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Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@taichokage said:

She was the most powerful, not inherently the most durable. Gremmy's fight was riddled with PIS that nobody wants to acknowledge but the moment Kaguya's consistentl flaws are brought up, it's PIS. I don't agree with you my friend.

Because a character having limitations to their abilities is considered PIS, admit it, Gremmy lost mainly do to the fact that his abilities were limited, there's no if's or but's about it.

And what does durability have to do with anything if Gremmy isn't even a physical fighter? Kaguya has all the necessary means to defeat Gremmy without much trouble.

@Zerogodlike said:

@katanalauncher said:

Regardless of what you think Akron it was PIS at its finest. Kaguya tanked multiple country to continential level attacks. So did Madara who she basically shared a body with. She didn't almost got cut in half by susanno because she dodged it, why evidence made you conclude that she would get cut in half if it hits? Certainly nothing in the manga itself. If Kaguya don't have impressive durability then no one in Naruto have impressive durability, and we know that's not true. Since she is the more durable character in the series by definition.

Stop Now. dude seriously stop. Naruto him self stated it was her weakness was physical attacks and it was proven by naruto punching her and damaging her no PIS was involved your making yourself look bad. either show the continent being busted or drop the claim.

Naruto and Sasuke together are moon level, currently they're high-mid country level tiers.

The argument of whether Naruto character's are weak to physical attacks or not is irrelevant considering Gremmy isn't even a physical fighter.

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Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@taichokage said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Honestly all that arguments made for Gremmy make it sound like he'd solo Bleach. Dude was an idiot with obvious limits to his powers that likely don't apply to someone of greater power much like how a lot of other hax abilities in Bleach are overcome by simply being much stronger (ex. Aizen being immune to Soifons shikai). As much as it surprises me I'd say this, Kaguya stomps.

This, pretty much. Gremmy was clearly shown to have limits to his power, that isn't PIS/CIS.

@taichokage said:

@xlab3000: You can't link to pirated website my friend. And nobody said Gremmy didn't have limitations. My point is is that Cookie bones + vanish = defeated Kaguya. It's simple.

And he didn't do that to Kenpachi why? Simple, Kenpachi was too powerful. Same reason Devil Man can't kill Freiza, same reason Gremmy can't kill Galactus. Limitations and CIS aren't the same thing, his cookie antics evidently don't apply when it comes to people leagues above him.

@xlab3000: You speak the truth.

No the reason is Gremmy didn't try it. This logic that a weaker character can't affect the stronger one was wrong the moment Kaguya was a part of this thread given that she lost to that very logic. Given that Sasuke and Naruto combined only had the Sage of 6 Path's powers together and Kaguya is stronger than the Sage by herself. Their sealing technique worked on her. Sakura's punch stopped her in her tracks and broke her horn for crying out loud. And you say Gremmy can't affect Kaguya, yet the half sage duo let alone Sakura can? I don't think so.

That's PIS

Kaguya's defeat was inevitable, she was defeated by the Sage duo before so it only made sense that she can be defeated again, and let's keep in mind that Naruto and Sasuke's chibaku tensei was moon level.

I don't see the big deal, so what if Sakura got a hit off her, it's not like she did anything notable.

Overall, you can't gauge Kaguya's power based off her defeat because Sasuke and Naruto > Gremmy by so much.

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Gold Saint Leo Aiolia Vs. Flash(Wally West)

8th Sense makes Leo immortal in a sense because he can't die

He should be able to take this though

@Pwnpiie: You'd have to watch the anime for the original series, can't find any manga scans of Saint Seiya anywhere besides the Hades arc

Don't watch Omega though, Omega is an abomination

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Battles » Hiei vs Sasuke Uchiha

@CosmicKnight75: Yes, it's impressive but from what Naruto and Sasuke can do it doesn't matter because they have the necessary power to counter such.

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Battles » Hiei vs Sasuke Uchiha

@CosmicKnight75: Well, punching a mountain isn't at all impressive,

I still don't see how Hiei would get pass Susano'o durability and power that was shown to slice island sized land masses with casual ease,

Sasuke also has teleportation to add so speed isn't a problem here

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Hiei vs Sasuke Uchiha

Sasuke at this point is even more powerful than Naruto, not because he's destructively better, no, but because he has more abilities and techniques.

He managed to trap all of the Tailed Beasts into Tsukiyomi with just a glance and seal them away with Chibaku Tensei, accomplishing some of the greatest feats in the series.

His Perfect Susano'o has the power to withstand Bijuu Dama's and create lightning attacks with equal power to Naruto's Bijuu Mode, he can also slice mountains with even greater power than Madara's perfect Susano'o, and has flight to add.

His Ultimate Susano'o (my name for it) must be even greater in power.

At this point, Sasuke is possibly the strongest Uchiha to ever be conceived, probably just as powerful as his ancestor Indra who was even more powerful than Madara.

