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Should You Ever Root for the Bad Guys? -- THE VICE PIT

Is it wrong to cheer on evil people doing evil things? What does it say about us when we fall under the spell of charming villains like Light, Lelouch and the crew of BLACK LAGOON?

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salbingon Sept. 30, 2013 at 8:04 a.m.

well here i was hoping to participate on the subject. was this video really all that exclusive anyway?

No_name_here staff on Sept. 30, 2013 at 11:03 a.m.

@salbing: It's fixed, now!

sickVisionz moderator on Sept. 30, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.

At work and haven't watched yet, but I almost always root for the bad guys. They're usually considerably more interesting than the good guys and that's in pretty much every medium and genre I've ever experienced.

They're just smarter to me. Too many storytellers try to make things exciting by having the good guys catch a lucky break all of the time and fall into success. That's lame to me. I was always taught that planning and using your brain are what will get you ahead in life and are principals to live by. I've never liked stories where the slacker half-asses and lucks his way to success while the person who uses his brain and puts some thought behind his actions is doomed to failure. It's sad that this is the default setup for so many stories. Being an idiot who catches lucky breaks is the recipe for success but being smart and using your brain generally results in total and complete failure.

Plus, baddies are just cooler to me. I love movies and tv shows about gangsters, criminals, and corrupt cops/officials. The closest I come to liking good guys are the ones who bend the rules to get the job done. Well, that and really smart good guys like Sherlock or Luther who use their brain to outwit the bad guy.

JiCion Sept. 30, 2013 at 11:26 a.m.

I think the better question would be "Should you always root for the protagonist/main character, regardless of his or her actions?". I totally rooted for Lelouch, but didn't do so for Light.

Tron39on Sept. 30, 2013 at 12:01 p.m.

In my opinion, it depends. Lelouch and Light are great examples. I rooted for them because they were fighting for reasons, Lelouch was fighting a corrupt empire and Light was trying to rid the world of crime and those things I can relate with, sometimes it can also be because we like the character enough that I can overlook what they're doing and why. It all depends.

GokaiRedon Sept. 30, 2013 at 12:15 p.m.

You can always route for Necessary Evil which i think Black Lagoon falls under

Marshal Victoryon Sept. 30, 2013 at 1:10 p.m.

Yeah Black Lagoon crew does not fall into evil villian status.Some things tho Sam should consider .

1st look into http://palladiumbooks.com/ any of their rpgs have a much better explanation on alignments than D&D ever did.Because in general the law vs chaos arguments with D&D get silly very fast.

2nd Hellsing Ultimate would actualy be a good example of gee the 1st few episode really didnt cut it but the rest of the series does.It is closer to the manga ( from what i have been told) but its more Fangoria like.Over the top gore.If you cant like that kind of thing then no you wil not like the series.Also that means you dont like The Evil Dead.Same "vein" of gore so to speek.

Rooting for the vilian is rare thing .Alucard tho does fall under fallen villian stauts.

metalsnakezeroon Sept. 30, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.

@Tron39 said:

In my opinion, it depends. Lelouch and Light are great examples. I rooted for them because they were fighting for reasons, Lelouch was fighting a corrupt empire and Light was trying to rid the world of crime and those things I can relate with, sometimes it can also be because we like the character enough that I can overlook what they're doing and why. It all depends.

Elfenlied1012on Oct. 4, 2013 at 10:46 a.m.

While I actually like hellsing Ultimate, I'm not even going to bother trying to defend it. More on the subject I think the question is a bit of a misnomer, you dont really every root for the villain, at least not in my case, you just begin to find them justifiable. To like them ( outside of just because oh their cool, but that rarely gets to me) you have to at least see their perspective as within question. In example I never saw Lelouch as a villain due to my allegiance towards him. Same say as I saw L has the hero and light as the villain. Or in Psycho-pass towards the end I kind of near sided with the villain, due to me seeing his actions as none villainy more questionable methods.

Perhaps that sense of justifying them is a bit of self deception much like suspension of disbelief, but that's a bigger question.

Also Moral complexity is more intellectually stimulating so done well it is always better then Binary Morality.

zaldaron Oct. 7, 2013 at 1:35 p.m.

Oh lord am I glad you got to talking about this! The sense of grey and justifiable evil was what got me into anime. After Ghost in the Shell and Eva that whole sense of there really isn't a bad or good guy here is what I like about the medium. Only recently has western stuff started doing this but anime does it all the time. Death Note is a great example, in the beginning I really could route for light as what he was doing i could see myself agreeing with. Which I just realized is using grey morality to make viewers route for a character who believes in black and white morality (he is killing people but it is ok because viewer where he is you commit a crime you die) there is a paper in that I think...

Lelouch was easier as he was fighting a very evil regime but man some of the things he did to his sister...ug. Really the best media in any form (game of thrones, witcher) does the grey rather than the black and white.

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