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Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 & Akatsuki vs W.I.S.E & Fairy tail Guild

@TheNeutralOne said:

@321zigzag1:

Well grimoire law and fairy law are about the same thing right? So them clashing would cause a problem.

They couldn't cast fair law on acnologia cuz he casually 1shotted them right?

But either way i'll probably get to fairy tale sometime in teh future. For right now its on super hold.

Yes but it also implies limits in a indirect way. Although Hades' should be stronger since he is quite above Makarov.

Makarov didn't rather he used it to hold the dragon off so maybe he didn't have time to use it, but to be honest I don't think it would have worked or do much.

What mangas you read these days? Well if you get back to FT, always remember what to expect.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sora vs Byakuya

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: Ha I did not knew that neither! thank you for sharing that.

Now I can stop thinking why Sora never appears in FF games lol

There is always fanfiction crossover.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 & Akatsuki vs W.I.S.E & Fairy tail Guild

@TheNeutralOne said:

@321zigzag1:

Doesn't fairy law instantly destroy anyone you recognize as an enemy or something like that? I

Well it says its supposed to eliminate the enemy. Although the current FT wiki changed it to "inflict heavy damage" I guess because they aren't sure. Laxus implies its supposed to kill you but for Jose Porla who Makarov used it against he wasn't dead but he couldn't do anything as he was reduced to a harmless state. Maybe Makarov held back then I don't know.

Hades mentioned its supposed to be deterrent magic not necessarily offensive.

My concern is how it inflicts damage. Physicall? Or something else? We don't know.

@TheNeutralOne

said:

@321zigzag1:

if so its limits are endless unless you yourself control various concepts of existence in which case you would have the ability to deny fairy law. Its description is clear and its limits is anybody you recognize as an enemy.

Well HAdes himself implied limits when he said Grimoire Law and Fairy Law clashing would bring worst possible conclusions. And Makarov never used it on Acnologia. So that also implies limits.

My concern more is this.

How does it inflict damage and to what extent?

If its straight up physical damage then its easier to argue against it. I am just bringing up how Fairy Law is broad in description than one might think.

After all Jose to Gotei 13 some members of Akatsuki at least in physical durability don't compare at all for example.

@TheNeutralOne said:

@321zigzag1:

Granted its not needed here and i really don't like fairy tail that much anymore. I enjoyed it at first but then after acnologia things go slow and i got bored.

Grand Magics Tournament went slowly bad and the ending to it and the Future Rogue one was pretty bad.

Frozen village arc was ok.

However Tartaros arc is picking up pretty well until of course nakama punch to victory. Biggest hax there is since Talk No Jutsu.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sora vs Byakuya

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: I can agree to that.

Also isn't KH2 Seph also FF7 Seph? Or am I totally wrong?

YEs and no. Multiversal logic you know. Alternate universe logic you know? I blame comics for this.

Not to mention can we truly say FF7 and KH Sephiroth are the same? FF in KH are different in a way.

Ah thanks for clearing that up. Makes a lot of sense.

So Sora vs Seph is non canon to the actual Seph correct?

To the main Final Fantasy canon yes Sora doesn't play a role unless Square Enix allows it. KH FF is an alternate universe of FF mingles with Disney.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 & Akatsuki vs W.I.S.E & Fairy tail Guild

@TheNeutralOne said:

@FormerCrimsonKing:

Do you read psyren btw?

And its alright I could understand you trying to make it fair its just between fairy law and instant carbonization this fight isn't really that great.

Carbonization brought results, however Fairy Law has relative hypothetical limits on the hands of the user and we don't know its upper limits either. Ironically I say Akatsuki has more ways of surviving Fairy Law than Gotei 13 unless we are talking about straight up physical tanking.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sora vs Byakuya

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: I can agree to that.

Also isn't KH2 Seph also FF7 Seph? Or am I totally wrong?

YEs and no. Multiversal logic you know. Alternate universe logic you know? I blame comics for this.

Not to mention can we truly say FF7 and KH Sephiroth are the same? FF in KH are different in a way.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sora vs Byakuya

@supernova7005 said:

@321zigzag1 said:

Now this is the first time I have heard of this for Cloud.

Vincent creates a multi continent level explosion....

Zack laughs at moonbusters...

Cloud >>>> Zack and Vincent.

Yeah, its more than enough to solo the HST

Perhaps people are just more familiar with the base form.

See now all you did now was to make me hope that my joke prediction about Narutoverse Moon getting destroyed comes true.

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: KH2 Sephiroth was not even trying against Sora and pretty much called him weak.

