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Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kakashi vs Pain (REMATCH!)

I thought Perfect Susanoo was exclusive to EMS.

As for this, well sadly we never saw Prime Nagato at his full power since it was too short and Kabuto was controlling him but I won't be surprised Perfect Susanoo smashing through things.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kagura Mikazuchi Vs Bambietta Basterbine

This thread reminds me of how Kagura in the end was just another FT character endowed by transformation into a person filled Fairy Tail fangasm for Erza.

Erza can't lose and will never lose and it was a disappointment to me for Kagura's portrayal.

As for the statement of Kagura's mountain level of attack, are you scaling from Kagura's archenemy?
Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Suggestion Box for Battlations

@takashichea said:

@321zigzag1:

Sorry for the late reply. No, I'm not the reigning moderator. The title belongs to Dream. Sonata is inactive. I'm just here as a temp mod in case things go to hell in the battle forums.

I never really done a tournament before. How would you structure it? I can't really imagine it. Unless you have a blueprint, I can look over it.

I don't, I apologize, just throwing in ideas that some may be interested in. Tournaments are one way to keep some people to return after all but it takes a lot of effort.

Signups, scheduling, moderator support, debate day limits, overall time limits, topic debate discussions. etc

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Suggestion Box for Battlations

As advised by Takashichea the reigning moderator in this thread.

http://www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/rate-the-debaters/205095/?page=12

Not the first time I encountered thread like this.

Which led me to ask, has this place ever done some kind of debating tournament amongst yourselves? Wouldn't hurt.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@Vongola_Primo said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@Xanxus said:

@321zigzag1: Kyuubi is multi mountain. Juubi is island level.

If half kyuubi is multi mountain level what makes 1st form Juubi and up?

I can see the conical blast by the 2nd form being so at least and upward.

the venasaur form of juubi's bijuu ball the one minato put out is too big to be island level.

Then again islands vary in size.

Juubit's 4 combined I can see that being country level.

50% Kyuubi can only destroy 5 mountains. So 100% Kyuubi maybe 10x mountain level.

Juubi before being complete can destroy 50-100 mountains at most which is only small Island-Island level.

Complete Juubi seen in the flash back maybe small country level if we go by statements, but that is much stronger than Juubito or Current Juubi/Madara.

Maybe but shonen mangas have a tendency of exaggerating power when combined.

I don't know where you got 50-100 mountains from. Where did you get that number?

I will say this, that huge one by Minato looks way too big for 50 to 100. Also if we go by statements then your premise is false because we never saw Prime Juubi in action nor in the flashback so I don't even know why you are using it. Flashback doesn't show any action. By statement Juubi supposedly spit out oceans etc, essentially made much of the world or the world I suppose.

So I don't know how by statement gets Juubi reduced to mere island. That being said islands vary in size drastically but I think shonen mangas have their view of islands so anyway.

That conical blast shown in the background.

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/2/24589/699326-juubibigbang.jpg

I am very sure its here on this map. Sure Kishimoto like most mangakas don't draw well to scale but this is like this area.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110114161251/naruto/images/3/3e/Naruto_World_Map.svg

See upper central right, its also where the war is taking place.

Juubito can casually create 4 of the super massive ones.

Juubidara has barely done anything.

@Vongola_Primo said:

@5th said:

I'm mad? It seems like you are the one who is upset bcoz mid tiers in Bleach and high tiers in One Piece can solo Narutoverse 1 on 1.

A mid tier bleach or high tier OP character can defeat top tier naruto character one on one?

while Narutoverse tier levels are very lopsided.

The difference between the god tiers and lower ones in narutoverse are vary vast.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@taichokage said:

I agree with Xanxus. All Meteors move in the hypersonic range. The fastest ones observed around 40 miles a second, the slowest ones around 7. It doesn't matter if you highball or lowball it to the furthest extent. A meteor that size is at least in the tetraton range. That goes for Madara's meteor as well.

Madara's meteors should have had much bigger impact but we never got to see it plus it was slower to begin with compared to Fujitora's.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@Xanxus said:

@321zigzag1: Kyuubi is multi mountain. Juubi is island level.

