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So did DANTALIAN rip this off?

The pipe ain't making you any sharper, sweetie.
The pipe ain't making you any sharper, sweetie.

A lot of you lunatics were telling me that DANTALIAN “ripped off” this series. I don’t know too much about the context: I don’t how Bones and Gainax’s respective start dates align, nor do I know if either of these are based on any books, let alone which of those books came firstl. From my own sort-of “double blind” perspective, there are undeniable base similarities. Both of these shows center on mysteries (with actual or only seeming supernatural qualities,) both revolve around outlandishly-huge libraries and both star a willful lil' spitfire and a more reserved young intellectual. Such broad similarities aren’t enough to call this plagiarism, by my reckoning, though. Even if they do, this case perhaps serves as an argument for how rip-offs can improve an idea with a second go-round, because I wasn’t nearly as impressed by GOSICK as I was by DANTALIAN.

The plotting starts off rather muddled, here, and our plucky male lead just shows up suddenly at the library without much clear delineation of how he got there, or even why. The joke about the master detective’s pompadour is lame from the get-go, and it gets even lamer when it turns into a running gag. Also, I realize this is all fantastical and I’m not always aware of which strict audiences these shows are intended for, but the centerpiece murder case is built on one the flimsiest mysteries I’ve seen in any stripe of detective fiction. Wouldn’t the old lady’s gun wound still be smoking? Wouldn’t she still be a twitching mess? Even Scooby Doo would find it patently obvious that the maid did it.

I don’t want to totally trash the show. Lame hairdo-related banter aside, the three leads make good foils and I especially liked how the “unpacking” scene said a lot about the girl’s reclusiveness without actually stating anything outright. Perhaps, it’s simply a victim of my timing, though, because this “book” looks rather dogeared in comparison to DANTALIAN's rich hardcover spine.

Watch this episode "The Dark Reaper Finds The Golden Fairy" here and decide for yourself.

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of HYBRID BASTARDS! & UNIMAGINABLE. Order them on Amazon here & here. Follow him on Twitter: @tompinchuk

Karkarovon Oct. 13, 2011 at 6:43 a.m.

No you are right Tom, the shows only have the most broad things in common. This show for example has no supernatural elements at all, everything in it is always explained away by some sort of "science" etc. Most episodes do resolve around some sort of mystery though, some easier to solve than others.

For the record this show is based on a series of japanese short novels. I think Dantalian is literally made for anime though. This shows gets alot better as it goes on, it's first episode was not it's best to be sure.

PS: I shouldn't write comments this early after waking up I clearly use the words "this show" too often,

Marshal Victoryon Oct. 13, 2011 at 6:50 a.m.

Male leads are bit difrent .More so than look. Female lead an secondary female leads are bit similar.Personality wise an look..Gosick has a long slow atory arch that at 1st reminds me of scoby doo then turns sandman epic  with a finish i didnt expect.Dantalian starts strong an then breaks apart with no over arching story.Its more like the twilight zone style stries with sandman influances . 
 
Story wise tehir as apart as one can get with familar cloth bindng the two.Time period,style, seting, even as mentioned main characters bearing some resemblances.But where as Gosick got better an better an drew me in deeper with each episode.The other did just  the opisite. 
 
Also sites background is white now for two days. lucky i know how to highlight the text to read the article..But please forgive my poor spelling /english use/typeing its like typeing amost blind.
Halberdierv2on Oct. 13, 2011 at 7:28 a.m.

Wohoo, Gosick! one of the top animes this year!

bit of a warning though, the first couple of episodes aren't based on the manga, so they might not be up to par. when the canon story hits however, its awesome.

metalsnakezeroon Oct. 13, 2011 at 8:08 a.m.

Gosick is a little hard to get in to than Dantalian but the general concept is mostly the same making them pretty interesting series. Tom, I think you should watch 3 episodes of a series to see if it is going anywhere. You'll be surprise how fast most series turn around in that amount of time.

SergioBon Oct. 13, 2011 at 8:21 a.m.

@Karkarov: They're both based on light novels turned manga. Different authors.

InfiniteGeasson Oct. 13, 2011 at 12:03 p.m.

I really enjoyed this show even if the ending is a bit farfetched.

arch4nonon Oct. 13, 2011 at 12:41 p.m.

I was of the opinion Dantalian was simply bad rather than a ripoff, but I guess it can be both.

zaldaron Oct. 13, 2011 at 5:32 p.m.

As I said in dantalion I was suprized that so many people liked this one better. Honestly from what I have seen of this show it looked like a totally moe show with no underlying point. Are you saying that is not accurate? If it is not I may want to check it out. Dantalion looked like it was going to go in some rather interesting philosophical directions...

