See what your not understanding is that you are relying on calcs to give them speed. Regardless of whether or you think you are or not you are. It is quite evident in the examples you have given.
Do you read what is not there for this statement?
Did I not just tell you do not bring up calculations to me when I didn't even use it? Must I repeat myself twice now? Now if I did, show me where and then so help me God.
Other than the FRS or rasenshuriken calc one which is not really needed to be calculated because manga provides a time frame. Distance is interpretation though.
I never brought any calculations up. In fact if you bother to recall any discussions in the past I never really went for calculations.
I brought up examples even if some could be wrong although I believe they aren't but subject to debate.
You are going based off of the assumption there are naruto characters faster than hypersonic without any proof ever being shown. You are saying juubito is massively hypersonic. Truth is if no one in naruto was ever supersonic he wouldn't have to be massively hypersonic to beat them. But see based off your assumption everyone in naruto is hypersonic you believe juubito to be much greater.
Do not put words in my mouth, I didn't say "Everyone is Hypersonic." Where did I state it, NeutralOne?
I even said earlier I believe vast majority aren't above sound at least so lets see it put words in my mouth and then accuse me of calculations when I didn't really minus FRS one but I even said that didn't even to be calculated.
You accuse me of assuming when I brought up examples why I believe so at least in the realm of reaction that is concerned.
(I won't deny there will always be some assumption involved though because this is manga but still)
Instead of dealing with them one by one. You just say "nope" with no reason minus Madara Raikage example which I will get to later.
What exactly was it that tobirama reacted to btw? Because if i recall he was babying them with ease
Have you never heard of scaling? Comparative feats and etc? It's how Bleach characters got their hypersonic speed pretty much in the first place.
Juubito is the similar way.
He has to be much faster than Raikage and KCM Naruto. V2 Raikage c
But a better example is this. you are aware of BM Naruto's speed feat? Slapping 5 bijuu bombs away couple of kilometers away with pure speed alone? That is a very plausible strong hypersonic feat right there and Juubito was quite much faster than that that even BM Naruto later admitted at his speed too.
Anyway recall when Juubito before exerting control blitzed Tobirama and Hashirama wood clone. However later Tobirama also revealed that he managed to place tags and FTG seal on Juubito in the back. In other words he managed to react to him at that speed although if he wasn't an edo he would have died regardless.
There you go.
Madara reacting to Raikage. It is clearly stated that when one enters into the gated state their physical abilities far surpass that of kages. I don't get why you scale raikage above gated gai if he is above him in physical abilities in that state. Obviously at base he is probably faster than them but with the gates they succeed him.
Have you never read the part where Raikage states he is the fastest shinobi alive minus Minato back in the day? Kishimoto words really comes down to.
Have you also never read the part that its 8 gates you are referring to.
Not 7. Not 6. Not 5.
Not other gates. Jus 8 gates is when kage level is fully surpassed at least for Gai's case.
Raikage and KCM Naruto also showed more speed feats than Gated Gai (partly because Gated Gai wasn't shown often).
Here is also another problem. Kisame actually managed to react to Gated Gai to an extent. Even in 6 gates when he kicked flame from friction speed Kisame still barely reacted before being kicked. He also reacted to Afternoon Tiger underwater although it was supposed to be a punch above his 6th gates speed.
He was blitzed by KCM Naruto whose top speed is comparable to V2 Raikage. Do you see where I am going with this?
However I understand that it does seem strange because of what gates does so many narutoverse only debates treat 6 gates and 7 gates in a similar ball park speed with V2 Raikage and KCM Naruto.
Starkk's speed cannot be put into question because he has gone through the proper power scaling method. Person a is so fast and person b outspeeds person a therefore person b is faster.
Oh so you scaled here. Guess what. I did the same thing with BM Naruto and Juubito as well.
Madara's reaction to Tsunade transferring jutsu?
FRS example involving with the Chibaku Tensei crater.
Temari reacting to sound in part 1?
All of this is comparative scaling. See? No calculations which I made it clear since at least last post.
Sonido's movements are just like the flying thunder god technique. They disappear and reappear in another area via moving quickly. People in naruto are slower than such movements therefore he is faster
Sonido is speed so it will never faster in FTG because its instant teleportation. Speed is relative to the opponent's view. However since Sonido is an actual faster than eye speed technique I say somewhere in between.
You aren't going to argue Starrk will look like instant speed for every bleach character are we?
But like I said somewhere in between because sonido like shunshin like soru is also specialized speed technique.
Also if you are really going to rely on pure faster than eye trope. Many series do it yes even Naruto genin have done so you can't just rely purely on that.
Heck even Land of Waves Sasuke did instant blitz faster than eye speed. But of course speed is not equal.
You make no sense. Ninjas rely on chakra. Chakra is not infinite. Madara and hashirama fought and both were exhausted afterwards. Hashirama sustained no injuries a top of the godess yet he looked completely worn out. Therefore he will tire first. Starkk on the other hand only needs to float in the air and move out of range. Nothing to tire from. He's been shown casually spamming thousands of ceros without tiring. He can do it here just fine.
And where I did state anywhere Chakra is infinite? Now if you think I implied it that is my bad but I wasn't going for that.
Completely conjecture, Hashirama in sage mode had no problems with chakra exhaustion. Madara was able to fight 24 hours straight and Hashirama in base had comparable chakra levels if not more. Sage Mode boosts it.
Perhaps you thought I meant infinite in the first sentence but even then.
I even implied MAdara and Hashirama had enormous chakra reserves but not infinite. 24 hours isn't infinite. It means they have a lot. Heck both in base. Sage Mode boosts it. That is all I said.
When Madara came back to HAshirama with EMS for the first time, he fought for an entire day. Manga statement directly.
Also we don't know how long Madara and Hashirama fought in the valley of the end. When PErfect Susanoo was destroyed and Buddha Statue lost nearly all its arms. They were still fine.
Some time passed later unknown time length and by this.
We still see they were worn out but not that exhausted until Madara "fell".
What I am saying is that. We know HAshirama and MAdara chakra reserves and stamina. We don't know Starrk's.
Hence why I said completely conjecture.
YOu can't automatically give Starrk's stamina superiority when.
A) We don't know how long we can fight. That is all.
B) You are giving Hashirama less credit than you recall.
Hashirama isn't going to drop the ball with less than an hour in stamina.
Also I never disputed Starrk's long range game (which I referenced many times in this topic) and although we never saw him fire thousands of ceros in the arc, I don't doubt he can because he was confident.