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Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sora vs Byakuya

@DBZ_universe said:

Yeah, I have trouble believing that too. If he was planetary then he should had defeated Sephiroth or put up a better fight.

This reminds me how KH creators said Xemnas at the time in the end of KH2 he was the strongest KH character.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@321zigzag1 said:

1. What do you think?

2. Okay let's analyze this shall we?

3. I fail to see how him being a golden child answers my Susanoo question. Intelligence can help sure, but it won't help much against a person from a different verse with fighting capabilities he is unaware of.

4. Renji's flight gives him the advantage of keep away which is more than enough. Itachi is well known for his poor stamina, he has to act fast. The only move I see him connecting with is Yasaka Magatama.

5. Clones can just easily get mowed down by his bankai you know. And look's like you agree Stamina is a factor, so why would he waste chakra on clones? That would mean less energy to use on Susanoo no? His MS has a killer toll on his body, he can't afford to expend the extra chakra on fodderizable clones.

6. True, but the feats pre time skip should suffice.

It was rhetorical but to make a point that people only mainly focused on his eyes.

Oh?

Golden Child is a joke on Kishimoto uchiha love. Minato fits the bill there well sort of to. You do realize that Itachi didn't have much knowledge on Nagato's abilities. Chibaku Tensei being the thing. He likely didn't know shared vision either before using base Bee as guinea pig unintentionally. Itachi didn't have any ideas on Sage Kabuto abilities either. HE knew sage mode but that was it. It doesn't take a genius to figure out basic physical abilities.

As with the others. You are not explaining what this keep away strategy or zoning tactic would be. Renji doesn't fight like that either. And also about stamina if this was Sick Itachi I would agree but if this is supposedly healthy Itachi, he isn't going to drop dead in 15 minutes. Most superhuman fights aren't going to last that long. I say flight allows him to dodge Yasaka better but its speed is unknown so I won't say anything.

Of course clones get mowed down easily, that's the point for distraction. What you said for Itachi's lack of knowledge works both ways for Renji too. Except Itachi does a better job of surprising his opponents. Why? Because Itachi always uses clones. His very sick self used one shadow clone, and MS 4 times afterwards. Susanoo was said to consume lifeforce. HE did use it when his stamina was barely existent.

Lets take the fact that its very possible that his bankai is vulnerable would be vulnerable to totsuka blade. Shikai is a no brainer. His bankai isn't close to kirin's power.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@321zigzag1: And you're assuming his Susanoo helps because?

We use feats no?

We must then take everything under consideration.

For example Itachi being Kishi's golden child blessed with intelligence and quick thinking. Renji isn't a type of such compared to him.

If Renji being small or flight renders Totsuka blade less effective its still good against his shikai and bankai. Susanoo main purpose though is providing durability, enhanced reach, and better reflex than your normal body could.

Clones are just another strategy Itachi loves to abuse. Stamina is the only main one Post Skip Renji has honestly for me.

Unfortunately though we didn't see much of post skip bankai capabilities yet.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@Carter_esque said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@Carter_esque said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@Carter_esque said:

Renji is the Bleach-verse's equivalent of Yamcha. He constantly fails and rarely ever succeeds. Itachi .

I thought that was Chad.

Him too lol

Then what about Orihime?

@SpeedForceSpider

said:

@SMXLR8: Then Renji wins. The feat posted should prove that much.

Sure if Renji hit Itachi without Susanoo that is or assuming that isn't a clone variant.

She's Videl lol

But Orihime is too emotional and can't even brawl.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@Carter_esque said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@Carter_esque said:

Renji is the Bleach-verse's equivalent of Yamcha. He constantly fails and rarely ever succeeds. Itachi .

I thought that was Chad.

Him too lol

Then what about Orihime?

@SpeedForceSpider

said:

@SMXLR8: Then Renji wins. The feat posted should prove that much.

Sure if Renji hit Itachi without Susanoo that is or assuming that isn't a clone variant.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@Carter_esque said:

Renji is the Bleach-verse's equivalent of Yamcha. He constantly fails and rarely ever succeeds. Itachi .

I thought that was Chad.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 Captains vs. Three Admirals

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

It isn't a stomp one way or the other, both sides have the potential to win, due to Yama being there it is definitely more in Gotei's favor.

To be perfectly honest I am pretty sure Kizaru is the only potential problem for Yamamoto in bankai.

