAD to explain his bankai's abilities. There wasn't no strategy in their fighting, James' death happened merely because he was in the way between the Two Captains and Mask.

Overkill? What has Byakuya done that has him on the same level as Pein? Has he crushed an entire village with city AoE? Created a miniature moon by desolating a few mountains and land?

Your argument is completely baseless. Mask's powers are temporarily given the fact that James has to be there to cheer for him; otherwise, he has to resort to Vollstandig.

And we still don't know if As Nodt is as strong or stronger than Mask.

I agree Renji is likely stronger than a Captain by now, but that still doesn't prove that Byakuya has the power to beat Pein who's unarguably stronger in destructive capacity and has the sheer numbers to overwhelm someone like Byakuya.

Post by 5th (1,176 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Hokage vs Admirals and Espada

Hokage's make a barrier and Juubito spams the living hell out of BD's.

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Battles » The Six Paths of Pain Vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@Obito: Bankai shouldn't work because of Deva Path's ability to repel anything by manipulating gravity via Shinra Tensei.

@supernova7005: All Renji did was block a beam that one-shotted Rose. Stark's wolves were just explosions, Mask's beam was concentrated.

That's not all but those two are idiots like any other Bleach captain besides Byakuya, Unohana, and Mayuri.

Nothing less, the Vizards have proven themselves to be a bunch of idiots who like explaining their abilities in the midst of battle.

Even if Byakuya's speed > Pein's, the numbers remain an issue seeing Byakuya won't be able to blitz them all without being tagged by Deva Path, and even if he succeeds in killing a Path, Naraka will be there to resurrect another path.

Deva Path alone is enough to take on someone like Byakuya, and if necessary, a full powered Shinra Tensei will be enough to end Byakuya.

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Battles » Juubito & Madara vs Sensui & Toguro

Madara was being treated as a volleyball by all the Jinchuuriki's and survived, this is LIVING Madara, not Edo.

Currently, Madara is capable of absorbing chakra by making physical contact and now has the Rinnegan.

I have a feeling that Madara > Juubito in the next upcoming chapters.

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Battles » Kenpachi Zaraki vs Roronoa zoro (READ DESCRIPTION !!!)

Actually, Insta-Heal thing is just an ability that's from her field and knowledge on Kido.

We don't know her actual BANKAI abilities besides the fact she used it effortlessly overpower Kenpachi numerous of times during their battle.

She intentionally lost to Kenpachi.

Given by the hype though, Kenpachi should be stronger than Yama.

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