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Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Senator Pak vs The six paths of pein

Not familiar with this character nor the series.

Perhaps some more info?

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Nagato vs Yammy Llargo

@luthluth said:

People on this site don't go by feats only the character they love more of hate the most.

There are some sites that excel on one liner win statements, I wouldn't say this place is towards that way.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@othus12 said:

@321zigzag1: what protects erza is not the armor itself. it a magical barrier that the armor casts. anyways erza's equip is extremely verstile not to mention she has more stamina and could eventualy outlast byakuya.

@321zigzag1 said:

she can summon other weapons at the same time you know? she often mixes her armors. either you know little about FT or you just have read about it.

What magical barrier? She has shield thing that forms in front of her but even if it does, it doesn't change what I said, a gate can't win by offense. I don't recall the barrier in the manga actually.

Strange question to ask, because when was the last time she switched her armors or weapons? Weapons I could understand maybe but armors?

Even the Fairy Wiki editor in this thread admitted not remembering when Erza switched. Knightwalker switched weapons but one at atime. Erza switched armor and weapons but one at a time.

Have you ever seen her use adamantine armor with otherthings? No. Have you ever seen her use Heaven's Wheel with other armor and weapons? No.

Kagura vs Erza should tell you that Erza switched not mixed if I recall.

Erza vs Ikaruga should tell you Erza switched not mixed if I recall.

Erza has great offense to put Byakuya down for sure and Isuppose one can argue on nakagami armor but I am not too sure how that wouldapply technically, perhaps you can tell me.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@othus12 said:

i forgot erza's fairy armor. she island busted with it so that's an insta win for her

There are few key things you should caution yourself on.

1. That was a very small island. Could you even call it an island? I suppose by shonen standards maybe but it was quite smaller than Tenrou Island if I recall, and

Tenrou Island wasn’t very big either like few kilometers at most. That island had like a floating castle on it. I will have to recheck it later.

2. It was from the combined attack of Erza and Knigtwalker, not Erza. Why the combined attack is omitted, I do not know but it is not just from Erza at all.

3. The most damage was done at the epicenter. Byakuya needs to be hit directly or close to it, he has flight advantage and bankai to protect to him. The destruction was more from purely range, the danger was more from the epicenter.

This feat can't be just used Erza busted an island by herself. No, there are other factors that need to be realized.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@othus12 said:

erza wins. she has more versatility than byakuya not to mention her adamantine armor can tank anything byakuya dishes

A gate no matter how invincible it may be cannot win in anything because it lacks offense.

Adamantine Armor is the same deal. It's only defensive in usage and she only used once or twice. Even still her face isn't protected.

If Erza wants to win she has to switch out of her armor and her versatility is limited to one armor usage at a time.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: Yet Kagura did not use her Archenemy and gravity powers to own Erza one slash of Kagura equals a dead Erza.

Yes she did. She drew it and her slash cut across several city blocks yet Erza blocked it miraculously.

All without 2nd origin and Nakagami Armor.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: Kagura>>Erza. It was plot that saved Erza lol,

You would be correct if Nakagmi Armor and her 2nd Origin didn't exist, but because they do Kagura loses.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@DBZ_universe said:

@takashichea: Well if we include friendship power up Erza could win haha,

Well if this was Kagura vs Byakuya, I would see Kagura winning since she can reduce the speed of Byakuya.

She has gravity magic but she doesn't use it or didn't so far.

The only thing he has to worry about is her sword's destructive slash.

And unlike Erza, Kagura lacks armor versatility and is more vulnerable to his petals and kidou since Kagura is just even more straightforward.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@takashichea said:

@DBZ_universe:

I agree with you there. Byakuya's flash step and his Bankai is not going to make it easy for Erza. Who knows, Fairy Tail is an ongoing manga series. Maybe, Erza will get an armor that will reduce Byakuya's speed. Who knows?

Erza is going to get an armor for everything my lord. Its Mashima after all.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Madara vs Hades (Additional Bonus)

@Sonata said:

@321zigzag1: You should add pics to the OP so no one will be confused on which version of Hades is in the battle.

Very well.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Madara vs Hades (Additional Bonus)

@GeneralVan said:

Hades wouldn't get passed Ulquiorra.

Madara epically stomps him to the ground.

Ulquiorra has nothing to do with this thread.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kakuzu and Kisame vs Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

Though the FT side has a DC edge, I think the Akasuki team has enough versatility between the two of them to pull a win.

I think ISD Gajeel and LFD Natsu > Kisame and Kakuzu overall but yes Kisame's versatility especially with that natural water barfing and walking and samehada fusion despite waterdome lacking, is still potentiall dangerous enough for a win.

@Saladking said:

@321zigzag1 said:

I actually just remembered an episode of Ft where Natsu was at the bottom of a river and he used his fire to blast to the top like a rocket. I don't know if it happened in the manga or not but it was at the time when Ultear and Meredy returned and told them about the time skip magic thing.

