Yes there is, if we went by titles as a way to gauge power levels then Freiza would be the ultimate villain, Hulk would be the strongest there is, Kabuto should be well above Kage level BEFORE acquiring sage mode sense he beat Tsunade, arguably one of the most pathetic excuses for a Sannin or Hokage ever. Also if we went by title then Anbu>>>Jounin, but we know that's not true sense Kakashi and Itachi are the only noteworthy anbu, if we went by titles Yamato would be stronger than Gai sense he was a elite anbu and Gai has never been one. Not to mention the in Bleach Captains are meant to be>>>>everyone else but behold Renji and Rukia are already better than every captain who didn't receive special training like Byakuya and Kenpachi. At the very least better than Kensei and Rose. It's pointless, just like bounties in One Piece, Power levels in DBZ after the saiyan saga, the titles Captain in Bleach ect.
I don't know why you went on when I already did agree before hand.
I wouldn't be surprised given that Asuma had already admitted Shikamaru was much smarter than he was and had constantly outwitted him, add in the fact that that he was nominated to be a chuunin maybe a month or so after becoming a genin at the chuunin exams, Temari also stated if he was not so lazy he could have becoming a jounin faster than she did. Also that when Asuma was resurrected with immortality and infinite chakara he was taken care of with mid diff by his squad once they worked up the guts to take him out. Asuma was just not impressive as a jounin and especially not an elite one, you are clinging to titles as a means of support for Asuma and Hidan being worthy fighters with no basis to back it up other than a meaningless title.
Neither did a lot of things in Naruto, like the limit on the chidori, Naruto and half his fights ect.
LOL Kisame would trash Hidan just like Itachi trashed Deidara.
Then show me because blitzing fodder is not impressive at all.
Nope. Intelligence and smarts don't automatically equal being stronger all the time otherwise. Also as for the Edo Tensei fight, it showed what we knew all along. Team 10 had more potential and as a team they surpassed Asuma. Shikamaru in particular showed more potential than Asuma since Part 1 but enough with Part 2 we are talking about PArt 1 where you stated to even consider Part 1 Shikamaru could even be better than Asuma.
If your point is correct then one of them should have been able to take on Asuma but they went as a team because they would lose one on one eventually sooner or later. Although Butterfly Chouji changed that after his emotional powerup.
Yes things don't make sense. Hello fiction. Hello real life.
Of course Kisame would trash Hidan overall but Asuma taking him on at least in taijutsu wise for a short time is an indication that shows his superiority to sound 4 which should be kind of obvious.
Why can't Asuma can't do better than those two fodder special jounins?
OF course though by your admission in this train of though when the sound jounin were chasing SHikamaru, Sakura, Naruto and Pakkun. SHikamaru should have been able to take care of those jounins quite better than Asuma did.
But nope instead they crapped their pants in chapter 118 and Shikamaru believe they would be annilihated and after his shadow ambush was running out of time in chakra Shikamaru figured he was going to die before he married and had a lazy life.
Asuma was already quite above chunins or below in part 1. Unless you are arguing CS1 Sasuke, Temari Shikamaru could have done the same.
Too bad we don't know that he is capable of since every fight he is in he is in a team. And lol, why does being a taijutsu specialist mean he doesn't need help? He is a shinobi who works in squads, he needs as much help as any other shinobi. Not to mention he has no won a single fight even in a team.
I don't know and do not care, the evidence is on the paper, at the end of the day, Asuma has done nothing at all to put him within the rank of jounin. Asuma is a jounin because he is a character in the story with the purpose of having a squad 10 jounin leader. Unlike Kakashi who have no story of how he came to ranks, or how good he is, he showed little more than fodder material. The guy has nearly no showing. You are going by a title and nothing more, you have nothing to base it off of anyway.
You are the one said Asuma needs help. I said he is capable of fighting one on one. Being in teams and fighting alone are not always exclusive.
Then this debate is futile because you have the mindset of looking at his feats poor when anyone can look at any feats poor depending on relative context.
You were making a strict in-verse comparison. So unlike multiverse author's word play some more role. Not to mention by your logic CS1 Sasuke should do better against Kisame which is bonkers.
Neji not even paying attention or having no reason to even move at full speed
was stopped by Hayate and the others, Hayate had already noticed before Neji
even moves. Lol how fast was he going, do you have a calc or evidence for the
speed you are going for?
me, where it was said sakura was dodging via muscle movement and not speed.
Where it says Sasori was moving his puppets super fast as well.
Are you losing something mate?
Laughing doesn't change what I said. Neji didn't react. In fact that's how blitz or speed feats sometimes operates because speed feats are broad things.
What you now want calculations too? Let's go to OBD and later NBD together shall we on this? Although the latter hates calcs.
Reading Sasori's puppetry could have been more of an anime extension but it shows reading his attacks patterns regardless.
must have been if he got kicked and sat through an entire fight with Hidan and
Kakuzu before fighting again. Yes Kakashi must have been exhausted. However the
page I read had kakashi get up and block Hidan's assault... no good showing of
anything other than Hidan's mad swinging. Kakashi shook off Kakuzu's attack,
Hidan jumps at kakashi and Kakahsi parrys every one if Hidan's attacks. It
would be pointless for Kakashi with a kunai to attack Hidan like that because
while he would need to decapitate him while Hidan only needs a scratch and
Kakashi is done for. Kakashi was on the defensive.
yes he was tired from watching Hidan and Kakuzu fight after a kick.
It started with Azula and Hidan speed comparison but it has become into other things. However, this is a different thread. How about this, why don't you make a thread on what we discussed. Asuma vs those genins and those characters after all you made the claim.
In fact if I recall, you didn't even say why Asuma's or Hidan's or were bad. You just said they were bad because they were unimpressive but didn't really explain why. Then again by your admission Part 1 Shikamaru or CS Sasuke part can do better than Asuma against Hidan in part 2. Or at least I got out of here.
AS for this post.
Kakashi doesn't get that exhausted anymore if you are saying when he was exhausted after being kicked then anything can be interpreted as exhaustion. He was puzzled why Kakuzu wasn't dead but he wasn't exhausted.
We were debating why you think he was exhausted not why Kakashi defended himself so.