If half kyuubi is multi mountain level what makes 1st form Juubi and up?

I can see the conical blast by the 2nd form being so at least and upward.

the venasaur form of juubi's bijuu ball the one minato put out is too big to be island level.

Then again islands vary in size.

Juubit's 4 combined I can see that being country level.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

We won't see a continental Juubi as of yet if that is Kishimoto is planning to show it or with Juubidara.

Right now Juubito is small country+ and up to country at max. And of course countries vary in size more so than islands and we all should know islands vary in size.

But we all should know that Prime Juubi is something we have not seen.

All we saw was incomplete Juubi.

We also know that Gremmy's meteor is being subject to severe debate but I can see why people say its downplay to rate the meteor to less than island.

@Xanxus said:

@Zerogodlike: Destroying a few mountains is continental now?

Which is something half Kyuubi was capable of when he pushed 5 bijuu bombs combined and a standard bijuu bomb a solid mountain level.

We already had some downplay on both Juubi and Gremmy on this thread let's not make it more so by mere "few mountains" either.

Unless suddenly the range of mountains 1st form juubi destroyed = few too.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@othus12 said:

Pain reached that level years ago

konoha is a village. and a small one for that matter. people know each other lol.

actual cities are extremely big.

define actual large cities.

A large town or a small city at least for konoha, I will also say that the forest of death was supposed to be inside which is 10 km in diameter which has led to some to think Konoha is at least 20 km or more in diameter.

Not that it diminishes what I said, 1st form Juubi razed a range of mountains if I recall which is better than city level in terms of pure vaporization.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

I am not sure why there is still this runaway notion that incomplete Juubi is still only city level when Pain reached that level years ago with his jutsus. Not to mention in some ways large mountain vaporization has more impressive technicalities.

It doesn't take too long for revisionist mentality to be at work for anywhere.

As for Soul Society size is concerned she said it was around 10 days walking distance if I recall. Sure its possible Kubo may have not completely understood it but we still have to take the phrase under some consideration unlike Los Noches which I think its more likely to be a rather very huge city.

@taichokage said:

Don't know if anyone was in that town. It was a war zone. Nobody was confirmed dead. Ino-Shika-Cho was when it was under control. That's why I said by itself.

It goes both ways. Most people will assume dead though because they have no reason to doubt it either.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@taichokage said:

He has no choice but to confront them eventually. But he obviously wants to do so on his own terms.

I won't be surprised if he fights them all 5 at once.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@luthluth said:

@321zigzag1:

Oh that scan. Well yes but he does seem to intend to confront them eventually.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Juubi Madara, 8 Gates Mighty Guy Vs Current Kenpachi

@taichokage said:

I don't know how to classify Guy either other than badass. I was sure that if any Sensei were given a final spotlight it would've been Kakashi. I'm glad it was Guy. His battles are always epic.

His 8 gates put 7 gates to absolute shame. So some members such as in MVC are going Night Elephant country level because he broke Madara's black chakra.

His final attack distorts space to the point of being noticeable which led to speculation on speed of that.

OBD and some of MVC went on a riot on that space distorting speed.

As for me it was Tuesday.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Juubi Madara, 8 Gates Mighty Guy Vs Current Kenpachi

As of now Juubito's 4 combined gigantic bijuu bombs are the largest destructive capacity. Small country level+ or more is something I can entertain on that easily.

That being said 8 Gates Gai, I am trying to see how to classify him.

Juubi Madara is just jobbing right now and barely has done anything.

His fight with Sasuke and Naruto should bring out his true strength.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@Zerogodlike said:

@taichokage:

since Bach wanted to avoid confrontation with them.

Where did he state that?

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Juubi Madara, 8 Gates Mighty Guy Vs Current Kenpachi

@5th said:

@Zerogodlike: That's not the point, if that was an ACTUAL meteorite, it would have more than just a city level effect, it would have planetary devastation, we still have to see the impact.

Sheesh.

While it doesn't make sense. Madara's two meteorites were still

1) much slower in speed

2) Gaara and Onoki slowed it down considerably

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Rikudou Madara Uchiha Vs Sosuke aizen

@taichokage said:

That sounds fair to me. For the record, I'm not trying to lowball Jubito. At the end of the day he can still outdo Aizen in DC.

