This BOTHERS me.

Topic started by Jlynnana on April 2, 2009. Last post by John_Martone 4 years, 7 months ago.
Post by Jlynnana (3,293 posts) See mini bio Level 13
Surely, you've noticed that in Pokemon a pre-evolved form of a Pokemon Beating it's Evolved form or Other fully evolved Pokemon.


For Example.

Ash's Bulbasar Beating meginum
Pikachu beating Raichu
Jigglypuff beating Gengar!!


I Dont think a Pre evolved form, should be able to beat an Evolved form, because when a Pokemon Evolves it's stats become stronger than they used to be.

What's your opinion on this?

Post by Acer (5,676 posts) See mini bio Level 11
What happened when Jigglypuff beat Gengar, what did it do to beat it?
Post by Sha (516 posts) See mini bio Level 10
It Put it To sleep and then rolledout
Post by Acer (5,676 posts) See mini bio Level 11
cool
Post by Jlynnana (3,293 posts) See mini bio Level 13
-_-
Post by Acer (5,676 posts) See mini bio Level 11
I think alot of the time its plot, just to get the story going or finished. I dont think it's wrong for a pre evolved form to beat an evolved form but what would be bad if it was a level 10 pre evolved form beating a level 30 evolved form.
Post by Willow (56 posts) See mini bio Level 1
I don't think the evolved form is "better," no matter what. For example, let's take Ash's Pikachu. If Ash were to clone his Pikachu, then use the Thunderstone on the clone say, and have the two battle, the Raichu would win. But, that doesn't happen. Ash's Pikachu is very well trained, and it isn't just the Pokemon, it is the Pokemon plus the trainer combo. Also, so Pokemon have special abilites that they develop, that is unique solely to them. Such as: Agatha's Gengar, it can move within shadows. Koga's Arbok, it can regenerate it's body completely, as long as it's head is intact. Some trainer from the anime (which I fail to remember the name of), has a Sandshrew, that has trained in water, and has done so, so much that water doesn't effect it, even though it is suppose to be "super effective." The video game is one view of the Pokemon world, but to take it into actual terms, there are many variables that just cannot be applied to the game. So, all in all, a lower evolution can beat an upper evolution.


Post by Acer (5,676 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Willow said:
"I don't think the evolved form is "better," no matter what. For example, let's take Ash's Pikachu. If Ash were to clone his Pikachu, then use the Thunderstone on the clone say, and have the two battle, the Raichu would win. But, that doesn't happen. Ash's Pikachu is very well trained, and it isn't just the Pokemon, it is the Pokemon plus the trainer combo. Also, so Pokemon have special abilites that they develop, that is unique solely to them. Such as: Agatha's Gengar, it can move within shadows. Koga's Arbok, it can regenerate it's body completely, as long as it's head is intact. Some trainer from the anime (which I fail to remember the name of), has a Sandshrew, that has trained in water, and has done so, so much that water doesn't effect it, even though it is suppose to be "super effective." The video game is one view of the Pokemon world, but to take it into actual terms, there are many variables that just cannot be applied to the game. So, all in all, a lower evolution can beat an upper evolution.


"
Tight Post ^^
Post by Willow (56 posts) See mini bio Level 1
Acer said:
"Willow said:
"I don't think the evolved form is "better," no matter what. For example, let's take Ash's Pikachu. If Ash were to clone his Pikachu, then use the Thunderstone on the clone say, and have the two battle, the Raichu would win. But, that doesn't happen. Ash's Pikachu is very well trained, and it isn't just the Pokemon, it is the Pokemon plus the trainer combo. Also, so Pokemon have special abilites that they develop, that is unique solely to them. Such as: Agatha's Gengar, it can move within shadows. Koga's Arbok, it can regenerate it's body completely, as long as it's head is intact. Some trainer from the anime (which I fail to remember the name of), has a Sandshrew, that has trained in water, and has done so, so much that water doesn't effect it, even though it is suppose to be "super effective." The video game is one view of the Pokemon world, but to take it into actual terms, there are many variables that just cannot be applied to the game. So, all in all, a lower evolution can beat an upper evolution.


