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Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kaguya vs Saitama

@CosmicKnight75 said:

@321zigzag1: Looks like blood to me, she also didnt have that nice bruise on her face until after Sakura decked her. Best regeneration I can recall is Juubi Madara coming back from a gaping hole in his gut after Night Guy. Still nothing that implies Kaguya coming back after every part of her including all her organs being turned to paste if she takes a punch from Saitama. Or Saitama can just punch her straight into the moon for after hearing Zetsu ramble on about her story to essentially accomplish the same act as sealing her.

I still think her immunity to most jutsu has something to do with it. Juubito was no-selling everything until Naruto resorted to Senjutsu. She could have even more immunity to jutsu altogether and and thus split durability, since her resistance to plain physical attacks is just pathetic. I agree w/ speed equalized it can go either way, especially if Kaguya can actually play smart.

The blood was from Kakashi's raikiri which was enhanced by remains of sage of the six paths chakra Obito had before he gave them to Kakashi. Kakashi of course used kamui in conjunction. The immortality part is a speculation on my part but it makes you wonder why she had to be sealed and stripped of her powers if nothing else seems to work.

She didn't absorb or neutralize the 9 bijuu sage enhanced rasenshurikens. The fact the bijuu within her reacted and came out proves my point she just flat out tanked it and she got hit by them unscathed.

As for the bruise part, again goes without saying how it seems to be bit of a inconsistency. She had no problem and Naruto cut her arm off or when Naruto punched her with 5 tailed Bijuu's enhanced max strength overpowering Kaguya's chakra arms.

What's even more ironic is that Kaguya first appearance she blitzed Sakura too.

Finally when Kaguya had her arm cut off, she was in a midst of recharging, she seemed to be low on chakra which decreased her speed and strength. Black Zetsu did note later that absorbing more chakra put her strength and speed on a higher level.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Agent Six vs Kenshin Himura

@Low said:

@IndridCold said:

@NAURTOISCOOL: No, not really since Six can react to and block machine gun fire with ease.

He fodderizes the best of what providence had to offer (multiple guys with sub machine guns) singlehandedly most often than not, with the exception of White Knight who is too epic for his own good. XD

Magna blades also has this trick where joining them creates a magnetic field that can draw in like a ton of rubble including metal. Any sword Kenshin has, he loses them.

How would you rank Agent Six in Kenshin verse?

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kaguya vs Saitama

@CosmicKnight75 said:

@321zigzag1: that punch to her head made her bleed quite a bit too and she was visibly stunned, so it likely did a lot more damage then you think. She didnt fare much better against Naruto either, having her arm cleanly torn off.

She bled? Only the horn broke. The strength + gravity forced down played a role. She only hit the horn not the head.

Don't get me wrong it was pretty stupid. Naruto and Sasuke pretty much touched her before she could do anything.

That NAruto's arm cut off feat was far worse than Kaguya's horn being broken off and she didn't even flinch.

However, in the end as much gravity + strength could explain, it does present an inconsistency however so in the end it's still stupid. Kishimoto must have thought that it would be enough and sakura needed a role to play after all.

I can't blame you for being dismayed at that showing. Everyone one was.

@CosmicKnight75 said:

@321zigzag1:The rest of her tanking likely involved ninjutsu which anyone with Senju chakra can negate so it probably wasnt a testament to her durability and her being the Senju itself only makes sense. Anyway w/speed equalized it comes down to who gets hit first and all Saitama has to do is punch. The mere shock wave of that not-so-serious punch will blow anyone in Naruto away.

For this case, I don't think so, otherwise the tailed beast chakra within her wouldn't have reacted like what occured with Juubito. Remember it's the black material that negates it while the body can too, I don't think it's automatic. I could be wrong but if Kaguya can negate it casually why then Naruto launch it? Because the 9 bijuu rasenshuriken had senjutsu which Kaguya still has kryptonite weakness too.

Remember when Madara tanked base NAruto's giant lava rasenshuriken which cut the senju tree. Another senjutsu attack which MAdara could not negate.

With speed equalized, Kaguya has more available options. Although I wonder since she is immortal and that the seal was the only way to defeat her, she may just eventually regenerate.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kaguya vs Saitama

@CosmicKnight75 said:

@321zigzag1: Scan of that feat please, cant recall. Also, pretty sure getting something hard like a horn getting broken off is a great way to measure the durability of the rest of her and she looked quite messed up and disoriented from that punch.

