What makes Female Pokemon trainers so Expendable?

Topic started by Jlynnana on Jan. 2, 2011. Last post by takashichea 4 months, 1 week ago.
Post by SMXLR8 (7,254 posts) See mini bio Level 16

@Jlynnana: wow late reply much also then why say black in the first place?

Post by Jlynnana (3,293 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@SMXLR8 said:

@Jlynnana: wow late reply much also then why say black in the first place?

Because that's just how I see them. I don't think in terms of anime; I think in terms of RL. So when I see that trope, I just think black.

Post by SMXLR8 (7,254 posts) See mini bio Level 16

@Jlynnana: no dark skin ? just black huh?

Post by Jlynnana (3,293 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@SMXLR8 said:

@Jlynnana: no dark skin ? just black huh?

It's a basic of human cataloging. African Americans are black, most of which have never been to Africa. So why do we call them African Americans? To categorize and group them. (I'm Black myself)

It's the same concept here.

Post by precita (1 posts) See mini bio Level 4

I don't understand why this topic exists. The anime is made to promote the games, so Ash's female companion changes for each generation.

Likewise Misty was very poorly received in the Johto saga for being a stale and boring character, which is probably why she was axed while Brock got to stay for Hoenn. May was a vast improvement over Misty when she debuted, and her popularity paved the way for all the game heroines to come in after her. From what I've seen on various pokemon forums May was generally the best received of all the new females, then Dawn, then lastly Iris. Don't know about Serena yet.

I don't think Jlynnana really knows what she's talking about or just doesn't know the pokemon series very well.

Post by takashichea (12,679 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@precita said:

I don't think Jlynnana really knows what she's talking about or just doesn't know the pokemon series very well.

Please be careful of what you say. Respect is a big thing we uphold in a community. Rather than insulting a person and their views, you should just focus on sharing your views in a polite manner.

Post by rodg (1 posts) See mini bio Level 4
Joynnana hit the nail on the head with this topic.. May had potential, but it was wasted when it was decided to maker a mere coordinator, as if she wasn't good enough to be a trainer. Same with Dawn who ended up being pathetic. Iris might as well be a mere cheerleader. It's as if they're saying, "Only boys can be pokemon trainers. All girls can be is cootrdinators, how lame." Kelleth has the right idea. I mean, the recent Pokemon shows are awful ratings wise. A change in protagonists is needed.
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@rodg:

Same with Dawn who ended up being pathetic.

Actually, Dawn wanted to become coordinator from the start like her mother. I can't remember May well. I should ask who is a big Pokemon fan. With May, she was struggling with her interests. It's like mirroring folks who struggle to pick a college major they love and can excel at.

Unfortunately, Pokemon has some unfortunate implications put in when they change the female supporting character.

As for Kelleth, there is a short special called Pokémon Origins, but it doesn't have any notable heroines.

Post by Sha (516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@rodg: Jlynnana here, you get what I'm saying. Idk what the heck that other person is talking about. Buy yeah, it's almost like with each series they are saying the girls can't compete with ash.

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@Sha said:

@rodg: Jlynnana here, you get what I'm saying. Idk what the heck that other person is talking about. Buy yeah, it's almost like with each series they are saying the girls can't compete with ash.

Each of the girls had a different dream. There are unfortunate implications they put out there when they switch female characters. I don't think they were saying that the girls cannot compete with Ash.

  • Misty wanted to continue being a gym leader
  • Dawn and May wanted to be the best coordinator
  • Iris wanted to be a best dragon trainer/master
Post by Sha (516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@takashichea: I always thought the coordinating dream was a cop out. Just devices to keep people interested in the secondary protagonist. Misty and Iris were the exceptions with being gym leaders. However to this date ( excluding X and Y) ash has not gone thru a series with a serious female rival. Aspiring for the same thing. I don't want to come off as misty centric, but since season 1 and 2 he hasn't had a female counterpart that challenged and tutored him like she did.

Surley in this massive Pokémon world there are female trainers trying to become the best trainer

Post by Sha (516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

I haven't seen X and Y to know

Post by takashichea (12,679 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@Sha:

I feel the coordinator thing was because of Ruby and Sapphire's contest game. They wanted to keep it relevant. It was to show that there was more to Pokemon than battling. With Black and White, they didn't have contests. The special thing about Black and White is that you had a multitude of rivals. Iris had a female rival while Cilan had one, too. You're right that Ash never had a female rival.

For X and Y, I haven't watch enough, but I don't know Sareena's true goals. She wanted to start a journey to return the hankerchief that Ash used on her to bandage up her injuries a long time ago.

Pokemon did right when they introduce Cynthia as a female champion who had more prominent role.

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