He didn't say weak. He admitted Sora was skilled but then again take it what you will. KH Sephiroth isn't the strongest version of sephiroth anyway.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sora vs Byakuya

@supernova7005 said:

@DBZ_universe: Yep. Cloud is more than enough solo the HST

Now this is the first time I have heard of this for Cloud.

@DBZ_universe

said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@DBZ_universe said:

Yeah, I have trouble believing that too. If he was planetary then he should had defeated Sephiroth or put up a better fight.

This reminds me how KH creators said Xemnas at the time in the end of KH2 he was the strongest KH character.

Lol Sephiroth would destroy him.

Not in KH I suppose. KH Sephiroth loses.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 & Akatsuki vs W.I.S.E & Fairy tail Guild

@FormerCrimsonKing said:

Wasn't trying to make a stomp thread. I tried to make it a fair one.

Well I am not an expert in Psyren, I will tell you that much. I do recall W.I.S.E. having large scale abilities that are pretty nifty.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 & Akatsuki vs W.I.S.E & Fairy tail Guild

@GhostRipple said:

what is wise?

Fairy Tail is fodder for Gotei13/Akatsuki.

most of their members can easily sol FT guild.

Mandatory Fairy Law GG statement.

Sorry it had to be done.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@SMXLR8 said:

@Carter_esque: just be cautious next time

Noted

@SpeedForceSpider

said:

@321zigzag1 said:

lol basic physical abilities? Sage Mode and the most powerful Dojutsu is not by any means basic. Actually it does take a genius to figure out how to counter it. You're kinda contradicting yourself there, but I'll give you that one.

Why need there be a detailed explanation on a strategy so simple? And yes actually he does fight from a distance especially in his Shikai and more so Bankai. Healthy Itachi is just pure speculation, as you said earlier feats no? Gotta roll with feats just look at Sasuke when he had his normal MS, even he was terrible at keeping his techniques up. Yeah I know he isn't as amazing as his Big bro, but that is the closest thing you get to a healthy MS Itachi feat wise. Not really going to argue speed so I just assume they are rather close in that department.

Yeah at the cost of spending unnecessary chakra on something so trivial. Shadow clone Jutsu isn't a forbidden technique for no reason you know. Even someone as resilient as Itachi could suffer immensely from the drain. Why not use moves like Great Fire Ball Jutsu for a distraction? Actually if anything he uses Genjustu to distract his opponents especially the ones without knowledge, he catches them off guard the most out of anyone. Not to mention Genjutsu is a gamebreaker most of the time. The rules are literally robbing him of his specialty. Life force and chakra kinda work hand and hand here, so its hardly debatable whether it expenses stamina or not. Look at how tired EMS Madara was after using it combined with Kyuubi against Hashirama.

His bankai being close to Kirin or not in power is subjective, he has moves like Baboon Bone Canon or he can simply detach it and attack at all angles or coil around Itachi like a snake. It is way more versatile then you give it credit for.

Basic physical abilities are just one of many aspects of a fight you know. Skillset is also another. In a way I was contradicting but I also could have worded it better. Here is a better one. In regards to Base Renji, he isn't hard to figure. SHikai not too much, Bankai well. THe point is Itachi has a knack of figuring things out at one to two glance. Sort of like that Starrk and Ukitake shikai encounter.

So you declare that Renji for your case is going to use shikai and bankai to clash with Itachi? That gives more power to Totsuka and of course Amaterasu on them. That is the only range game he has? I already mentioned them. I was focusing on more on some kind of projectile spam or something.

Well yes this entire thread I have said hypothetical healthy Itachi is hypothetical so I knew I was going over the feat from the beginning but I do believe Edo Itachi was supposed to be representation of what base form healthy Itachi was supposed to be. So I approached both Sick and healthy route.

MS Sasuke was spamming MS for 10 minutes straight.

You call it trivial when Itachi always used clones so not really. He also has crow clones as well. Well there you Great Fireball as distraction. Itachi will soon figure MS is method of winning (like usually although genjutsu MS or regular sharingan are the most convenient). My point is that Itachi can use the same misdirection for his MS it just would be more difficult in a way that is all.

EMS Madara? He wasn't tired actually, he was completely fine. He was tired after some time though when they were facing against each other one last clash. Recall Madara was able to fight 24 hours straight.

THe point is Itachi when he was about to die, incredibly diseased and severely sick, and very low on chakra, was able:

1) Do Amaterasu Transcript Seal.

2) Keep up Full Susanoo for a short time.

Subjective? Well strictly speaking everything or almost everything in these battle threads are subjective but of course we try to make it more objective at the very least with the best support as possible. Which I will ask you now. Why do you think Bankai is close to Kirin? Especially that Baboon Bone Cannon of his? I suppose you can argue his reiatsu roes and the enhanced bone cannone omnidirectional spikes thing is one thing.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sora vs Byakuya

@DBZ_universe said:

Yeah, I have trouble believing that too. If he was planetary then he should had defeated Sephiroth or put up a better fight.

