Persona 4: The Animation Forum

@advkow:

I don't think my partner Nick's taking it too far. He's expressing his view on things. You can't argue with a person's experiences. They are just telling you how they feel about the matter from their perspective. I may not completely agree on the level of it, but he has valid points. I respect his passion for it.

@Babylonian:

I could actually buy Yu being teasing with Kanji more that Yosuke. One of the ways you tell someone is teasing is from their expression. We've already established that isn't Yu's strong suit. He tends to play along with whatever the current mood is. Even encouraging Kanji to run into the girl's tent.

We saw this in last weeks episode. Though he would say he was willing to just let it be, as soon as one of the girls told him they should move forward. He was just as passionate about following their lead.

@zaldar:

Kanji is one of the more positive interpretations of a sexually ambiguous character. He may be into guys to some degree, but he's also a tough dude who takes care of his mother and helps out little kids in need. What's not to respect about that? No matter which way he swings, Kanji's an upright dude in my book.

@Hailinel said:

@mutha3 There's already a Blu-ray?

Yep. Came out on 11/23. Also includes the full versions of Beauty of Destiny and Sky's the Limit(both have hilarious lyrics, so they're well worth youtubing).

It only had Episode 1 on it though. It was a director's cut type of deal, 3 extra minutes of animation. Sadly, the animation doesn't look much better at all like FoxxFireArt had hoped.

@NickRobinson: I'm totally with you on the Kanji homophobic scene. In the game, you were given a choice, and seeing as how Yosuke was very vocal about not being gay-raped, the only real option was to bring some balance to the situation and say you feel safe with Kanji. Kanji is insecure enough that a single voice calling out his sexuality would have been more than enough to set him off - he didn't need two people ganging up on him, calling him a rapist. And I don't buy the "they were making fun of Kanji" argument - there was no indication it was so. I, too, may have yelled something at my monitor. Yosuke was already homophobic, but they could have made Yu much more accepting.

@CH3BURASHKA said:

@NickRobinson: I'm totally with you on the Kanji homophobic scene. In the game, you were given a choice, and seeing as how Yosuke was very vocal about not being gay-raped, the only real option was to bring some balance to the situation and say you feel safe with Kanji. Kanji is insecure enough that a single voice calling out his sexuality would have been more than enough to set him off - he didn't need two people ganging up on him, calling him a rapist. And I don't buy the "they were making fun of Kanji" argument - there was no indication it was so. I, too, may have yelled something at my monitor. Yosuke was already homophobic, but they could have made Yu much more accepting.

There was no indication he was joking OR being malicious as Yu = best poker player ever. It's not arguable that Yusuke was serious considering his mannerisms and way of speech. Nick himself put it best:

Yu is entirely unable to emote unless being prompted. It adds this incredibly strange meta bent to the show where the protagonist pretty much only reacts to things at times when the game would've prompted you to make a dialogue choice. As a reult, Yu almost never talks, but when he does, he's often picking the least "safe" conversational decision possible. It's crazy, but it's also an incredibly unique and interesting way to characterize what could've been a total blank slate of a character. Kudos to them on that.

Personally, I think that Yu is the personification of Player Character. Since he has almost no expression, it's up to the viewer themselves to fill in the blank on his intentions. In this case, if what he said is slightly(or more) offensive, then you may be offended by that kind of thing no matter what the circumstances and vice versa.

@mutha3:

I don't see how I could check out the quality of a product that has only been out in Japan for less than a week. I try to avoid pirates sources, unless it's for VIZ Media based series.

I think setting up Yu as homophobic at this point will lead to a better transformation of the character later. Being exposed to Naoto will probably help him grow. I think they actually want the main character to have an arc. It's the one negative trait of Yu at this point other than his womanizing, but I'm happy to roll on that train so long as Naoto's appearance cools him off.

I'm shocked, really, that my complaints were previously downplayed and as soon as I'm thrilled about an episode you guys complain about the same things I do! I thought this was the best episode yet; the Teddie transitions are out of place, but that episode actually felt like an event would really play out. It has its highs and its lows, just like any real school trip. That is about as far as anybody seems to have gotten in Naoki's social link, and this felt like a great way to accomplish it. Meanwhile, putting an investigation sequence we'd have to have AFTER this point into the camping trip also helped the episode feel less filler-y and saves us time when Rise's investigation does happen next episode.

I think we may be coming to this series for different things at this point. I wish I could define what it is I'm looking for in the series, but this episode seemed to absolutely nail the balance I've been wanting. Persona 4 IS a series of mini-events more than it is one continuous storyline, and I liked that being added to the pacing.

I think the biggest problem is that Yu is set with a pretty dry sense of humor, and it's like sarcasm over the internet in that sometimes it doesn't translate well. I'll be really impressed if at some point they start evolving the Personas of the characters and a clarification of, "Dude, I'm just messing with you, we're cool" becomes the Rank 10 plot point between Kanji and Yu.

@Hailinel said:

1. Some people are taking the treatment of Kanji's character far too seriously. You'd honestly think that the staff was perpetuating a hate crime judging by some of the reactions in here.

Literally no one has been saying that. I'll quote Nick for a second:

And yeah, a final note on Kanji's treatment this week: I don't think I'd call it "malicious," just "irresponsible." Having the characters tease Kanji for being gay is just the absolute laziest. I get that they'd write Yosuke this way, because let's be honest: Yosuke is the worst! But having Yu ask Kanji whether or not he can safely share a tent with him without risking being sexually assaulted just seems totally at odds with his character. Maybe I'm projecting, but I prefer to think of the Investigation Team as a relatively progressive group of kind young kids who accept each other's insecurities, not as as a relatively progressive group of kind young kids who accept each other's insecurities unless they're about homosexuality. If this is what P4A's producers think of as an acceptable treatment for Kanji, I shudder to wonder how they're going to handle some of the later Naoto stuff.

His treatment is dissapointing compared to the game, that's pretty much what people have been saying.

Kanji was supposed to nosebleed as he saw Charlie and Yosuke in their trunks, not after!

It annoys me that the anime version makes out Kanji's sexuality less ambiguous than the game and leans on bicuriousity by a heterosexual kid more heavily. For me, Kanji will always be gay/bisexual and awesome.

@Gerhabio:

I just watched that on Giant Bomb, and the nosebleed didn't appear until after the guys were kicked into the water.

@zaldar:

I do buy the media. Just as long as it's not been censored.

@FoxxFireArt: out of curiosity, which ER eps was this eps?