I can buy Avatar characters having some form of sonic speed in reactions as a legitimate case was shown a while back with Aang evading the beam attack of Combustion Man. But movement speed of that caliber and anything in hypersonic territory still pushes it.
I was referring to reaction speed/reflexes.
@321zigzag1:Yeah by Akatsuki standards or elite jounin standards. So therefore....?
Your posts depend on Shikamaru and Asuma. Shikamaru used to be slow but in Part 2 he improved in speed. His shadow jutsu isn't that slow if it was able to catch Tobi.
Kakashi wasn't exhausted then. If he was he couldn't have done two raikiri's after. He was never panting the entire fight.
I'm pretty sure Kakashi just got done with a raikiri and protecting Ino and Choji from Kakuzu's attack. Shikamaru has NO credible speed feats, you say he got faster but we have no clue by how much. He is a tachtition, why would he be known for good speed with anything but jutsu?Yes. Knowledge played a key role as I answered Spider earlier but you have to have the movements and agility to back it up. You cannot have one without the other.
You simply move before the attack happens, Toph must make the gestures before bending, Azula react to Toph GESTURES not her bending, something Hidan would have no knowledge of.Ok the ambush worked partly as a distractiion point from the initial shadow jutsu which both ninjas' advanced senses picked up. Kunai was the result of the distraction, they both reacted to it easily though.
You need to read that chapter again. Hidan got trapped because Shikamaru already bound him. He used the sewing to bring the wires together.
My point was is that if that was enough of a distraction to get them then the ground itself attacking you should be more than Hidan has shown to react too. Also, can't Toph metal bend his scythe, rendering him useless?That bender lightning is supersonic? Although that being you are talking more on reflex category I believe.
In that case I suppose I could bring the case of Zaku's airwaves being supersonic as so claimed and Genin Sasuke dodged it.
Temari in PArt 1 could react to sound waves as well.
It's not natural lightning but considering Iroh was able to react to such a thing and Zuko and Azula surpassing him by this point it should be close. Curse mark Sasuke from part 1>>Asuma, Temari is the same case. Hidan relies on immortality and Kakuzu and has no good speed feats to speak of, just because a feat was acted out from a earlier part does not mean everyone after that is superior. Asuma could barley even react to Kisame in their first meet and Kisame is supposed to be faster than Hidan. We have absolutely no progression of Asuma's skills from part 1 to part 2, so we can't just base his speed off of characters from part 1, especially characters that are superior to him. I don't doubt Asuma could beat Dosu, but then again Asuma is more of a planner and surprise attacker than a full on brawler, his entire team is based on teamwork and working together, Asuma has never really been in a one on one match, his best feat was giving a cut to Kisame's cheek when he was caught off guard. Tayuuya, curse seal Sasuke, and Temari from part 1 are more impressive than Asuma from any of his showing, I have no doubt they would beat him with mid difficulty.
That lightning feat. IT has been a source of controversy. Some say Iroh put him his arm then lightning went through him and he didn't seem to realize it until right after. I will say this he did seem bewildered.
Now now, why would Genin Sasuke or Temari being stronger than Asuma. Asuma is an elite jounin.
Barely react? He dodged fine actually after he got his arm shaved.
Asuma blitzed the sound fodder jounin ninja. Unless you are saying the genin can do the same.
That was clearly him by himself. He only worked as a team because he had no choice and wanted advantage and also wanted to ambush Akatsuki.
There comes a time when feats while most important in the context of in-verse logic you have to follow its hierarchy.
Now I see where this all comes from you think Asuma is weaker than Part 1 Genin or some of them.
Btw elite jounin easily intercepted Neji.
Also two special jounin who are weaker than ASuma managed to force Sound 4 into CS2 in order to win. The same Sound 4 who lost to the Genin.