Unscripted: How Anime is Going to Die

Topic started by gia on April 26, 2010. Last post by YukoAsho 3 years, 11 months ago.
Post by crusader8463 (739 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Oh noes! They killed Johnime! Those bastards!
 
As for the topic at hand, I don't buy anime for two simple reasons: I don't have the money, and, even if I did, I'm the type of person who doesn't watch something more then once. I cant justify spending upwards of $40-$100 dollars on some DVD's, or a few dollars on a per episode basis, for something that I will watch the one time and never want to watch again. I have never bought a movie in my life for that very reason. I know I would never watch it again, so why would I go spend $20-$30 on a VHS/DVD that, at best, would entertain me for sixty to ninety minutes? When, when it was over, it would just be thrown in a corner to collect dust to never be watched again.
 
The only way I can see them realistically getting someone like me to pay for this kind of thing, besides the day hell freezes over and I have disposable income again, is to offer a buffet style service. Something where I would pay a yearly fee of say $40-$50, or $5-$10 a month, and I get access to tons of different anime that I can watch when ever I want to and that is constantly being added to. The problem with this is that no one studio would have more then one or two shows that I would like to watch, let alone be willing to pay a monthly/yearly fee for. No matter how good of a service they offer though, it will always be prefaced with whether or not I have access to the extra money to spend on it. While that may not be something that most people have to give any thought to, given my personal living situation it's next to impossible for me to come up with that kind of money to pay for something like this. 
 
Whether you want to call me an evil prick because of this I don't care, that's just how it is for me. If I won the lotto tomorrow I would go out and buy two copies of every anime I have ever watched and enjoyed, and from that day forward do nothing but buy them. However I don't think that's going to happen, so I will just have to stick to downloading the few shows out there, that I haven't already seen, that look to be half way decent. Something that is becoming rarer and rarer all the time as the kind of things I always like, no matter the medium, always seem to be the first thing to stop getting made, while twenty or more generic bubble gum high school shows get shoveled out the door every other week.
 
I doubt anyone has bothered to read this far, but if you did sorry if non of that makes any sense. I'm writing this in the middle of the night and I'm half asleep. ^_- b
Post by FrogLegs (11 posts) See mini bio Level 5
Honestly, I find it very difficult to pay for Anime that I want to watch. Either it's not offered in Canada, or it's not offered at all. Every time I go to try and pay for something (House of Five Leaves for example. I'd LOVE to be able to pay to watch that show, but Funimation now hosts through Hulu, which is completely unavailable to non-USA residents. I don't want to purchase DVDs that I'll only watch once, and don't want to gamble on them either, since I don't know if I'll dig it beforehand. I don't download for free what I can pay to support (all movies, music, and games I have in my possesion are bought and paid for), so it's frustrating when fan subs become my only option. If there's another option, I'm all ears, because I'd rather support the creators, instead of some random fan subbing team.
Post by FrogLegs (11 posts) See mini bio Level 5
Also, I love that you guys drink Stella.
Post by agila61 (87 posts) See mini bio Level 4
@Karkarov said:
" @gia said:
 I also wouldn't be so quick to assume Crunchyroll is kicking anyone's asses  in ways that matter for longevity (e.g. money); they're still young and are working mostly off of venture capital. I know at least one company that refused to do any simulcasts this season, with Crunchyroll or anyone else, because they didn't feel that a profit could be made off of the current model.  "
I would tell you that company is also very very dumb.  It is hard truth that if a thief wants to steal something you have they will. Not simulcasting a show means you earn 0 dollars on that option. ..."
I'd agree with Karkarov here - if a profit can't be made off the either the Funimation or the Crunchyroll versions of the simulcast model at present volumes, then the market volume needs to be built, and the only way to build the market is to put content in the channel. If they think their content is not widely available with subs with less than half week or delay or less, they are dreaming. All they can do is to decide whether their content will exclusively grow the leach streaming sites, or will in part grow the actual market.
Post by agila61 (87 posts) See mini bio Level 4
@FrogLegs said:
" Honestly, I find it very difficult to pay for Anime that I want to watch. Either it's not offered in Canada, or it's not offered at all. Every time I go to try and pay for something (House of Five Leaves for example. I'd LOVE to be able to pay to watch that show, but Funimation now hosts through Hulu, which is completely unavailable to non-USA residents. ... "
Ho5L is also on YouTube/funimation ... does Funimation region block Canada from their YouTube Ho5L stream? I understand the Hulu problem, since anime is a side-business for them and their primary JV partners are all US-based networks ... and I can understand Funimation region blocking regions 2 through 6 because of no interest in picking up many (any?) rights outside of Region 1 but ... Canada? Wouldn't that be 10% of Region1 getting blocked out? I don't see the commercial sense in that.
 
I also think that Funimation and Crunchyroll need to get over their past bad relations and hammer something out involving CR picking up non-US streaming rights for Funimation shows and passing US viewers over to Funimation streams. Funimation clearly wants to focus on R1 and Crunchyroll clearly wants to cater to viewers in Region2 and Region4 when it can stream to them as well as Region1 ... it seems highly likely that between those two strategies there is scope for a win-win business deal that is not being pursued.
 