I believe it is Chapter 688.

@CosmicKnight75 said:

@321zigzag1: Scan of that feat please, cant recall. Also, pretty sure getting something hard like a horn getting broken off is a great way to measure the durability of the rest of her and she looked quite messed up and disoriented from that punch.

All it did was just break the horn. Sakura only hit the horn. Horn is not the body. Now there is some inconsistency in there but since Sakura was coming downward it kind of adds up. She wasn't messed up. She was hit by Naruto's punch and she was unfazed.

What's inconsistent is that Sakura tagged her despite in the same chapter Black Zetsu stated her strength and speed was on a higher level.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Who can defeat Haru Glory?

What was Haru Glory capable of in the end of the series I forget.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kaguya vs Saitama

Kaguya auto loses for being a bland character with a bundle of major disappoinments in the hax department. Seriously is that Rinnegan is capable of?

@CosmicKnight75 said:

One of the most dissapointing final villains I've ever seen, both in actual feats and also being void of any personality or ambition like previous villains such as Madara.

One could argue Sasuke is the final villain and yes Kaguya was just disappointing in every single way.

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Her durabilty is crap since Sakura punched her out

However I disagree here strongly. Sakura only broke a horn. Take in mind she was coming down. The force of gravity + her chakra enhanced strength forced Kaguya downwards. Kaguya itself wasn't harmed. So your statement doesn't correlate to weak durability.

Before she transformed and lost control for a moment she tanked 9 bijuu rasenshurikens with no problems. A single one which could cut the Shinju Tree considering how it dwarved the mountains and landscapes.

@nishi99 said:

@akronawol17: It has a good chance of working, but it's questionable due to Saitama's high level durability.

Naruto's ability can restore lost things just like restoring Gai back to life from the brink of death or recreating Kakashi's lost eye.

However, even that failed to reverse Kaguya's bone ashes so I don't think it's going to matter.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Celestial Spirit King vs ( 2 scenarios)

Thanks for the responses. Anyone else. Normally I don't bump but I will for once.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Meruem vs Mephisto ( chess match )

Do we have any feats of Mephisto playing chess?

Also, that contract doesn't sound like what Mephisto would make. Mephisto is like a cunning business type of a demon, he makes contracts on a fair presupmption to screw you over no matter what.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Celestial Spirit King vs ( 2 scenarios)

Read a comment somewhere, can't remember where, saying it was country level.

Needless to say, I got quite curious.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Celestial Spirit King vs ( 2 scenarios)

@akronawol17 said:

uh... perfect susanoo isn't a character... but i guess if Sasuke used it or something he could win. as for CS vs Kenny, i'm not sure

I know it isn't but I put up Madara's, I should be more specific.

Well Kenpachi destroyed the meteor. Some see it as country level attack, some don't.

Which brings up my next point, what does Meteor blade look like in DC?

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Celestial Spirit King vs ( 2 scenarios)

1. Celestial Spirit King vs Perfect Susanoo (Madara's)

2. Celestial Spirit King vs Kenpachi

Celestial Spirit King

Galaxia Blade which petrifies you.

His most destructive attack is Meteor Blade. What DC level you see it as?

Perfect Susanoo

Perfect Susanoo's slash

Kenpachi

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Celestial Spirit King (FT) HST Gauntlet

Celestial Spirit King

1 vs 1

How far does he go in Narutoverse, Bleachverse, One Pieceverse individually 1 vs 1?

Meteor Blade feat how would you guys rate it? I read a statement that it is multi country.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kakashi vs Pain (REMATCH!)

I thought Perfect Susanoo was exclusive to EMS.

As for this, well sadly we never saw Prime Nagato at his full power since it was too short and Kabuto was controlling him but I won't be surprised Perfect Susanoo smashing through things.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Kagura Mikazuchi Vs Bambietta Basterbine

This thread reminds me of how Kagura in the end was just another FT character endowed by transformation into a person filled Fairy Tail fangasm for Erza.

Erza can't lose and will never lose and it was a disappointment to me for Kagura's portrayal.

As for the statement of Kagura's mountain level of attack, are you scaling from Kagura's archenemy?
Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Suggestion Box for Battlations

@takashichea said:

@321zigzag1:

Sorry for the late reply. No, I'm not the reigning moderator. The title belongs to Dream. Sonata is inactive. I'm just here as a temp mod in case things go to hell in the battle forums.