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Hiei vs Sasuke Uchiha

How the tables have turned,

Sasuke should be able to take this, Perfect/Ultimate Susano'o durability is too much,

Plus Sasuke has genjutsu, teleportation, and all types of other hax abilities,

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Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@taichokage: He is limited to that, Kenpachi even repeats it by telling him that he could slice through steel... If Gremmy had no limitations, he would've just adjusted his durability to Kenpachi's blade and imagined Kenpachi not being able to cut him but Kenpachi did thanks to his power, even without PIS/CIS Gremmy is still limited and has boundaries to his abilities.

It's not like the guy can manipulate time and space, he has to perform certain techniques in order to do so and has to create clones for that.

Gremmy may be hax but he isn't all that hax, he has a limit to his abilities and isn't in no way defeating someone as majorly powerful as Kaguya.

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Battles » Destructor Asura, Chakravatin Vs Golden Cloth Pegasus Seiya

Seiya is too fast and has fought universal beings in his Gold Cloth (Omega feats)

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Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@taichokage said:

@5th said:

@taichokage said:

He lost because Zaraki's physical vessel was beyond his ability to handle without imaging that he could before hand. He dominated the whole battle until he tried that. That's how and why he lost. When Zaraki has city sized meteor strength with one arm casually, I can imagine that's a problem. If he pulled that with Kaguya, it wouldn't apply. P.S. the vanish is not used as BFR. It's used to appear and disappear instantly and it causes the opponent in question to forget about their very existence. If Gremmy opted to use that, Kaguya would be a sitting duck. As he creates the ability, it applies to himself as well. If you want to argue that point all he'd have to do is have Gwanael Lee do it for him. P.S. In character, Kaguya is even worse than Gremmy as far as stupidity goes.

You are wrong, Gremmy admitted that his abilities were flawed and that he had definitely lost to Kenpachi because of how limited his Visionary was, Gremmy failed to imagine a vessel strong enough for Kenpachi and therefore lost out of the fact that his abilities were limited.

Kaguya wouldn't be a sitting duck because all she would have to do is escape via BFR'ing herself, how is Gremmy going to BFR someone that isn't there?

I wasn't referring to the Gweneal but his dimension pulling ability that sends an opponent into space.

Kaguya isn't limited, she's far more versatile and stronger than Gremmy in everything and has the key powers to one-shot him or kill him.

What stops Kaguya from impaling Gremmy with her bone spears?

@katanalauncher said:

You can't base a characters strength on his power set, even though his ability is haxxed, he have not shown feat even close to Kaguya level. These hax character often have limitations to keep them in line with other characters in the series, and Gremmy have shown them. Gremmy doesn't even have feats to prove that his power could affect top tier Bleach characters, so you can't assume it can affect Naruto top tiers who are leaps and bound above Bleach top tiers. Gremmy isn't even close to the strongest stern Ritter even, all of haschwald's royal guard are stronger than him.

You are wrong, Gremmy without a doubt was the strongest Sternritter, the guards nor Jugram are stronger, in fact, Jugram was panicking when Gremmy had envisioned the meteor.

Gremmy certainly lived to his hype as being the strongest Sternritter.

I was referring to the vanish. I never said anything about BFR. I understand why you're saying BFR wouldn't work an I agree. The vanish ability allows the user to vanish and reappear at will and it erases the memory of your existence. Kaguya would not even have the memory of fighting Gremmy if my point.

And nothing stops Kaguya from impaling Gremmy with the spears. The problem is 1 vanish. 2 he can instant heal. 3. durability. Doubt the spears would even pierce him if he made himself hard (no pun intended) but even if they did, the aforementioned reason prevent it from even being a threat. What's stopping Gremmy from using his own bone technique? Cookie bone Kaguya would die immediately. Again, they are both incredibly stupid, but that doesn't make the vision any less hax.

Except Gremmy can only make his body hard as steel, Kaguya's bones have been shown to pierce something as powerful and strong as Kakashi's PS, Gremmy's abilities were shown to be only limited to realistic things like steel, he couldn't make something abstract, this is further supported by the fact that he needed clones just to increase his powers and ability to imagine.

Highly doubt turning Kaguya bones to cookies would stop her because it didn't stop Yachiru, so it sure isn't stopping someone like Kaguya who has an arsenal of abilities and techniques at her disposal.

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Battles » Sensui vs Juubito vs Garp

@Zerogodlike said:

@5th said:

I just explained how the tree could be considered island level given its height and weight, saying it's multi-mountain level because of the area it covered is a stupid observation if you can't consider how big and huge it was, huge enough to almost reach the stratosphere.

Again, Juubito was blasting himself with his own Gudou Dama's and regenerating, yes, he couldn't probably survive having his head destroyed but that wouldn't matter since his regeneration is too fast.

Gudou Dama's = Molecular destruction

Naruto and Sasuke aren't Juubi's Jinchuuriki though and that's why they lacked the regenerative properties that Juubito and Juubidara had.

The tree btw was almost 30 KM in length, imagine the amount of weight and mass it had!

You have to take a lot into account.

Gudon dama = chakra technique see the pattern dude just accept your naruto characters are weak against physical attacks. All the feats point in that direction just stop.

I never said Naruto characters weren't weak against physical attacks.

