It was the fact that Shikamaru could outsmart his opponents which is why he won, he constantly beat people who were far stronger and had more devastating attacks, i.e. Temari, it is also why he was able to climb through the ranks like he did. As a shinobi Asuma is better than Shikamaru, he is a sensei and guides his team. However we have never seen Asuma come up with any sort of plan that would put his leadership above Shikamaru's in part 1. The guy was leading jounin level missions in part 1. Aside from Asuma being their sensei there is nothing to suggest Asuma>Shikamaru. Just like how Kabuto was Jounin level and was taken out by Naruto with one move he barely had time to make decent.
Yup, I dunno why you brought it up then, even so it helps my point; it may not make sense but part 1 Shikamaru is better/more impressive than Asuma a "elite" jounin. Storywise it makes no sense.
Asuma did not engage him for a short period of times; Kisame wanted to have fun and swung at him with one arm WITHOUT even taking the bandages from his sword,Asuma dodged the first one then had to block the second swing, Asuma was struggling from just the tip of the sword and had Kurenai use genjutsu, Itachi activates his genjutsu, Kisame rips Asuma's arm up. Then, Asuma states "You're late, Kurenai..." and Kisame is affected by the genjutsu, Itachi reverses the genjutsu, Kurenai gets herself out of the genjutsu and barley avoids a fatal hit from Itachi and is kicked into the water, Asuma calls out her name and Kisame tells him not to get distracted and charges at him, Kisame swings, Asuma dodges and surprises Kisame with his chakara blades and gives him a small cut on the cheek. Kisame then does a water shark bomb jutsu, Kakashi steps in front of Asuma and uses the technique as well.
Prep time, That's how he defeated Hidan. As for Temari he beat it with smarts. He was going to lose against Tayuya however. Yes we already concluded smarts shikamaru is better. Kabuto? He was already described as Part 1 Kakashi level. He easily escaped Kakashi. By your stance Tsunade is worse than Kabuto now?
Naruto temporarily got a move on Kabuto but he never defeated him. He got back up in time to summon Manda. So no. Reread that chapter.
Again you aren't explaining why Asuma is worse. All you doing is labeling his feats bad while upping Shikamaru's chunin exams feat but not explaining why. All you proved was his smarts but we both knew this from the beginning.
You did a nice job of repeating the fight except you seemed to miss one thing.
Why do you think Kisame went for the water shark missile instead of just going at it taijutsu. Because Part 1 Kisame realized pure taijutsu wasn't enough. Sure Kisame would still stomp Asuma in the end but at least in Part 1 Kisame probably surmised taijutsu wasn't enough.
If anything that skirmish puts Asuma above Shikamaru easily but of course by your admission CS1 Sasuke, Shikamaru, etc would do better but we see no reasons why. Unless of course they were all Kisame level
Lol Shikamaru was able to deflect a genjutsu that placed nearly the entire chuunin exams in a deep sleep, Kakashi told them the mission was to hurry and get Sasuke with the help of Pakkun, Shikamaru needed to be a decoy to delay the trackers, he got a majority of the jounin an a shadow possession,however one was hidden, had Shikamaru not used so much chakara he would have one-shotted all of them
So yeah, Shikamaru would have had a easier time however he had to make a quick decision to leave the group and distract them before he could analyse the group and make a good plan, all things considered Shikamaru did great, he used a different tactic than simply charging in and attacking but being able to nearly kill 4-5 jounin at once is incredible. So still not seeing how he isn't above Asuma.
Well this is fascinating, of all the examples, you use the genjutsu arena feat. Yeah the same ones all the elite jounin and anbu easily broke. Unless you think Asuma magically woke up somehow.
Even more interesting you say SHikamaru would have one shotted them all yet he and his group crapped their pants at the mention of 10 jounins chasing them.
The fact Asuma easily dispatched them all yet Shikamaru couldn't should tell you what the author is trying to show you the obvious.
Just because Shikamaru had less chakra doesn't suddenly translate he could defeat them all in one swoop. He caught them as an admission of his smarts but he had no other way of taking them down especially thanks to the hidden 10th one.