Perfect Susanoo slash gets thrown in there for DC comparison.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Rikudou Madara Uchiha Vs Sosuke aizen

@taichokage said:

Even when Madara had Kurama cut through the mountains, Kurama was relatively close in size to those mountains as well. They couldn't have been more than a few hundred meters tall. True though, across the HST, mountains tend to be small. I'm no saying this is exclusive to Naruto.

Well Kyuubi in actual size we do know was quite bigger. The ones we see now are just yin or yang chakra versions which are smaller. Also Bijuu sizes are also inconsistent look at Hachibi in the Tobi fight where Gai and Kakashi were.

For the sake of debate mountain I notice, tends to be more of a normative view amongst authors.

@taichokage said:

The mountain Ichigo vaped was small too. I'm just saying because they tend to be so small, country level is too generous let alone continent level for most any HST character scaled to such levels not just Juubito.

Well I am not going to say continental level either simply because Madara in Rikudo Mode has barely shown anything.

I do see where Juubito being small country may come from.

The argument is exclusively based on scaling from Rikudo Sennin creating the moon on his death bed.. So in theory their continental argument could be correct but we don't have the technical feats yet.

Unless the giant conical bijuu bomb explosions on the land can be better explained as continents maybe then that's that.

Right now though Rikudo Madara barely showed anything. RInnegan Madara with just Sage Mode sort of lived to his hype, but not his jinchuriki form.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Rikudou Madara Uchiha Vs Sosuke aizen

@taichokage said:

The average mountain size in Naruto is small. Some people down play Dangai Ichigo saying its small for a mountain, when Kurama can stand right next to some of them and be almost the same size.

No that's just shonen manga in general especially with the HST. Size inconsistency has its useful arguments for example lets say we are comparing islands. Because its obvious islands have much more of a varied size and distance.

Mountains on the other hand are sort of a different matter so we have to be much more careful about it. Also Konoha mountain was small not the standard ones in Narutoverse.

Post by 321zigzag1 (638 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Itachi vs Six paths of Pain

@Kobra678 said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@Kobra678 said:

Just a question, since all of the Pain bodies share vision, if Itachi got one of them in Tsukuyomi, would that mean they all are in it?

6 of them share vision in a sense Nagato can see all of them.

Think of them as 6 cameras. Nagato can see through 6 televisions at the same time. One television is affected but not all. Neither the televisions or camera are linked to each other directly.

They are only linked in a sense that the viewer can see through all of them.

This isn't true. Proven when Naruto first fights the Preta Path. All 6 of them share vision with each other. That's the entire reason why he had to take out the Animal Path inside of the Toads mouth.

The camera logic isn't something I created. The toads used it as an example during SM Jiraiya vs Pain fight.

Preta Path happened first. Animal Path happened much later those two are not related events.

PReta Path failed because none of the Paths could anticipate the natural energy aura. Shared Vision helped Preta Path escape.

Animal PAth was blinded so they can take out the summoner so the Multiplying Cerberus summon would be eliminated.

Animal Path was inside the mouth yet the others had no idea where it was because they couldn't see the summoner not sure how this is proof.

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@321zigzag1: I thought he might mean that, in which case he has no argument. Both of them were just toying with each other, it was clear that neither Kakashi nor Obito were really affected by it. Hell, Obito might have even been using his sharingan there as well.

And I still call bullshit on that idea- no MS should ever be taken down by a regular genjutsu. If it was some exceptional, unique one, like Shisui's ability, then fair enough, but otherwise, I simply don't see it.

Either way, I don't see one tsukuyomi taking down all 6 paths, and the technique takes quite a lot out of Itachi to use. Even if he did beat one path with it, he'd be in a worse condition against the rest.

My point was mainly hypothetical on the genjutsu ms vs sharingan part anyway. After all anything is possible in fiction regardless of how ridiculous it might sound. If it can be barely half heartedly explained away it can be done.

I honestly doubt Tsukiyomi can torture something that isn't there. Unless its effects transfer across the chakra waves somehow.

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