What I'm saying is that the Juubi's Jinchuuriki are exceptionally powerful because of their regenerative abilities

And again Gudou Dama's have molecular destruction

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@taichokage said:

He lost because Zaraki's physical vessel was beyond his ability to handle without imaging that he could before hand. He dominated the whole battle until he tried that. That's how and why he lost. When Zaraki has city sized meteor strength with one arm casually, I can imagine that's a problem. If he pulled that with Kaguya, it wouldn't apply. P.S. the vanish is not used as BFR. It's used to appear and disappear instantly and it causes the opponent in question to forget about their very existence. If Gremmy opted to use that, Kaguya would be a sitting duck. As he creates the ability, it applies to himself as well. If you want to argue that point all he'd have to do is have Gwanael Lee do it for him. P.S. In character, Kaguya is even worse than Gremmy as far as stupidity goes.

You are wrong, Gremmy admitted that his abilities were flawed and that he had definitely lost to Kenpachi because of how limited his Visionary was, Gremmy failed to imagine a vessel strong enough for Kenpachi and therefore lost out of the fact that his abilities were limited.

Kaguya wouldn't be a sitting duck because all she would have to do is escape via BFR'ing herself, how is Gremmy going to BFR someone that isn't there?

I wasn't referring to the Gweneal but his dimension pulling ability that sends an opponent into space.

Kaguya isn't limited, she's far more versatile and stronger than Gremmy in everything and has the key powers to one-shot him or kill him.

What stops Kaguya from impaling Gremmy with her bone spears?

@katanalauncher said:

You can't base a characters strength on his power set, even though his ability is haxxed, he have not shown feat even close to Kaguya level. These hax character often have limitations to keep them in line with other characters in the series, and Gremmy have shown them. Gremmy doesn't even have feats to prove that his power could affect top tier Bleach characters, so you can't assume it can affect Naruto top tiers who are leaps and bound above Bleach top tiers. Gremmy isn't even close to the strongest stern Ritter even, all of haschwald's royal guard are stronger than him.

You are wrong, Gremmy without a doubt was the strongest Sternritter, the guards nor Jugram are stronger, in fact, Jugram was panicking when Gremmy had envisioned the meteor.

Gremmy certainly lived to his hype as being the strongest Sternritter.

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Battles » Sensui vs Juubito vs Garp

I just explained how the tree could be considered island level given its height and weight, saying it's multi-mountain level because of the area it covered is a stupid observation if you can't consider how big and huge it was, huge enough to almost reach the stratosphere.

Again, Juubito was blasting himself with his own Gudou Dama's and regenerating, yes, he couldn't probably survive having his head destroyed but that wouldn't matter since his regeneration is too fast.

Gudou Dama's = Molecular destruction

Naruto and Sasuke aren't Juubi's Jinchuuriki though and that's why they lacked the regenerative properties that Juubito and Juubidara had.

The tree btw was almost 30 KM in length, imagine the amount of weight and mass it had!

You have to take a lot into account.

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

@EVA_01: How?

Gremmy lost to Kenpachi because Kenpachi was more powerful

Kaguya > Kenpachi > Gremmy

I don't see how unless you're going to bring up crap that's a fallacy such as Gremmy imagining things beyond his showings,

He has too many weaknesses too.

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Jason vs. Jason (Joke Battle)

@Kobra678 said:

Jason stomps. Then makes Jason count backwards from 1000 by 7.

This

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kaguya Ōtsutsuki VS Gremmy Thoumeaux

In all seriousness though,

Kaguya takes both rounds with mere ease,

Gremmy's BFR won't work if she BFR's herself to escape,

She has too much to her disposal, and her speed is on a insane level.

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Sensui vs Juubito vs Garp

The tree was island level, the amount of weight for a tree that huge could go from thousands to millions of tons.

Night Moth was a focused attack and so was his other physical blows,

Naruto characters (specifically the Jinchuuriki's) have great regeneration, physical attacks don't mean anything when you can regenerate from molecular destruction.

Juubito was blasting himself with his own Gudou Dama's in close range,

Gudou Dama's were tanking multiple-bijuu dama's and all types of destructive powers from mountain to small country level.

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Trafalgar Law

Gremmy is the perfect counter for any OP character,

he can just trap Law in water like he did with Kenpachi, and then Law would die.

I don't see Gremmy losing to Law in any scenarios, his powers overall are too much with nukes, meteors, dimensions to space, and Kamikazi clones.

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Merlin (The Seven Deadly Sins) vs Sora

OBD has calculated Sora to be relativistic in speed, Keep in mind that OBD does have some good calculations albeit they're hated for pixel scanning.

Sora was also fighting opponents that could move as fast as lightning such as Larxene (who could make physical copies with her speed.)

Post by 5th (1,298 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Meliodas, Ban, King and Diane vs Sage Madara, and Juubito

I still think the Uchiha win.

Ban's immortality won't save him from being sealed by the likes of Madara or Obito,

And either of the two could initiate Tsuki no Me to win.

I don't think the Sin's have what it takes to take down Madara or Obito, both who are nigh-invincible and require sealing or VERY powerful attacks to be taken down.

And with the combined force of Madara and Obito, the two are nearly untouchable with Gudou Dama's and Limbo's on deck to counter anything.

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