Good debate guys. I'm not certain myself. I wish I knew more about Shuma. Sometimes wiki checking isn't enough. It essentially comes down to one point, which is stronger the unstoppable force (Shuma's energy eating) or the immovable object (Dispel Bound)?
Both are relative. "unstoppable" "immovable" are relative terms.
Heck I will use Math as an example.
In Math there are infinites but they aren't the same size in concept.
Prime Number infinite vs. Positive Numbers infinite? THe latter is more in quantity despite being both infinite.
The point is though Shuma Gorath at his best always operated on a much higher scale. Problem is that he has few appearances.
@321zigzag1: Disregarding everything else, considering that he is multiversal+, am I to simply assume DS has no dominion over Shuma? Certainly you don't believe that when a stronger than Darsh wizard (though by behavior both DS and strange dwell in the same level of magic) beats on Shuma,
All you have is Dispel Bound.
What exactly do I have a reason to believe DS can do better than what Death the concept herself did in Cancerverse?
What exactly do I have a reason to believe DS can do better than what Sise Neg can do?
@321zigzag1: DS would not be capable of doing the same thing? Even Strange was taking dominion over foreign powers and beings in his path to supremecy, the exact same thing DS has done.
You are arguing more on concepts than just more on feats. Be more specific in what you are saying on what DS did. You say DS did what STrange did.
Show me. Surely it wouldn't be too difficult?
Just because they both did something similar doesn't automatically translate they are on the same level.
For example Avatar State Aang and Rikudo Sennin are conceptually similar. Yet by feats they are clearly not.
You seem to be going on a tangent DS being a magic user automatically grants STrange feats to him. Except feats are the most important.
All you argued was Dispel Bound and you first initially claimed it was invincible but then you admitted they can be broken. It's all relative.
Here I will start things off then.
Classic Strange fluctuates. Normally he would be weaker than DS by a strong margin but at his best he operates universal to beyond. For example he can be an avatar for Eternity. His power fluctuation also depends on his conjuring power.
Normally Shuma Gorath's showings on earth are pitiful to his real self in his actual dimension with the exception of Sise Neg. But I am assuming Shuma Gorath is at his best the neutral dimension can allow.
@321zigzag1: If I'm to simply accept based on nothing, I guess I should quit? lol. iight. I see how it is.
You never bothered to even counter Death example or Sise Neg example yet you call it nothing.
For what purpose?
Who told you it was nothing?