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Watch & Learn: TRIGUN #19

So much drama!

 Something tells me that internationally-regarded house duo, Justice, would like Mr. Wolfwood's style.
 Something tells me that internationally-regarded house duo, Justice, would like Mr. Wolfwood's style.

Truthfully, I’m starting to think this might’ve been better served as a tighter series with fewer episodes. Maybe 14 or 15. I say that because, out of all the episodes that've dealt with the whole kill-or-don’t-kill conundrum, this was the first one to really go (pun intended) for the jugular. The guy wanting revenge on his daughter's killer, Vash pleading for him to stop, the goon begging for his life and so on… it was so ripe, it made the bad episodes look like the "filler" so many of you lunatics have described.

Still, you watch enough of these and, eventually, some things you’ve once considered to be deficiencies can actually benefit the show. In this case, you could dismiss Vash’s admittedly-inarticulate pleas on account of poor translations, bad writing or the voice actor just not being as invested in the role on this particular day of recording. However, there’s perhaps something more effective to him not seeming to have the rights words; to him not being able to properly express his objections to killing.  

FoxxFireArt summed up the arc of this series like like - - the first half establishes Vash as this happy-go-lucky hero who never has to make any hard choices.  The second half is then about that carefree morality getting put through the gauntlet. With that in mind, you do get a sense that this heavy dilemma has just intruded on these adventures. It's almost like if, say, POWER RANGERS (which also happens to have Vash's voice actor!) had to address some weighty phislophical or political issue it was absolutely ill-equipped to deal with.

To continue my little meta-textual streak...  now that Milly and Meryl are back with Vash, I can’t help feeling like they’ve stopped over from another show. They seem like they’d be more at home in some HIS GIRL, FRIDAY-style shojo about the goings’-on and assorted office politics of their insurance bureau. Yet, by arbitrary circumstances, they’ve been thrust into this all these displays of "gunmanship."   I suppose that speak for one my complaints that the mythos in this show feels like a hodgepodge that isn't too holistically-integrated. I like them, don't get wrong, but the fantasy elements in this show feel like they're taped together.

Watch this episode, “Hang Fire,” below and decide for yourself, then read my comments on the previous episode here.     

  

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of  HYBRID BASTARDS!  &  UNIMAGINABLE . Order them on Amazon   here  &   here .  Follow him on Twitter:  @tompinchuk   

Lurkeroon Dec. 28, 2010 at 7:08 p.m.
Oh snap. There are spammers on Animevice now!? Those things are everywhere!
 
Anyways, on my reaction to the latter half of the series. I was definitely on knive's side of the argument. I do the same thing for Batman. Personally I think it's ridiculous to spare the life of someone who is willing to take the lives of others. It's been said many times, "How many people does the Joker have to kill or harm for Batman to finally put an end to it?"
 
I don't want to say too much more because Knives has some pretty good quotes. And remember, even the best series has filler episodes. My favorite 26 episode series, Samurai Champloo, even managed to work in a few episodes of filler.
WarlordPayneon Dec. 28, 2010 at 9:35 p.m.
@lurkero: I think Trigun did a decent job of justifying why Vash refuses to kill people.  I agree with you in that I wouldn't have come to the same decision that he did but I can understand how he ended up there. 
 
Samurai X: Trust & Betrayal is the only thing I've seen that, to me, fully justified a character's complete refusal to take a life.
FoxxFireArt moderator on Dec. 28, 2010 at 9:39 p.m.
I've been trying for five minutes to delete that SPAM, but I can't access any of the options.
darfox8on Dec. 29, 2010 at 5:32 a.m.
I'm going away to a far away apartment with no internet so I probably wont be around to comment anymore, which is a bummer since I liked seeing a fresh set of eyes on a show I've probably watched a billion times. Hopefully I make it back before the end.
 
Almost every episode from here on out has it's own to-kill-or-not-to-kill conundrum and they're great cause they don't really have a right answer. 
reputatsioonon Dec. 30, 2010 at 4:36 a.m.
Nice.
SEXYTRONon Dec. 30, 2010 at 7:41 a.m.

I agree that there were too many episodes. But then again, I kind of wish most anime series had around 15 rather than around 25.
bybeachon Dec. 30, 2010 at 8:06 a.m.
Ive only watched one of these, I simply do not know about another. Let me expound upon someone @lukero brings up and I know minimally more about, Batman 
Batman does not kill. On one level it is because he is clinically insane, He is obsessive and compulsive about everything. He even built a bat-cave under Arkham asylum.  admittedly I have Ryan for this insight, because before the game I never cared about Batman much...heh.
 
But he is insane..clinically, because of the graphic murder of his father and mother. What happened to them will never happen to another by his hand. That does not stop him from crippling some guy who tried too hard to put Batman down. That person may wish he was dead, but Batman will not kill him. When you delve down to the basic question though, is Batman insane, or has he decided on a bedrock answer to the kill or not-kill conundrum. I think yes, at least it is inferred by his intelligence and that he establishes value. The choice forces one to make insane decisions because it is an absolute, but it is one I admire...I think. But like communism in practice( I'm still not at all sure ppl. just didn't use communism for cynical dictatorship), that is, used it in name only) Batman is driven to the extremes, especially if he is going to succeed in defeating the Joker and such. And this manifests itself as insanity. 
 
Sorry, I'll try to watch another episode of Trigun..sometime. I do not share Batmans Insanity for the need to think and do it all,  though actually I kinda liked the charactor Art and such in the one I did watch 2 or 3 weeks ago
No_name_here staff on Dec. 30, 2010 at 2:14 p.m.
@lurkero said:
 I do the same thing for Batman. Personally I think it's ridiculous to spare the life of someone who is willing to take the lives of others. It's been said many times, "How many people does the Joker have to kill or harm for Batman to finally put an end to it?"
It's an argument that comes up in a lot of fiction. DEATH NOTE definitely explored the excesses of the other side of the equation.@lurkero said:
And remember, even the best series has filler episodes. My favorite 26 episode series, Samurai Champloo, even managed to work in a few episodes of filler. 
I'm fine with one-offs. This is really the first series I've watched, outside of DBZ, that had identifiable filler. Every other mega show was a lot tighter and on point.
No_name_here staff on Dec. 30, 2010 at 2:27 p.m.
@WarlordPayne said:
 Samurai X: Trust & Betrayal is the only thing I've seen that, to me, fully justified a character's complete refusal to take a life. "
I don't Vash's non-lethal insistence is that far removed from that of Shaolin warrior monks'.
No_name_here staff on Dec. 30, 2010 at 10:50 p.m.
@darfox8 said:
" I'm going away to a far away apartment with no internet so I probably wont be around to comment anymore, which is a bummer since I liked seeing a fresh set of eyes on a show I've probably watched a billion times. Hopefully I make it back before the end.   
Ah hell... well, at least these posts will still be here whenever you get back. They aren't going anywhere!
No_name_here staff on Dec. 30, 2010 at 10:56 p.m.
@bybeach said:
 He even built a bat-cave under Arkham asylum.  admittedly I have Ryan for this insight, because before the game I never cared about Batman much...  
I think that might've been made up for the game. But yeah... sociopaths do make for the most interesting protagonists.
MrASSH0LEon Jan. 1, 2011 at 7:14 a.m.

OK I have a question .A couple months ago I tried to watch Trigun ,I watched about 2-3 episodes and they were just annoying fillers with very bad comedy and I would like to know when does the serie start getting good.

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