It's just Yamamoto doesn't charge in the beginning normally.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 Captains vs. Three Admirals

@taichokage said:

Aokiji needs to be close to flash freeze, not to mention if Yama goes bankai it would nullify Aokiji's power.

I think that is a massive understatement.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 Captains vs. Three Admirals

@luthluth said:

@321zigzag@321zigzag1 said:

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@ohgodwhy said:

Itachi is probably one of the worst opponents for Renji. I can imagine the fight going something like this.

Renji teleports behind and backhands the shit out of Itachi. Easy win he thinks, but all of a sudden Itachi turns into crows. Renji turns around and ends up looking directly into Itachi's eyes and it's game over. With no possible answer for MS, Renji gets tortured for 72 hours and collapses like Kakashi did.

Take away genjutu and Itachi's in for a world of hurt but I don't think that would really make it a fair fight then because you've taken away one of Itachi's greatest weapons.

Bah, I still say even without genjutsu and Tsukiyomi, the only problems are flight and stamina issues for Itachi.

Bankai is still vulnerable to clashing of Sword of Totsuka and Amaterasu too me says.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 Captains vs. Three Admirals

@luthluth said:

@321zigzag1: ITS NOT POISON! its a hax ability that kills in two hits What kind of poison makes you vanish completely.

One of a kind, Unique Hax Poison

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Espadas vs Jinchuuriki

@FormerCrimsonKing said:

@321zigzag1: not only is he not smart enough, but what are the chances of him targeting obito out of a group of 8?

Hypothetically there is a chance so we have to take that into consideration but its not pretty high.

Although here is one thing. Tobi seems to be the main guy. Lets go get him first.

But other than that reasoning Zommari won't.

Now another chance is that other observant Espada can tell Zommari to get Tobi for example as they are a team but we don't know their team work very well.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 Captains vs. Three Admirals

@phantomrant said:

wank, wank, wank.

@321zigzag1 said:

So it is poison? Thanks for clearing it up. I thought it was more of a unique death hax involving double hits or something.

The poison supposedly enters through the crest that Suzumebachi puts on the opponent somehow.

Who's wanking?

Anyway so I guess its combination of poison and unique death hax as Taichokage says.

How would that factor in poison immunity? And yes I am aware immunity has relative limits too I suppose in fiction.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Espadas vs Jinchuuriki

@taichokage

said:

I was ticked Kubo took away Dangai. Presumably he's even stronger now (still had to wait 2+ years for that assuming its true) but we will have to see. It shouldn't be too long now. Also to stay on the topic of the thread, if they're Edo tensei the Espada get killed. Badly.

Don't worry. You'll see Ichigo burst a dimension then you can be supremely satisfied.

@taichokage said:

Baraggan dilates time then Zommari stamps Obito's head with Amor. Boy would the tide turn.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 Captains vs. Three Admirals

@taichokage said:

He can't fly, but because of his light powers he can seemingly change direction at will, giving him a sort of psuedo flight.

As long he keeps moving I suppose.

@Destinyheroknight said:

@luthluth:

Dude, quit making excuses. Both Crunchyroll and Viz translation said it. And in the Japanese version, she said Doku (meaning poison)

Also, you the one who bring up the Anime version, saying "You just prove to me you never watched Bleach." so you are wrong on this one (also we can use feats from both anime and manga)

So it is poison? Thanks for clearing it up. I thought it was more of a unique death hax involving double hits or something.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 & Akatsuki vs W.I.S.E & Fairy tail Guild

@TheNeutralOne said:

Not the w.i.s.e from psyren right? Because they would stomp hard.

There aren't any other W.I.S.E to my knowledge so yes Psyren's group.

@FormerCrimsonKing

said:

Speed equal.

No tailed beasts for akatsuki

This shoul be alot more fair than the previous gotei vs randoms thread.

Just random curiosity not saying it will make a big difference, but when you mean Akatsuki, do you mean as in

Akatsuki full power?

Like in 10,000 Zetsu, plus 7 bijuu + statue with Tobi's paths along with the original members?

Or just the original members with Tobi having sharingan or including rinnegan too?

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sora vs Byakuya

@Baal_Raam said:

@CerusSerenade: I don't think we should be calculating anything besides noticing the fact that Sora is blitzing light elemental Attacks. I'm not saying thats light speed, although its possible, im simply saying that if Sora is moving this fast, and stopping a thousands of Xemnas attacks like this, then its obvious whos the fastest.