I never really done a tournament before. How would you structure it? I can't really imagine it. Unless you have a blueprint, I can look over it.

I don't, I apologize, just throwing in ideas that some may be interested in. Tournaments are one way to keep some people to return after all but it takes a lot of effort.

Signups, scheduling, moderator support, debate day limits, overall time limits, topic debate discussions. etc

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Suggestion Box for Battlations

As advised by Takashichea the reigning moderator in this thread.

http://www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/rate-the-debaters/205095/?page=12

Not the first time I encountered thread like this.

Which led me to ask, has this place ever done some kind of debating tournament amongst yourselves? Wouldn't hurt.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@Vongola_Primo said:

@321zigzag1 said:

@Xanxus said:

@321zigzag1: Kyuubi is multi mountain. Juubi is island level.

If half kyuubi is multi mountain level what makes 1st form Juubi and up?

I can see the conical blast by the 2nd form being so at least and upward.

the venasaur form of juubi's bijuu ball the one minato put out is too big to be island level.

Then again islands vary in size.

Juubit's 4 combined I can see that being country level.

50% Kyuubi can only destroy 5 mountains. So 100% Kyuubi maybe 10x mountain level.

Juubi before being complete can destroy 50-100 mountains at most which is only small Island-Island level.

Complete Juubi seen in the flash back maybe small country level if we go by statements, but that is much stronger than Juubito or Current Juubi/Madara.

Maybe but shonen mangas have a tendency of exaggerating power when combined.

I don't know where you got 50-100 mountains from. Where did you get that number?

I will say this, that huge one by Minato looks way too big for 50 to 100. Also if we go by statements then your premise is false because we never saw Prime Juubi in action nor in the flashback so I don't even know why you are using it. Flashback doesn't show any action. By statement Juubi supposedly spit out oceans etc, essentially made much of the world or the world I suppose.

So I don't know how by statement gets Juubi reduced to mere island. That being said islands vary in size drastically but I think shonen mangas have their view of islands so anyway.

That conical blast shown in the background.

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/2/24589/699326-juubibigbang.jpg

I am very sure its here on this map. Sure Kishimoto like most mangakas don't draw well to scale but this is like this area.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110114161251/naruto/images/3/3e/Naruto_World_Map.svg

See upper central right, its also where the war is taking place.

Juubito can casually create 4 of the super massive ones.

Juubidara has barely done anything.

@Vongola_Primo said:

@5th said:

I'm mad? It seems like you are the one who is upset bcoz mid tiers in Bleach and high tiers in One Piece can solo Narutoverse 1 on 1.

A mid tier bleach or high tier OP character can defeat top tier naruto character one on one?

while Narutoverse tier levels are very lopsided.

The difference between the god tiers and lower ones in narutoverse are vary vast.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@taichokage said:

I agree with Xanxus. All Meteors move in the hypersonic range. The fastest ones observed around 40 miles a second, the slowest ones around 7. It doesn't matter if you highball or lowball it to the furthest extent. A meteor that size is at least in the tetraton range. That goes for Madara's meteor as well.

Madara's meteors should have had much bigger impact but we never got to see it plus it was slower to begin with compared to Fujitora's.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

@Xanxus said:

@321zigzag1: Kyuubi is multi mountain. Juubi is island level.

If half kyuubi is multi mountain level what makes 1st form Juubi and up?

I can see the conical blast by the 2nd form being so at least and upward.

the venasaur form of juubi's bijuu ball the one minato put out is too big to be island level.

Then again islands vary in size.

Juubit's 4 combined I can see that being country level.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Juubi

We won't see a continental Juubi as of yet if that is Kishimoto is planning to show it or with Juubidara.

Right now Juubito is small country+ and up to country at max. And of course countries vary in size more so than islands and we all should know islands vary in size.

But we all should know that Prime Juubi is something we have not seen.

All we saw was incomplete Juubi.

We also know that Gremmy's meteor is being subject to severe debate but I can see why people say its downplay to rate the meteor to less than island.

@Xanxus said:

@Zerogodlike: Destroying a few mountains is continental now?

Which is something half Kyuubi was capable of when he pushed 5 bijuu bombs combined and a standard bijuu bomb a solid mountain level.

We already had some downplay on both Juubi and Gremmy on this thread let's not make it more so by mere "few mountains" either.

Unless suddenly the range of mountains 1st form juubi destroyed = few too.

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