[Guest Article] Anonymous Confessions of a Scanlator

Topic started by Guest_Author on March 31, 2010. Last post by cfatalis 4 years, 3 months ago.
Post by crusader8463 (739 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@Newten said:

" @crusader8463: We pay for what we can and then pirate what we can't.

YOU JUST SAID THE SAME THING I DID! Why is it different when you say it but not me?!?! My entire OP was that exact statement in a nutshell, yet I'm the evil c*ck s#cker some how!
Post by Daniel_Newton (3,181 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@crusader8463: No, you said you pirate things when you can't afford them. I said I pirate things when I can't buy them because they don't sell them where I live I therefore couldn't buy it even if I had the money. I buy what they sell where I live. If I don't have the money then I wait until I do.
Post by crusader8463 (739 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@Newten: Forget it, we're just going in circles.
Post by Daniel_Newton (3,181 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@crusader8463: I think I made my point pretty clear. From what you've said this is there difference. We both walk into a shop and see something we want, we don't have enough money to pay for it. I wait until I do have enough money, then I buy it. You on the other hand just go home and pirate it. Can you argue with that?
Post by crusader8463 (739 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@Newten: So you're saying that since i have no money, and no means of finding work becase of disabilities and where i live, that i should have spent the last three years of my life doing nothing but stare at a wall? Right i will get right on that.
 

 We both walk into a shop and see something we want, we don't have enough money to pay for it. I wait until I do have enough money, then I buy it.

 
But if you walked into the store and the sign says that it's only going to be released in japan and that this sign is just here as a place holder to inform you that it exist, and that it may one day possibly maybe will be released here but they aren't sure if it will be, you're justified to go online and download it instead of waiting for it to be released here? How is that any different then me not wanting to wait until i have the money to buy it? I don't know if/when i will ever have the money to buy it so why is that any different of a justification as you saying, well it might not ever come out here so instead of waiting to see if it ever happens i will just go download it! It's the same end result with two different ways to justify it. 
 
To me it just seems like you're trying to justify what you have done as something you are secretly ashamed of, or feel like it was a wrong thing to do. By pointing to me and my reasoning as being wrong you're just trying to justify your actions to your self as being the lesser of two evils and there for ok. That seems kind of hypocritical to me.
Post by Daniel_Newton (3,181 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@crusader8463: I didn't know you had any disabilities, naturally that makes matters different, however I know people with disabilities who have jobs, are there really no jobs available for you? That really sucks if there is nothing at all. You should protest! Or, something.
 
But disregarding that, yes, pirating it because I don't know if/when it will become available where I live is understandable, because if it's something I want then I will buy a physical copy if it does at some point become available. If it doesn't then I still can't. I'm not trying to justify myself by pointing at you, pirating is still wrong full stop, but almost everyone pirates to some extent. It's just that the original post you made sounded like you pirate absolutely everything and blame it on a lack of money. Perhaps if you had gone into more detail as to why you have no money it would have made more sense. Anyone looking at that post could have just thought you were a slob with no job (which is probably why a bunch of users had a go at you).
 
You shouldn't let disabilities hold you back, I don't mean to lecture you, I just find it hard to believe there's absolutely nothing you could be doing. My college lecturer is crippled from the waste down and is dyslexic, but he teaches games development, just an example.
Though I can tell you're very intelligent so I imagine you have looked/continue to look for something you could do, I hope you find something soon.
Post by vedicardi (17 posts) See mini bio Level 2
I use scans just like I use pirated games.  They are a large scale preview.  I don't have much money, but I will spend whatever I have on what I liked to support it.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,638 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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The whole anonymous thing is a bit fishy. This article felt rather ridiculous at points. Though the idea of posting links for people to easily find sites to purchase Japanese originals doesn't sound like a bad idea.
 
I also see the point about scanlations of licensed series to a certain extent. The only reason I don't purchase series that are licensed is due to a personal issue I have with a publisher. There are series that I read in scanlations for the up to date chapters, but I buy the manga volumes.