Post by Quarkboy (16 posts) See mini bio Level 2
Ah, I was all set to think this commentary was boring until the end.  That made it all worth it.   
 And what do you have against Mark Twain?
Post by John_Martone (2,992 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@FrogLegs said:
" Also, I love that you guys drink Stella. "
Whoops, didn't realize that made it into the shot. But I understand your feelings on DVDS. Often I only buy series that are cheap, or that I know I'll want to have (to loan to other people, rewatch, etc.) Its part of the reason I just stated scooping up 1st volumes from this Right stuff sale. I could totally get behind playing 2-4 dollars for a dvd to "sample" the show.
Post by GrandMarshal (152 posts) See mini bio Level 10
John is anime? :O
Post by sora_thekey (1,097 posts) See mini bio Level 16
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@Ending: UH! Is there a way we could put that on television?
Post by Naruto79 (58 posts) See mini bio Level 3

Weekend afternoon cartoons are dead. Saturday morning cartoons are basically dead. Specialized networks like the Anime Network and Funimation Network created competition for networks like Cartoon Network, NickToons and now Disney XD and thus killed their customer bases because NO ONE HAS THESE NETWORKS!!! Add in the fact that the dubs generally suck and releasing DVD in 2 and 3 episode volumes isn't helping!!! With all of this said... if anime is dying, it's because of the companies and their bad business practices and decisions. Do better and anime will overcome this heart attack!!! 

Post by Oishi_47 (221 posts) See mini bio Level 8
@Naruto79: The Single Release business model (i.e. 3-4 episode DVDs) is dead, or actually has been for a while. The companies releasing them realized that no one wanted to pay $30 for maybe an hour-and-a-half of entertainment. There might be a few more coming out to even up some series, but, for the most part, it's all whole seasons and half seasons. 
Post by Arkasai (2 posts) See mini bio Level 2
Whats the big deal?  Doesn't any self respecting anime viewer watch with subs anyway?
Post by Obsidian609 (260 posts) See mini bio Level 20
I really don't have problems with American Dubbed anime I just hate when companies Americanize it and take away the Japanese openings and replace it with horrible American openings. Like when tokyopop released Initial D in America they basically took away all the Japanese music and sayings with an awful American rap for the soundtrack. But other than that I think the Amine industry won't die they just need to bring over something that will create new fans or bring in some classic animes that will create new fans. So maybe Dragon Ball Kai might help this. But then again all we can do is wait and see and pray the country doesn't ban anything else they see inappropriate in animes.
Post by AHoodedFigure (37 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Human nature: if you say DON'T there are people who will out of principle.
 
The best way to react is to change your tack.  Gotta be more kung fu about it, I guess. 
Post by Sombre (113 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Piracy didn't kill videogames.
 
Anime won't die either.
Post by Jeust (44 posts) See mini bio Level 8
@Sombre said:

" Piracy didn't kill videogames.  Anime won't die either. "

I don't think the problem is piracy, but lack of creativity. Most shows start with a big bang, and a original storyline and after a while just degenerates into the same old clichés and stories. There isn't anything really surprising and compelling in many of the animes and manga around, just the same tired concepts and ideas. For me that's the real problem with them: their refuse to evolve.  
 
If enough enthusiasm is generated, it won't be piracy that will kill it, or the revenues generated. Developers and distributors just have to kick up their game! 
Post by Luffy (166 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@Sombre: It's harder to pirate video games than anime.  That being the case, it has all but killed PC gaming.  The only reason it hasn't done the same on consoles, is that it's FAR harder to download anything illegally to the controlled environment of one of those.  With anime, you're also getting not a lot of stuff for a shitload of money.  Do I want to pay $30+ for 2 hours of content, or do I want to get the same content and not have to even download anything with just 2 clicks of a mouse?  In the west at least, anime DVDs either need to be far cheaper and have more content on them, or that particular part of the anime industry will in fact, die.  It's waaaaaaaay too easy to get that shit for free to not take advantage of it.
Post by Rexic (99 posts) See mini bio Level 19
dude,you guys should make some shirts with that anime thing on it.like it would look like its taped on or something.Id buy it!lol.
Post by YukoAsho (2 posts) See mini bio Level 4
@Luffy said:
" @Sombre: It's harder to pirate video games than anime.  That being the case, it has all but killed PC gaming.  The only reason it hasn't done the same on consoles, is that it's FAR harder to download anything illegally to the controlled environment of one of those.  With anime, you're also getting not a lot of stuff for a shitload of money.  Do I want to pay $30+ for 2 hours of content, or do I want to get the same content and not have to even download anything with just 2 clicks of a mouse?  In the west at least, anime DVDs either need to be far cheaper and have more content on them, or that particular part of the anime industry will in fact, die.  It's waaaaaaaay too easy to get that shit for free to not take advantage of it. "
The price, if you ask me, is the REAL issue.  Let's see, I can buy an anime DVD with maybe three eps on it for $30-40, or I can buy a domestic Blu-Ray (or hell, a Blu-Ray release of another country's movies) for $20-$25 (probably less on Amazon) and be entertained for HOURS on end with tons of features and the like.
 
The value proposition just isn't there, and when you combine that with the decreased creativity of current anime versus the product of the 90s, what do people expect?  The industry's not going to survive outside of Japan if it keeps aggressively screwing people.
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