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Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Killer B VS all Fairy Tail Guilds

@ninja2170 said:

@321zigzag1: and what about doriate? I was wondering your opinion .

I believe Killer Bee will have his hands facing Makarov titan form or Gildarts either alone although Bijuu form's spamming bijuu bombs could make a difference but we will see. Although I believe Bee should defeat both one on one, as of this time being. Although fairy law by hype can change things.

Doriate? He isn't much of a threat really in my opinion to bijuu form although laws of natural regression affecting that is another topic.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Killer B VS all Fairy Tail Guilds

@ninja2170 said:

@321zigzag1: body restriction was used on Lucy (I think in the movie) but that being used plus fairy law and glitter and rustyrose could have just have underestimated his opponents and makroval has a lot of powerful spells and Minerva is very powerful and if that dosent work then just bring in doriate.

Rustyrose never was in the movie so. Makarov's best spell is fairy law, its just we never saw its max capacity. Its limited to the user's skill. In fact Hades implies it has limits when he stated clashing of both laws would end up worst conclusion.

Underestimation or not, his best spell was Tower of Dingir and also he went all out against Bixlow and Freed so he doesn't have much of an excuse.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Killer B VS all Fairy Tail Guilds

Way too much for Hachibi.

@ninja2170 said:

@bigz007: or lucy could create gemini and duplicate killer bee while kurohebi copies Gemini and creates killer bee also while rustyrose creates another killer bee or use body restriction magic.

Gemini has to touch Killer Bee and has time limit.

Kurohebi copies magic but Killer Bee focuses on taijutsu and kenjutsu with ration channeling, useless ofr him.

If Rustyrose could have imagined a copy he would have done it by now, but he never did. What body restriction?

@UltimateHero0406 said:

Pretty sure Erza can take him by herself.

Worst comes to worst. BIjuu form.

@DBZ_universe said:

Fairy Law

Maybe by hype but featwise I don't see it bringing it down a Tailed Beast.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Juubito vs. Zaraki

@eddz99 said:

@321zigzag1: You're also basing it off IC and BL so double standard

And may I repeat I have yet to say on my thoughts on the matter of such match.

I was just going off on you said, or at least what I thought you said. You be correct, if I said anything on it but I didn't. I was only responding off of yours. Although I do not think I was, in a way I can see why you may think so.

Therefore.

Any plausible misunderstanding here especially from my part and possible double standards I readily admit to error. Good?

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Juubito vs. Zaraki

@eddz99 said:

@321zigzag1 said:

By the way in all seriousness was this debatable?

@eddz99 said:

@flamesaber said:

@supernova7005:I suggested 3 of them to make an account

juubito has long range attacks,he is also faster than yama,he could kill him before using bankai.

Lolno. Even if juubito was faster, yama would still be the strongest since juubito would play with him in character ( juubito would have wiped out the whole shinobi alliance if he wanted to ), and in bloodlusted, yama activates his bankai directly.

You just pretty much indirectly implied that Juubito is above overall because Juubito goes IC vs. Yamamoto goes bloodlust mode.

You are basing it off IC and BL and character matchups as a more representative effect.

Lolno, try to understand more, i'm saying that yama wins both in IC and BL what i meant was if yama was IC and juubito was IC yama would win, on the other hand if yama was BL and juubito was BL yama still wins, you are also basing it off IC and BL because juubito wins if he is BL and yama was IC.

Double standarad.

The way you worded it made it seem like it so. Or I just poorly read it. Much of it is likely the latter from my part so that is my error.

Although take in mind you should know. I did not make a real statement on Yamamoto vs Juubito. You did. I didn't or I made it seem I implied something. I was just replying to your statement that was all. So not a double standard as much when I had yet to say anything on my part minus likely miscomprehension of yours.

Unless of course you want me to state on what I think on the match.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Hashirama vs Garp

@TheNeutralOne said:

There's some real speed. Moves so fast the ground breaks just from speed alone. No other naruto character can replicate those kinds of speeds and that isn't even close to the level of speeds you are putting them on.

While I get your point, you are also attributing to artistic effect in a way. And also key point, Part 1 Rock Lee isn't a top tier speedster. BM Naruto and Juubito never made those yet Kishimoto shows them way light years ahead of Part 1 Rock Lee.

That supersonic attack has been heavily debated and its up to you, its split.

@taichokage said:

That's true. Let us not forget that Gai himself stated that his 7th gate form was only supersonic and that was his punch. Given that a punch is faster than typical movement speed, it's a stretch to even say 7th gate is supersonic as a whole. Anyway Supersonic is anything between Mach 1 - 5. Gai is maximum Mach 5 and that's in 7th gate. Lee who could not use 7th gate, at least not at the time would be slower than that. Let us also not forget that Kishimoto himself said that if guns were in the Naruto world, they would dominate over the shinobi. Now of course I wont assume that's true for any top tiers revealed after he said this including Hashirama, but that gives you a good idea of the speed and level that the overwhelming majority of Naruto characters fall under. These speed calcs of Mach hundreds and thousands are completely ridiculous and contradict both character statements and author statements as well.

First of all there are two translations on that.

One says supersonic. Other says, friction made from fire. I like the 2nd one better because it seems to be more accurate in the feat showings and plus supersonic kind of contradicts.

Raikage and KCM Naruto are supposed to be faster than 6 Gated Gai yet they don't make flames.

And also key point, fire from friction is very likely a hypersonic attack or low hypersonic or higher at least usually.

Also your guns statement is a misunderstanding. Kishimoto said kunai and shurikens couldn't compete but more importantly ruin the ninja likeness of it. Instead you just get a regular modern shooter manga shonen like any other. Not as unique. Even if he indirectly stated it as I show here.