@ Tom "both star a willful lil' spitfire" this is a very common anime trope. So much so that it has a name. These type of characters are usually called Tsundere.

AURON570on Oct. 13, 2011 at 8:08 p.m.

At the beginning I found the 2 main characters to be insufferable, but I wanted to keep watching, partly because it was by bones and I had high hopes. Toward the end, after getting to understand the characters better, I started thinking of it as a romance, and I enjoyed it more than when I was looking at is as a mystery. I found that sometimes it can be hard to see how the different mysteries play a role in furthering the overall plot or developing character relationships (mainly the relationship between Kujo and Victorique). But the problem is, if you look at it as a romance instead of as a mystery, it's a pretty conventional tsundere romance. Overall I think it's a good series, has some memorable characters, decent plot, good visuals, but it's nothing amazing.

YotaruVegetaon Oct. 13, 2011 at 8:24 p.m.

What FOOLS. Anyone who told you that Dantalian ripped off Gosick didn't watch past the initial trailer for the show. I actually watched Dantalian, and the only similarity it has with GoSick is that there are books in each.

I didn't really care to watch any more Dantalian. It didn't do anything for me. GSick, on the other hand, was very interesting. Yo have your pint-szed detective, living like a hermit, and the guy is the sidekick of sorts, but he still steps up in a pinch. I think GoSick is a fun show to watch.

FoxxFireArt moderator on Oct. 13, 2011 at 9:05 p.m.

GOSICK anime is based on a light novel series that began back in 2003. I'm a huge sucker for detective series and brunettes. I still haven't sat down to watch this series just yet. I don't really know enough about Dantalian to state how much either is based upon the other. The Dantarian no Shoka light novel series didn't begin until 2008.

Detective Conan is my all time favorite detective manga series. It's just too bad that when they brought it to the U.S. that they butchered the story. On top of removing all the original cast's Japanese names for a series that takes place in Japan. I've seen issues that have straight up errors in the translation work. You can not be publishing a murder mystery series and your translation screws up where evidence is found.

Fire Star moderator on Oct. 13, 2011 at 9:14 p.m.

Oh, Tom, I haven't watched Gosick all the way through, but now, I'm excited to do it with you!

Marshal Victoryon Oct. 15, 2011 at 8:22 a.m.

@YotaruVegeta said:

What FOOLS. Anyone who told you that Dantalian ripped off Gosick didn't watch past the initial trailer for the show. I actually watched Dantalian, and the only similarity it has with GoSick is that there are books in each.

I didn't really care to watch any more Dantalian. It didn't do anything for me. GSick, on the other hand, was very interesting. Yo have your pint-szed detective, living like a hermit, and the guy is the sidekick of sorts, but he still steps up in a pinch. I think GoSick is a fun show to watch.

Ok 1st off ya admit not watching to much Dantalian but people are fools for seeing similarities?Well let this fool who has watched both series altho im only half way threw dantalian now.Show you some things that are similar

1st off show style.Both gothic animation style .Both use the detective story cruch some more than others.

2nd cast.

http://www.animevice.com/dalian/18-30192/

an

http://www.animevice.com/victorique/18-30447/

Share not only similar looks but personality traits.As well as a weekness for books an sweets.Some have gone as far as saying the only difrence is the hair color but i belive theirs a bit more than that.

http://www.animevice.com/avril-bradley/18-30571/

an

http://www.animevice.com/camilla-sauer-keynes/18-32999/

looks are very close,Tho age could be argued at 1st glance they look very close.But their personalties whimsical an adventureous bubbly types.

Now the male leads.

http://www.animevice.com/kujo-kazuya/18-30448/

an

http://www.animevice.com/hugh-anthony-disward/18-30124/

they look nothing alike! Ahh but ones a veteran one becomes a vetran, both have similar personalties tho i would argu kujo is way more the melee an hugh is more the ranged.

Both shows have books as a theme , One is used as a story device for over arching story archs.The other pulls them like magical red herings from the chest of a little girl more oft than not.

Stoy style tho overal all is way difrent. Dantian feels more twilight zone /one shot type than the long over arching story telling in gosick.Actualy im up to episode 9 of The Mystic Archives of Dantalian .Just not finished the series yet.Got hooked on occult acadamy an a few others on my que at hulu an cruchyroll.Ill get to it eventualy but over all i liked gosick more .Tho gosick as mentioned starts slow an doesnt get great til 3 or 4 in.

zaldaron Oct. 15, 2011 at 2:34 p.m.