@Newten said:

" @crusader8463: No, you said you pirate things when you can't afford them. I said I pirate things when I can't buy them because they don't sell them where I live I therefore couldn't buy it even if I had the money. I buy what they sell where I live. If I don't have the money then I wait until I do. "

What I normally stand against is when a publisher alters the content.  If a US publisher is going to alter content to the point where story is changed and offer no alternative. It's their own fault if someone doesn't want to purchase their product and goes to scanlation only. It was their choice to refuse to fill the demands of the consumer. They have no justifiable right to refuse that audience when they offer the proper experience to the readers of the other series they publish. Naruto, Bleach, and Fullmetal Alchemist all use the proper character names.
 
I use scanlations of Detective Conan only, because the US publisher altered the content to the point where it has changed story events. I want to read the real story and the real character's names the way the author intended. Not what VIZ decided it should be. 

As an example, The villains of the series are referred to as The Black Organization. They all wear black and their code names are all liquors. The first two you meet are named Gin and Vodka. Even in the Japanese version they use the 'English' words "Gin" and "Vodka". 
The VIZ version renamed them "Melkior" and "Kaspar". From best I can discover, these were the names of two of the three wise men from the Bible. From that action they ruined the themes of the villains the author created for no good reason. If the audience can read about murder in graphic detail. They can just read the names Gin and Vodka.
 
I don't care if these changes were approved by the Japanese copyright holder or publisher. 4Kids must of gotten consent for the butchering they did to One Piece. It didn't make it good or right, and it was not worth supporting. If VIZ is going to continue publishing this series altered and offer no alternative. They have no right to complain about me reading scanlations. I'm not reading their altered story. I'm reading the real story that they are refusing to publish in English.
Post by John_Martone (2,992 posts) See mini bio Level 10
 Very interesting read. Thanks for submitting this, anonymous! The comments are also interesting, but I'm a little scared of contributing, so i will merely read.
Post by TubeOxen (16 posts) See mini bio Level 5
@Newten:  In a lot of cases, getting money is not as simple as simply going out and saying, "I feel like making money today." You can't go around and berate people because you don't understand their financial situation.
 
I'm in roughly the same boat as crusader8463, where I want to buy things, but simply can't afford it. Manga and anime are expensive, if you have to pay most of your monthly paycheck on food, board, and tuition, and well-paying 9-5 office jobs aren't readily available to everyone in the world. That being said, that doesn't give us the right to pirate, but when we want to experience something, at least before dropping a wad of cash on it, we have no choice but to do so.
 
When I think about it personally, I think using the "It's not available in our country" excuse is an even worse reason. If you have the money to buy it, and you have the internet, it's possible to buy it online and get it shipped out of Japan. If you don't know the language, then you're not going to learn it by waiting patiently on english releases, you need to make an effort to learn it. On the other hand, we without the funds to do so are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Post by Oishi_47 (221 posts) See mini bio Level 8
@TubeOxen said:
If you have the money to buy it, and you have the internet, it's possible to buy it online and get it shipped out of Japan. If you don't know the language, then you're not going to learn it by waiting patiently on english releases, you need to make an effort to learn it. On the other hand, we without the funds to do so are stuck between a rock and a hard place. "
Japanese prices for anime are typically much more expensive than the U.S. prices or prices anime might go for in other parts of the world. Coupled with at least a trans-pacific journey for western countries, the cost of importing a Japanese copy of an anime would be ridiculous. Even if you have that money, how would one make an effort to learn a language? Pay thousands of dollars for a series of comprehensive classes or maybe by pirating Rosetta Stone...I'm sorry, I think I've missed the point. 
Post by cfatalis (19,150 posts) See mini bio Level 15
@oishi_47 said:
" @TubeOxen said:
If you have the money to buy it, and you have the internet, it's possible to buy it online and get it shipped out of Japan. If you don't know the language, then you're not going to learn it by waiting patiently on english releases, you need to make an effort to learn it. On the other hand, we without the funds to do so are stuck between a rock and a hard place. "
Japanese prices for anime are typically much more expensive than the U.S. prices or prices anime might go for in other parts of the world. Coupled with at least a trans-pacific journey for western countries, the cost of importing a Japanese copy of an anime would be ridiculous. Even if you have that money, how would one make an effort to learn a language? Pay thousands of dollars for a series of comprehensive classes or maybe by pirating Rosetta Stone...I'm sorry, I think I've missed the point.  "
and even then , the time you spent could be used to do more usefull things
 