This reminds me how KH creators said Xemnas at the time in the end of KH2 he was the strongest KH character.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@321zigzag1 said:

1. What do you think?

2. Okay let's analyze this shall we?

3. I fail to see how him being a golden child answers my Susanoo question. Intelligence can help sure, but it won't help much against a person from a different verse with fighting capabilities he is unaware of.

4. Renji's flight gives him the advantage of keep away which is more than enough. Itachi is well known for his poor stamina, he has to act fast. The only move I see him connecting with is Yasaka Magatama.

5. Clones can just easily get mowed down by his bankai you know. And look's like you agree Stamina is a factor, so why would he waste chakra on clones? That would mean less energy to use on Susanoo no? His MS has a killer toll on his body, he can't afford to expend the extra chakra on fodderizable clones.

6. True, but the feats pre time skip should suffice.

It was rhetorical but to make a point that people only mainly focused on his eyes.

Oh?

Golden Child is a joke on Kishimoto uchiha love. Minato fits the bill there well sort of to. You do realize that Itachi didn't have much knowledge on Nagato's abilities. Chibaku Tensei being the thing. He likely didn't know shared vision either before using base Bee as guinea pig unintentionally. Itachi didn't have any ideas on Sage Kabuto abilities either. HE knew sage mode but that was it. It doesn't take a genius to figure out basic physical abilities.

As with the others. You are not explaining what this keep away strategy or zoning tactic would be. Renji doesn't fight like that either. And also about stamina if this was Sick Itachi I would agree but if this is supposedly healthy Itachi, he isn't going to drop dead in 15 minutes. Most superhuman fights aren't going to last that long. I say flight allows him to dodge Yasaka better but its speed is unknown so I won't say anything.

Of course clones get mowed down easily, that's the point for distraction. What you said for Itachi's lack of knowledge works both ways for Renji too. Except Itachi does a better job of surprising his opponents. Why? Because Itachi always uses clones. His very sick self used one shadow clone, and MS 4 times afterwards. Susanoo was said to consume lifeforce. HE did use it when his stamina was barely existent.

Lets take the fact that its very possible that his bankai is vulnerable would be vulnerable to totsuka blade. Shikai is a no brainer. His bankai isn't close to kirin's power.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@321zigzag1: And you're assuming his Susanoo helps because?

We use feats no?

We must then take everything under consideration.

For example Itachi being Kishi's golden child blessed with intelligence and quick thinking. Renji isn't a type of such compared to him.

If Renji being small or flight renders Totsuka blade less effective its still good against his shikai and bankai. Susanoo main purpose though is providing durability, enhanced reach, and better reflex than your normal body could.

Clones are just another strategy Itachi loves to abuse. Stamina is the only main one Post Skip Renji has honestly for me.

Unfortunately though we didn't see much of post skip bankai capabilities yet.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@Carter_esque said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@Carter_esque said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@Carter_esque said:

Renji is the Bleach-verse's equivalent of Yamcha. He constantly fails and rarely ever succeeds. Itachi .

I thought that was Chad.

Him too lol

Then what about Orihime?

@SpeedForceSpider

said:

@SMXLR8: Then Renji wins. The feat posted should prove that much.

Sure if Renji hit Itachi without Susanoo that is or assuming that isn't a clone variant.

She's Videl lol

But Orihime is too emotional and can't even brawl.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@Carter_esque said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@Carter_esque said:

Renji is the Bleach-verse's equivalent of Yamcha. He constantly fails and rarely ever succeeds. Itachi .

I thought that was Chad.

Him too lol

Then what about Orihime?

@SpeedForceSpider

said:

@SMXLR8: Then Renji wins. The feat posted should prove that much.

Sure if Renji hit Itachi without Susanoo that is or assuming that isn't a clone variant.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi VS Renji

@Carter_esque said:

Renji is the Bleach-verse's equivalent of Yamcha. He constantly fails and rarely ever succeeds. Itachi .

I thought that was Chad.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 Captains vs. Three Admirals

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

It isn't a stomp one way or the other, both sides have the potential to win, due to Yama being there it is definitely more in Gotei's favor.

To be perfectly honest I am pretty sure Kizaru is the only potential problem for Yamamoto in bankai.

It's just Yamamoto doesn't charge in the beginning normally.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gotei 13 Captains vs. Three Admirals

@taichokage said:

Aokiji needs to be close to flash freeze, not to mention if Yama goes bankai it would nullify Aokiji's power.

I think that is a massive understatement.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9
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