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Sex, Lies, and Geek Girls Finale

Babs and Gia wrap up their conversation about girls in comics, girls getting raped in comics, and comics for girls.

It's time, sadly enough, to say goodbye to Sex, Lies, and Geek Girls: today's video is our fifth and final chunk of the lengthy conversation that Comic Vine 's Babs and I had about girls in comics, girls hwo get rape in comics, and comics for girls (which may or may not include rape). This part continues where we left off, talking about the difference between manga for girls and comics for girls, and the success of the former versus the relative lack of presence of the latter-- and why that's not necessarily a bad thing.

 





Everyone thank Babs for taking part and being such a sport in terms of my general prattling on all over the place (it's a topic near and dear to my heart, actually, after having so many other conversations on related matters), and don't worry-- you'll see her again before too long.

RedRoseson June 24, 2009 at 6:46 p.m.
I enjoyed watching this series. It's nice to get the perspective from the American comic side of things because I'm not aware of most Stateside comics minus the movie adaptation stuff (and I know that usually ends up changing tenfold anyway). Thanks for a good feature~ I hope to see more crossover stuff from the sister sites more often now. I'm digging the comparison stuff.
YotaruVegetaon June 24, 2009 at 7:10 p.m.
Someone was sleepy when they wrote the description for this episode! What is curious to me is that when people talk books for girls, the character usually has to be a woman, or a woman has to be invlolved. Are there not caes when this isn't true? 
lanaswifton June 24, 2009 at 10:59 p.m.
@YotaruVegeta: There are in Japan-- yaoi, for example, features male characters, although honestly in most stereotypical yaoi, at least one of the men is really just a stand-in for a female. The original "shounen ai" genre (which did not mean "non-hardcore yaoi" like so many western BL fans think it does) was about young (pre-pubescent) boys and their friendships or relationships.

But you've got an interesting point: most popular shoujo manga and American comics for girls start from square one: a female lead. By contrast, there are actually a fair few seinen series that have female leads, like Yotsuba&!, Gunslinger Girls (thanks for the rec, gia), Rozen Maiden, etc, and even a few shounen series with female leads (particularly in the shounen romance subgenre).

By contrast, you almost never see a mainstream shoujo manga or an American comic aimed specifically at girls with a male lead.

There are exceptions though...in terms of point of view, Ouran High School Host Club spends more time in the guys' minds than in Haruhi's, which is also true of its near-clone, My Heavenly Hockey Club, and for the similarly-themed reverse harem(-ish) Wallflower. 

Hmm...another few exceptions: Boku wa Imouto ni Koi wo Suru, especially towards the beginning; Godchild and the rest of the Cain series; and of course a few almost-but-not-quite-yaoi series (Descendents of Darkness, Meine Liebe, Kyo Kara Maoh!, etc).

I still think those are more the exception than the rule though. 
Lunarmothon June 26, 2009 at 8:16 p.m.
Enjoyed watching all the videos, but why did you break them up so much, it got  no flow. You could made this all one video or maybe 2 parts. But, more on topic, love you talk and felt like you could of gone on much longer. But I sure you both are very busy. When it comes to comic and manga a remarkable difference is to be found, few which you have talked about. If you two are up to it, I would love to hear more of your opinions.

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