A post I made about choosing between Gossik and Dantalian:

Ok so watched the first episode of Dantalian but people have told me it isn't really any good and ripped off Gossick which is good. Not having seen the first episode of Gosick and in the past having no interest in this show at alll...asking for information. None of this is meant to raise hackles I am sorry if it does.

1. What I loved about Dantalian was the philosophy and potential for deep exploration of that side. The idea of knowledge that shouldn't be known (is there truth that we shouldn't know) and the nihilistic philosophy read from the book in the first episode and how it was used to tell the main characters history (and was a good response to that history). Does the show do this for its entire run, does it delve into these issues with any depth at all?

2. Gossick seemed like a show more interested in cute (though it did that very well) is that not a good description? Does it actually pick up on the "deepness" that Dantalian looks like it will but I have been told it does not? Thanks fellow maniacs!

and the Response:

Gosick and Dantalian are two very different shows. It annoys me that people seem to compare them because they both have very short cute smart gothic girls with a bad attitude and a male lead who do a lot of traveling and resolve issues in a European environment.

Gosick is a detective show constructed in story arcs that eventually reveal more about and develop the cast as they solve mysteries. Dantalian is about mysticism and philosophy and is very episodic with very little development of the cast as they deal with the consequences of mystical books and human nature. They are not the same and not targeted to the same people. I would not recommend Gosick to a Dantalian fan or vice versa. Dantalian is closer to Kino's Journey or Mushishi than Gosick. Gosick is a cute detective show that gets more serious and angsty as it goes on.

Given your reasons for liking Dantalian I doubt you would enjoy Gosick. It also does not surprise me that people who love Gosick would be unhappy with Dantalian.

So for me it looks like Dantalian would be better and I hope this is the one you choose to follow. I am especially interested due to the comparisions to Mushishi and Kino's Journey...

YotaruVegetaon Oct. 15, 2011 at 5:03 p.m.

@Marshal Victory:

I didn't need to watch more than one episode to realize the difference between the two, and it is not difficult at all to see where the differences end.

They have very basic similarities, but, like I said, if you've seen just a trailer for Dantalian, then you have seen most of what would make you believe they're they same.

Dantalian deals with the supernatural, while GoSick is pretty much grounded in reality-- well, as much as it wants to be.

As for similar setting and dealing with books, how many anime do you think can be found which have to deal with Gothic style and deal with books?

If you say the characters are similar, I will have to take your word for it, but from what I have seen of both shows, they are not the same.

Marshal Victoryon Oct. 17, 2011 at 8:26 a.m.

@YotaruVegeta:

I did not say they were one an the same. But i was called a fool for seeing similarities.Its natural for people to compare things that have a surface level sameness.

@zaldar: Err who is your post aimed at?I do not see a reason one cant enjoy both shows for what they are.Maybe its just me but i do like both shows. But i like gosick a touch more.Just because it has a over arching story.

YotaruVegetaon Oct. 17, 2011 at 9:59 a.m.

@Marshal Victory: I was being silly, not mean. Also, I did not cl you out in particular. I know it didn't come through in plain text, but to STILL have comparisons drawn at this point to he two shows feels like an argument that should've washed away by now.

Marshal Victoryon Oct. 18, 2011 at 9:04 a.m.

@YotaruVegeta:

Naw it will not go away because of the things i pointed out that are similar enuff to make people go hmmm.Their not the same by far .But like say a Eorld of Warcraft players belives Warhammer copied WoW. People will get the order wrong or just do the usual fanboy deal.

I can see shades of sandamn comic in both as well. Heck the vid ending of Dantalian looks like someting http://www.comicvine.com/dave-mckean/26-24246/ would do.

takashichea moderator on Oct. 24, 2011 at midnight

I think most people are turned off by the first episode of Gosick. You have to push on. It's like Gintama's anime.

@Halberdierv2 said:

Wohoo, Gosick! one of the top animes this year!

bit of a warning though, the first couple of episodes aren't based on the manga, so they might not be up to par. when the canon story hits however, its awesome.

That's right!

@AURON570 said:

At the beginning I found the 2 main characters to be insufferable, but I wanted to keep watching, partly because it was by bones and I had high hopes. Toward the end, after getting to understand the characters better, I started thinking of it as a romance, and I enjoyed it more than when I was looking at is as a mystery. I found that sometimes it can be hard to see how the different mysteries play a role in furthering the overall plot or developing character relationships (mainly the relationship between Kujo and Victorique). But the problem is, if you look at it as a romance instead of as a mystery, it's a pretty conventional tsundere romance. Overall I think it's a good series, has some memorable characters, decent plot, good visuals, but it's nothing amazing.

The anime blossoms and jumps genres.

My teammates said it better than me.

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