"
Tight Post ^^
"
Thanks. ^^
Post by Tempest (895 posts) See mini bio Level 8
Willow said:
"I don't think the evolved form is "better," no matter what. For example, let's take Ash's Pikachu. If Ash were to clone his Pikachu, then use the Thunderstone on the clone say, and have the two battle, the Raichu would win. But, that doesn't happen. Ash's Pikachu is very well trained, and it isn't just the Pokemon, it is the Pokemon plus the trainer combo. Also, so Pokemon have special abilites that they develop, that is unique solely to them. Such as: Agatha's Gengar, it can move within shadows. Koga's Arbok, it can regenerate it's body completely, as long as it's head is intact. Some trainer from the anime (which I fail to remember the name of), has a Sandshrew, that has trained in water, and has done so, so much that water doesn't effect it, even though it is suppose to be "super effective." The video game is one view of the Pokemon world, but to take it into actual terms, there are many variables that just cannot be applied to the game. So, all in all, a lower evolution can beat an upper evolution."
You put a lot of thought into this o_O
Post by Willow (56 posts) See mini bio Level 1
Tempest said:
"Willow said:
"I don't think the evolved form is "better," no matter what. For example, let's take Ash's Pikachu. If Ash were to clone his Pikachu, then use the Thunderstone on the clone say, and have the two battle, the Raichu would win. But, that doesn't happen. Ash's Pikachu is very well trained, and it isn't just the Pokemon, it is the Pokemon plus the trainer combo. Also, so Pokemon have special abilites that they develop, that is unique solely to them. Such as: Agatha's Gengar, it can move within shadows. Koga's Arbok, it can regenerate it's body completely, as long as it's head is intact. Some trainer from the anime (which I fail to remember the name of), has a Sandshrew, that has trained in water, and has done so, so much that water doesn't effect it, even though it is suppose to be "super effective." The video game is one view of the Pokemon world, but to take it into actual terms, there are many variables that just cannot be applied to the game. So, all in all, a lower evolution can beat an upper evolution."
You put a lot of thought into this o_O
"
Actually, it took me like 2 minutes, and I just wrote it, then posted it. Didn't check for spelling or grammar errors too.
Post by ZachTheAnimeGeek (76 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Really it depends on the lvl. for example a pikachu that was lvl 50 would have to be an idiot to lose to a Raichu that someone made evolve at lvl 10.
Post by Jlynnana (3,293 posts) See mini bio Level 13
lol
Post by John_Martone (2,992 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@Jlynnana said:
" Surely, you've noticed that in Pokemon a pre-evolved form of a Pokemon Beating it's Evolved form or Other fully evolved Pokemon.For Example.Ash's Bulbasar Beating meginum Pikachu beating RaichuJigglypuff beating Gengar!!I Dont think a Pre evolved form, should be able to beat an Evolved form, because when a Pokemon Evolves it's stats become stronger than they used to be.What's your opinion on this? "

And did you mean "any" pre-evolved versus "any" evolved. Because Gengar isn't jigglypuff's evolution. So yeah, its very likely a squirtle could beat a charizard
Post by cfatalis (19,150 posts) See mini bio Level 15
ash bulbasaur level should have already soared really high so it can happen
 
in pikachu beating raichu, it is because lt surge never raise his raichu speed, no matter how stong you are, useless if you can't hit on your opponent
 
as for jigglypuff........ ghos pokemon are never that good in the anime
Post by gia (3,032 posts) See mini bio Level 13
Well, and think about it this way...each pokemon is still an individual, right?
 
A little kid who's trained in battle and has more natural talent may yet beat a battle-trained adult, theoretically...so why not an unevolved pokemon vs its evolved version?
 
...Says the non-Pokemon fan! :D
Post by Jlynnana (3,293 posts) See mini bio Level 13
I guess it just seemed to defeat the purpose of evolution, but when you put it that way, i understand
Post by John_Martone (2,992 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Well, I think yes, that its kind of odd for an evolved XYZ to beat an unevolved XYZ, but not all pokemon are created equal. an evolved... umm... bellossom isn't going to destroy a... umm... charmander. Even ignoring their resistances, some pokemon are just made to be better than others, espcially at various stages of evolution (ala magikarp and gyrados)
 
Though, since you get full level up points when you evolve (I.E. a level 20 X is the same strength even if it evolved at leve 5 or 12)
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