DJSNuva1

We can only assume, just know hes intercepting light based attacks on an extreme level. I don't know if there are any giving speeds for those things.

Assuming Sora has planet level potency going by your train of logic, the games doesn't seem to portray him as such but I could be wrong its been a while I looked at KH.

What are your overall stats on Sora?

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@ImmortalWatchDog said:

@321zigzag1: Yes, of course, I did not imply that the correlations between the PTS and the TS were completely off, since you'd wonder if he's aware of what a contradiction is, which would basically make one of his statements lose their value if you would like.

FRS failed, that's what I said, but I claimed cho rasengan, which was my fault, but nevertheless I did not make a mistakes, since he, naruto, never actually killed one of the dogs, but instead, the dogs split and multiplied...

Character statement shouldn't be taken into consideration, considering that we know amaterasu does not have cutting properties, nor was the hachibi engulfed in its flames for while, so the obvious chances of him losing his tail to the amateraasu are way off given the amount of proof that we have; Amaterasu does not have cutting properties. Hachibi cut its own tail in order to escape without signaling to sasuke that he is carrying the fake one, and not the genuine one. It was later revealed that Killer B faked his capture... Considering that amaterasu didn't cut karin, should be enough proof...

Besides, which zigzag is this? I know two zigzags?

Hence why I was talking about focused and nonfocused ones, its the best I can do to try to reconcile it and it does work somewhat in the midst of inconsistencies and that Kishimoto usually sucks at using it.

If you want a better example in Part 2. Itachi's focused amaterasu burned Sasuke's CS2 wing. While left alone ones just burned tree tops. And cursed seal enhances durability.

And yes Amaterasu eliminated the dogs which FRS didn't beforehand. Ironic too that KCM Naruto didn't even react to it, he seemed surprised when they appeared there.

You would be right except he didn't his limbs were "cut off". He said "loss".

Well there is no reason for Hachibi to lie to Killer Bee and we did see Hachibi screaming in pain from Amaterasu (focused by Sasuke) and we did see Sasuke cut only one tail off. That cut off tail was likely the one used to escape. We never say other tails cut off.

Also he said "loss of limbs". Loss is a broad term so. And if you know bijuu durability, their tails are the least durable part.

Sasuke cutting a tail. 3rd Raikage cutting off all Hachibi tails with his finger. BM Naruto Kyuubi losing tails first when tanking Juubi 1st form beam.

Tails. Tails. Tails. Tails. Tails.

And yes Amaterasu lacks cutting but because Hachibi said loss not cut its possible the focused amaterasu burned some of his limbs off and that bijuu tails are less durable for lolkishi reasons.

there are two zigzags? well I did know a dupe called 321zagzig but that was years ago.

@Dream said:

Genjutsu and Susanoo are gonna be Itachi's means he'll have to rely on to get past Renji. I believe Renji's faster here (not enough to blitz Itachi, but fast enough to make things difficult for the Uchiha) and has advantage in most attributes for this match. Itachi would have to plan carefully with his abilities and end things quickly since his stamina is not too good thanks to his health. A well-aimed genjutsu or use of Sword of Totsuka would give Itachi victory, though I'm still giving advantage for Renji in this match.

I believe MS Hax overall should give Itachi better advantages over Post Time Skip Renji's superior physical stats and flight. Stamina is really the main issue here but I don't think that assuming hypothetical healthy itachi like for a fight that usually ends within less than half an hour likely in manga at max, I don't think its a big issue. Sick version I agree with you although Erasercannon's tsukiyomi comment comes in for me.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Baraggan Lousienbairn Vs Admiral Kizaru

@taichokage said:

Confirmation of his having awareness haki? He may have it but when has he been show to utilize it? A lightspeed character presumably with observation haki getting tagged by Marco, Rayleigh and Whitebeard? It doesn't add up. Even if he does have it he must not be good at its usage. With observation haki and being the fastest character in OP, he shouldn't be capable of being hit ordinarily. Also even if he knows what Baraggan can do it won't help him with time dilation.

Just to clear things up in Released mode does he also still have time dilation? Bleach wiki likes to imply it gets upgraded into respire aura around him. Or maybe I am reading it wrong.

@TheNeutralOne

said:

Though light cannot be "aged" in the way we humans do over a period of time it can be worn down and spread out into almost a tiny speck of light.

Well that answeres that question, although can't Kizaru in theory just reform?

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