In fact that Shikamaru opted to use a well planned ambush is also testament that he couldn't take them on directly in a direct fight.
Storywise, Asuma has the role of a high ranking officer of Konoha and a sensei going by context. That is nothing that Naruto and the other genin have not fought against, Asuma is a role for that of the story to progress and help progress some of the characters in it (Like his team), however, he still did not demonstrate much else that makes him an elite. Look at Hayate vs Baki, both jounin and Hayate was one-shotted, rank means nothing, he was only admired for being able to use a advanced technique. Rank means nearly squat after a certain point.
Shikamaru stated that the person to be a decoy against the trackers would likely die, then stated that he is the best choice since he could be a decoy without dying. The purpose was to get to Sasuke on time, not take out all the trackers. Even then, again, he nearly one-shotted all of them except the one hiding.
They wouldn't be able to use taijutsu and take them out like that, no. However Shikamaru clearly demonstrated the same kind of ability with a different way and Temari was able to clear a entire forest, so yes I think she could have taken them out too.
Yup, Neji did not react to Gai and Kakashi (The fastest people there) and 3 others blindsiding him to stop his attack, he was not going at full speed, anyone can clearly see that, he was simply running, no indication of his speed at all.
Baki is an elite jounin of Sand. Hayate wasn't. He was a special jounin. Just for clarification on that.
He nearly one shotted them all as a result of a well planned ambush. Shikamaru knew he couldn't take them on in a direct fight. Shikamaru played to his incredible strength at the expense of the fodder. If Asuma was there he would have just blitzed them all and the smoked to add insult to injury.
Maybe Temari but only because of the lethal jutsu In the end of the part 1 they were reaching high chunin/low jounin status at the bare least. In fact many consider Kimimaro elite jounin level. Him vs Hidan and Him vs Asuma have been popular matched in many naruto battle forums.
Regardless its an indication of speed. The fact the fodder blitzing Asuma showed yet Shikamaru couldn't at least in speed should tell you something.
That is not the same, seeing a pattern of attack AFTER being saved and experiencing it is not the same as reacting before the attack is made or by muscle movement and memory like Azula was doing.
Also, Sakura is one of the smartest shinobi next to Shikamaru and Kakashi and Chiyo even remarked how extraordinary that was, I don't see how her, albeit memorizing, the attack pattern is any indication Hidan could do the same, a character mocked for his stupidity. Chiyo was also using her, just not the same as before since she had only one hand.
You want a thread of Asuma, no edo tensei, vs The sound 4, Part 1 Shikamaru, Part 1 Temari, and part 1 CS1 Sasuke? Okay.
After looking at the fight once more he and Hidan did not even fight at the point, after he was kicked Hidan leaped at him, Kakashi blocked, then Kakuzu attacked with a jutsu, then launched a lightning jutsu at the others, Kakashi then jumps in the way. Kakashi took 2 jutsu and still fought with Hidan, and yes by that point he was exhausted, he was pushing himself at that point. There was not fight at that point.
I am not exactly sure why you are showing Iron Sand Drizzle which happened before Sakura played ping pong with Sasori. It doesn't take away what I showed in that scan. My point was Sakura was learning to read Sasori's movements, I showed in that scan.
Hidan the stupidest Akatsuki member was able to figure out how Shadow Sewing worked and its drawbacks. It doesn't take a genious how earth bending works. Hidan wouldn't be able to deduce how Toph does it but he would notice how Toph's movements play a role and how earth is manipulated.
There is nothing stopping you from making the thread mein square.
Yes when Hidan leaped at him and swung multiple times and Kakashi blocked. That is a skirmish.
Nope he wasn't exhausted by then either. He wasn't panting nor he commented anything. If anything at the bare least he wasn't exhausted before Shikamaru fled with Hidan to somewhere else. You keep saying look at Kakashi but then that's just subjective.
Then again Kakashi did plan to use Kamui on Kakuzu before Naruto arrived you know. Kakashi against deidara used Kamui twice yet wasn't exhausted. Yet somehow a kick, wind jutsu, two raikiri makes Kakashi exhausted?