i am no hypocrite
I PIRATE WHENEVER I CAN
Post by Oishi_47 (221 posts) See mini bio Level 8
@cfatalis: LOL I guess honesty is the best policy in some capacity.
Post by John_Martone (2,992 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Well, no one can tell you, with absolute precision, what is right or wrong in every individual case. But yes, I think there is a balance. If its something you really enjoy, then I hope you're taking the opportunity to support it. No one is asking you to start grab every volume of Fairy Tail or something, but buy like, one of the One Piece uber economic 3-in-1 volumes and then let friends borrow it. Or something. If you wait long enough, pretty much everything becomes a fantastic deal eventually.
 
I'm still rebuying series like Gundam Wing and such, when I've got the cash to blow, even though I have no intents to really watch them again soon. I just enjoyed them, and when there is a price I  can afford/is reasonable, I add it to my library of goods.
Post by paploo (48 posts) See mini bio Level 2
@crusader8463: 
 
Crusader- You should be using the public library system in New Brunswick. It has more than enough manga for you for free, and using it to get manga encourages them to shift more funds towards buying yet more manga (helping out the industry) . Interlibrary loans are free across the province.  And it's totally legal. Seriously, they have Oishinbo. Do yourself a favour, and check out the nearest branch, or have a friend or relative drop in and pick up books for you. There are options out there for your besides pirating. You can also get free paperback novels, and then there's also free webcomics- why steal an artists work without their knowledge in a way that lets pirates profit off their work (ie- the aggregation sites like Fox and One) when there's lots of artists out there putting their comics online and making money off the ads on their websites.
 
You get the same thing (free comics online) but in a way that benefits the artists and their creative efforts rather than affecting them and their industry negatively. http://www.onlinecomics.net is loaded with links to free webcomics, and theres tons of other sites like these that list links to creators sites.
 
I can understand your situation, but there are different options out there for you. Lots of free, legal sites like http://www.deviantart.com or ANN and Crunchy Roll' s legal offerings, or Funimation's Anime streaming site. So many ways you can spend your time in a geeky way for free without resorting to intellectual property theft.
Post by Daniel_Newton (3,181 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@oishi_47 said:
" @TubeOxen said:
If you have the money to buy it, and you have the internet, it's possible to buy it online and get it shipped out of Japan. If you don't know the language, then you're not going to learn it by waiting patiently on english releases, you need to make an effort to learn it. On the other hand, we without the funds to do so are stuck between a rock and a hard place. "
Japanese prices for anime are typically much more expensive than the U.S. prices or prices anime might go for in other parts of the world. Coupled with at least a trans-pacific journey for western countries, the cost of importing a Japanese copy of an anime would be ridiculous. Even if you have that money, how would one make an effort to learn a language? Pay thousands of dollars for a series of comprehensive classes or maybe by pirating Rosetta Stone...I'm sorry, I think I've missed the point.  "
Yeah, this is pretty much why I stopped replying, I was like seriously?

@cfatalis said:
" i am no hypocrite I PIRATE WHENEVER I CAN "
Atleast you're honest and don't have some lame excuse lol
Post by cfatalis (19,150 posts) See mini bio Level 15
@John_Martone: well i buy nearly everykind of gundam anime, movie included, and their novels (then i read the translation off the net)
 
@Newten:
i don't need excuse
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