Natsu won't be able to walk on the water but he can still get high in the air and use the hang time to do whatever.

I'm still arguing on team Akatsuki's side though but I wanted to throw that out there

Yes Natsu can do that, difference is that Kisame's barfing well goes up higher than a normal river, so unless they are really tall edifice nearby they are stuck in the water.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Hashirama Senju, Madara Uchiha Vs Donquixote Doflamingo, Kuma

@TheNeutralOne said:

@321zigzag1:

I'm just saying its ridiculous to push something like the frs as a town level attack in potency.

High tiers in naruto can be stabbed by normal weapons.

But to each his own i guess.

Yes and no.

It doesn't automatically negate it, it at least shows its overkill assuming it is that level although I don't know how they got it.

The only one who tanked it was 3rd Raikage who is an anomaly.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kakuzu and Kisame vs Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy

@ninja2170 said:

@321zigzag1:

what about gajeel intangibility he could just dodge any attacks with great speed and attack them from the ground and possibly the water and natsu was able to take an explosion from jackal who put like 5 to ten bombs on him which he probably took away some damage but still was covered in wounds. and natsu seems to have a lot of physical strength always punching opponents lately and has pretty wide AOE with his attack and could just take to the sky and spam attacks. also I don't know the other characters abilities.

Well I did mention ISD and LFD modes are pretty much the ones that would overwhelm Kakuzu for example but I say Kisame samehada fusion can match it underwater.

Kisame focuses on draining (works unless you want to strictly separate magic and chakra) and drowning.

My point is that lake barfing and that they can't walk on water is a potential strong counter and a plausible route Akatsuki's victory but it heavily relies on Kisame wth Kakuzu's long range support.

His lake is going to flood the HQ and above it.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Nagato vs Yammy Llargo

@luthluth said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@luthluth said:

@321zigzag1: Nagato has no retsu what so ever unlike Tatsuki who is spiritually aware.

I will just reiterate and add additional points.

There are three ways to approach this.

1: Nagato has no reiatsu.

2: Nagato has something similar since half of chakra is spiritual.

3. Energy Equivalency.

All three of these methods have been used and can be supported but it also depends on what you are willing to accept or want to accept.

The most realistic way would be that Nagato has no retsu, which wouldn't be much of a battle.

Well that is the strict explanation which I can understand but I prefer some leeway like the 2nd one because I don't think writers or fans tend to strictly classify or separate to that degree usually unless its so vastly different. But it can be argued both ways.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Nagato vs Yammy Llargo

@luthluth said:

@321zigzag1: Nagato has no retsu what so ever unlike Tatsuki who is spiritually aware.

I will just reiterate and add additional points.

There are three ways to approach this.

1: Nagato has no reiatsu.

2: Nagato has something similar since half of chakra is spiritual.

3. Energy Equivalency.

All three of these methods have been used and can be supported but it also depends on what you are willing to accept or want to accept.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kakuzu and Kisame vs Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy

@Jgames said:

@321zigzag1: Kisame is definetely a huge threat, but considering his main method of victory against stronght opponet is sucking chakra and reflecting it back, I said he losed since neither of them use chakra. And both Gajeel and Natsu have the durability to tank most of kisame attacks and the strenght to put him down. Plus since this is a team battle they can always do a team dragon roar.

Unless we allow some equivalency which many tend to assume anyway unless the energies are vastly different, although Kisame's attacks isn't focused on destructive capacity its focused on chakra draining but also drowning especially with the barfing of the lake.

NEither Natsu and Gajeel can walk on water, water + lightning as well.

Also Giant Shark Missile is a big projectile.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Erza Scarlet vs Byakuya Kuchiki

@takashichea said:

Not participating in the battle thread. There was a time that Erza could swap and mix her armors and swords. I can't remember, but I think it was in Minerva's fight. I could be wrong.

I only recall her switching armors one at a time.

In that one she was in her offensive one then she switched to her infamous Nakagami armor which then she won.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kakuzu and Kisame vs Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy

@Jgames said:

Natsu Solos

Gajeel Solos

Wendy can hold her own

Kakuzu does not have the durability to tank Natsu or Gajeel attacks for sure, while they can. Kisame actually have good durability surviving Guy's attacks, but he does not have the strenght to beat Natsu or Gajeel. And Wendy can heal and support making this a stomp

Can't Kisame's flooding pull off a victory even though thanks to Waterdome being restricted not to mention Samehada fusion is not restricted either technically.

Only LFD and ISD modes can possibly "solo" but I don't know against Samehada fusion.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Nagato vs Yammy Llargo

@taichokage said:

Pain lacks it. Lol. But of course assuming there's some verse equalization going on then it's meaningless to him.

If you mean Pain as in the Six Paths of Pain well they lack souls.

Well chakra is made up of both spiritual and physical. It was always an easy route for an argument to made through there.

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