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Sam has such wrath inside him for TORIKO - - are there any other boys action anime that are just as deserving of his ire?

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    Donwunon April 23, 2013 at 5:11 p.m.

    Agreed. Looking forward to the next part of this convo

    Destinyheroknighton April 23, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.

    Shonen can also be about sports or comedy (not just action)

    Anyway, this what I think of Toriko

    It just a meh show to me

    I like Shonen, it just a lot of fun for me. It just a quick read or a quick watch.

    YotaruVegetaon April 23, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.

    Ohhh boy. I'll have to strap in for this one.

    Marshal Victoryon April 23, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.

    Google McGuffin? Bah to the dictonary!

    McGuffin - (film) a plot element that catches the viewers' attention or drives the plot; "the McGuffin was a key element of Alfred Hitchcock's films"

    well free dictonary at least http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Mcguffin

    So Sam is saying their McGuffin was a red herring?

    Grabing points in no real order here.

    1. anime suffers the longer it runs... ehhh no.Problem is your watchign stuff where they are not trying to remake the wheel just put their logo on the tire.

    2. Toriko is not for me. Sam should watch something like Hunter X Hunter (2011) or Magi - The Labyrinth of Magic

    to see some better put together shonen.

    3rd Tom the whole thing that keeps me as a adult watching cartoons with subtitles is because you think its this.. you think its this then its that. Story telling is actualy at times creative an unexpected changes in plot make it intresting.Also if its not for your adult tastes its just not for your adult tastes. Not a thing to be ashamed of or feel silly over.

    Tho having a ideal of what adult tastes should be is in it self ...a problem for a difrent run on sentence.

    FoxxFireArt moderator on April 23, 2013 at 11:56 p.m.

    You realize that you never even used the Rock or Not categories any time during this video? lol

    I'm currently reading TORIKO as part of the WEEKLY SHONEN JUMP subscription. It's my actual first experience with the series, and everything is so weird. And I like the weirdness of ONE PIECE.

    I love that ONE PIECE is this long epic story, but I do think they all shouldn't be so long.

    SamJaz is online on April 24, 2013 at 3:24 a.m.

    DETECTIVE CONAN! Detective Conan did this.

    I think Fullmetal Alchemist was the perfect length. Long enough to get you attached to the characters, get you sucked into what's going on, but stayed on point.

    DeathNote went on too long, but you can see why. Dragonball Z and Major went on forever, but the characters kept evolving, so I loved it anyways, it all depends on how long it stays as the same show via filler or another story arc, as opposed to an evolving story, which I hear One Piece is like.

    takashichea moderator on April 30, 2013 at 9:20 p.m.

    I have never watched Toriko, and I'll see if it clicks for me. After watching the One Piece x Dragon Ball Z x Toriko crossover, my first impression of Toriko is what the hell. I never seen a show that is about food.

    For me, the reasons for why Shonen suck:

    • Overused Shonen cliches - Fairy Tail, One Piece, Yugioh, and Naruto do the friendship crap a lot. There are a boatload of examples: Luffy risking his life to save his nakama, every Natsu Dragneel's battle with the major antagonist of the arc, Yugi's duels and the Heart of the Cards, and Naruto's battles especially with Gaara. I know it's for teaching the younger generation proper values. It's hard for the older generation who are looking for something new.
    • When series are long, storyline tends to be repetitive - Bleach and Dragon Ball Z are infamous with this one. I never thought of Bleach this way until I read a fellow fan's take. Bleach's Soul Society arc begins with Rukia being kidnapped while Hueco Mundo starts with Orihime being kidnapped. The fan is a feminist, and I wouldn't go into much details. In Dragon Ball Z's case, both Frieza and the Android arcs start with training, Goku getting incapacitated, and Goku saving everyone at the end. Well, Gohan save the world in the Cell arc. A slight difference there.

    The stereotypes from the three big shonen shows rubs everyone off and makes them think other Shonen series are like them. Though, Death Note and Fullmetal Alchemist series are some of the exceptions to the Shonen genre.

    • Filler - This is a test of patience for fans. When the anime gets close to the manga, anime resort to doing fillers.
    YotaruVegetaon May 2, 2013 at 8:55 p.m.

    I hope Sam returns to Toriko so he can at least see the introduction of Toriko's "badboy" character. By the way, this character acts like he doesn't care about the people he saves (but he does), and he's incredibly powerful. Oh, and he has...SCARS!

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