Firstly, projectile weapons such as guns aren’t allowed. (The one exceptionis Inari’s bowgun.) Guns aren’t suited to ninja. Gunpowder is used in the anime,though I don’t think it should be there. And, vehicles such as aeroplanes arenot allowed. I try to restrain technology that can be used for war... Forexample, if missiles were in it, it’d be the end. (laughs)

Firstly, that interview is very old. In fact I recall it being a decade old at least. 2nd, he seems to implu more on ninja likeness and finally being a very old interview, its not a fair accurate representation of now. Kishimoto is a human and people change minds. If he intended guns to be superior which is only implied a little at best here even then that's debatable, things are way different now. You see Asura Path's missiles and other hax jutsus that are worse than missiles (well depending on the missile).

Finally Pain's rasenshuriken feat makes me think that supersonic+ was a legit established feat in that series if supersonic airwaves wasn't convincing.

then again it doesn't change that majority of naruto characters including fodder are not supersonic but likely subsonic at best. But it doesn't detract the plausible handful ones.

@5th said:

@TheNeutralOne said:

And yes, generally no one in Naruto isn't even supersonic, but Hashirama and Madara have proven otherwise because they're TOP TIERS.

Yes most aren't or at least subsonic range. But I dare say high tier speedsters can plausibly break that mark.

Anyway reaction feat wise it should be known strong hypersonic reactions in the top tier at least exist.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Juubito vs. Zaraki

@taichokage said:

Help! Just kidding. Coming right up.

I like this link as well.

If you do not mind good sir.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Juubito vs. Zaraki

By the way in all seriousness was this debatable?

@eddz99 said:

@flamesaber said:

@supernova7005:I suggested 3 of them to make an account

juubito has long range attacks,he is also faster than yama,he could kill him before using bankai.

Lolno. Even if juubito was faster, yama would still be the strongest since juubito would play with him in character ( juubito would have wiped out the whole shinobi alliance if he wanted to ), and in bloodlusted, yama activates his bankai directly.

You just pretty much indirectly implied that Juubito is above overall because Juubito goes IC vs. Yamamoto goes bloodlust mode.

You are basing it off IC and BL and character matchups as a more representative effect.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Hulk vs Ichigo, Yusuke, Naruto, Luffy and Tsuna

@AnimeDefender said:

@321zigzag1 said:

I first thought this was World War Hulk.

You like making that face don't you!!!!!!!

Is something wrong?

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Thor vs Four Heavenly Kings & SSG Goku

@taichokage said:

He can, and he has multiple striking, moving and reacting feats of FTL caliber, in some instances MFTL. He's also beaten many FTL characters such as Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Sentry, Hyperion, and other lesser speedsters with extreme ease such as Quicksilver and Hermes who are massively Hypersonic.

In before "Peak Human level of reactions Thor."

Anyway in the classic marvel age, he even scared away Galactus. Although classic age, the gap between skyfathers and Galactus were small I believe.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Hulk vs Ichigo, Yusuke, Naruto, Luffy and Tsuna

I first thought this was World War Hulk.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Clash of the Planet destroyers, Duo.Exe vs Galactus

Galactus by peak is supposed to be high universal level then again fully fed Galactus technically doesn't exist because in theory his upper limit isn't known but anyway.

I recall Watcher once stating Galactus having the power to destroy the universe 10 times over at full peak but anyway.

What is the peak of Duo.Exe? I am also assuming Galactus is serious not on PIS mode.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Natsu vs Kisame

Natsu should be above Kisame at this point in LFD state or Atlas flame state. However, Kisame's ability to barf seas and even make a mountain sized dome of water, let alone he can walk on water is a great counter to Natsu. If Kisame wins this by using the dome for example + samehada fusion to drown Natsu in a battle of attrition, its not because he is stronger but likely based on the fact its more of a matchup case. Similarly, Giant Shark Missile is a projectile counter.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Asura vs Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann

@ReiKai said:

@321zigzag1: When Asura finally punches Chak, he's only about the size of the dot in the middle of Chak's forehead. Chak is around multi-system or larger in size, relatively. And that's really nothing more than a shell.

Wait so his real form surpasses pyron in size who is bigger than milky way?

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Luffy vs Thor

@katanalauncher said:

@321zigzag1 said:

Comic book inconsistency - low end feats Thor loses.

There are no low end feat short of extreme PIS outliers that will put Thor below luffy.

Its not as bad as silver surfer's.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Asura vs Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann

@ReiKai said:

@UltimateHero0406: Uh, no. Asura could not obtain Destructor form without first being given the Mantra Reactor. Wyzen refers to Asura as the Destructor, but Asura does not gain nor display that form until After he gets the Mantra Reactor. We see this first hand as Asura opens his chest platings to absorb the energy from Chak's blast directly into the Mantra Reactor embedded in his chest.

All this reminds me is the size discrepancy arguments on Chakravartin's true size.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Luffy vs Thor

Comic book inconsistency - low end feats Thor loses.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Danzo Vs Onoki

@Obito said:

Onoki stomps.

Only because Danzo doesn't start unsealed although Shisui's eye doesn't seem to be banned and by hype that could be enough.

@UltimateHero0406

said:

Jinton: Hakuri no Jutsu!

Game over

Just saying Shisui's Eye doesn't seem to be banned.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Bernkastel vs Franklin Richards

@CerusSerenade said:

Franklin Richards get eaten by ten quadrillion cats. I am not kidding.

@Echelon9

said:

Bern is universal+ and is an abstract concept. She was tanking big bangs and big crunches with another universal abstract. And she uses probability magic with the power to accomplish anything as long as the percentage of success isn't zero.

I heard Franklin in the future was universal level as well. Resurrecting Galactus and defeating a Mad Celestial although I suppose Franklin in the future is a low end one if he is.

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