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Required Reading: Photo Tracing in Manga

In the mood for an essay? Here's a great one.

 Liechtenstein copied, too.
 Liechtenstein copied, too.
It's happened more than once: a popular mangaka gets in trouble for taking poses or outright tracing photographs and using it in his or her manga. One of the more recent such occurrences took place in the yaoi niche, where Embracing Love (Haru wo Daiteita) author Youka Nitta was found to have used a number of fashion photos as the basis for a number of cover and other promo art for the well-known work.

Spotted via Simon Jones at Icarus Publishing, a blogger going by "animekritik" talks about another famous manga artist who got caught tracing some years back, Kaoru Fujiwara, who drew adult manga (such as the anthology titled "Fetish," which got the blogger interested in the first place).

The blogger elects not to address the ethical or legal issues, but talks instead about how such inter-medium theft can in fact make the work seem as or more powerful than the original; he(?) also compares it to sampling in the music biz--  as a Daft Punk fan, the blogger prefers the DP tracks t the originals most of the time. (Of course, DP also credits and pays royalties for those samples.)

It's a pretty interesting piece and well worth the read, especially any of you who are studying or hoping to work in a visual medium. Fair warning: there are photos with boobs in them in the post-- the fashion photos and the art derived from them, like this one. 

Setting aside the ethics of tracing, sampling, etc. here, what do you think? Can a trace, as altered by the artist, be stronger than an original photograph or drawing? Can a song with music samples be better than the song it samples from?
Ruby_Alexandrineon Sept. 29, 2009 at 10:07 a.m.
I vividly remember the Nitta Youka controversy of last year.  It was a hot topic of discussion at the yaoi Livejournal communities and Aarinfantasy forum.  It was a heated debate which I don't care to discuss anymore.  I think photographic images that are altered by artist have equal appeal.  The fashion spreads and ads that Nitta Youka used in her illustrations actually look great.  It made her characters look like fashionistas.
AmandaBeeon Sept. 29, 2009 at 11:30 a.m.
Overall it's a good piece. I especially liked the Borges quote at the end. Too bad the author contradicts it further on in the comments.
 

Can a trace, as altered by the artist, be stronger than an original photograph or drawing? 

Absolutely.  

Example A
Example A
Example B
Example B
FoxxFireArt moderator is online on Sept. 29, 2009 at 1:41 p.m.
Well, what do you know? Manga does have it's own version of Greg Land.
Kelleth moderator on Sept. 29, 2009 at 1:47 p.m.
Alex Ross always takes photographs of his friends before going to the drawing board to give the real feel to his comics
giaon Sept. 29, 2009 at 2:23 p.m.
@Kelleth: And yet, I remember in an art class getting in trouble for sketching from a photograph (not tracing) rather than doing it from life. Go fig! ;)
YotaruVegetaon Sept. 29, 2009 at 3:14 p.m.
I'm not for tracing (Greg Land and whatnot) but when can you call it just tracing and when can it be called an inspiration provided by an image? Maybe the hentai artist did not give credit, but was he (she? my fault) simply tracing?  
 
Alex Ross isn't a tracer because he doesn't hide that he uses models to create his work.  
 
I think tracing is at its worst when someone uses it as a shortcut or to hide their lack of talent.
HeeroYuyon Sept. 29, 2009 at 5:03 p.m.
Art is weird. Artistic copyright is even weirder.
 
Isn't there some famous quote that goes "Good artists copy, Great artists steal."?
sunfloweron Sept. 29, 2009 at 9:18 p.m.
I don't think there's anything wrong with taking inspiration from another kind of artwork and transforming it.  I do think though, that the original creator should be credited, and in some cases asked first (if depends upon the point being made).
willyverebon Nov. 29, 2009 at 11:34 p.m.
I think of course it can. Because it's not one person's work, but two instead. My character pic is a somehow good example, though I note I didn't do an excellent work but still.
Original:
 Claire Stanfield as it was made by midori310, a pixiv artist.
 Claire Stanfield as it was made by midori310, a pixiv artist.
Mine:

 Keith Mackenzie, my character on animevice. Crude, but I think an effective edit.
 Keith Mackenzie, my character on animevice. Crude, but I think an effective edit.

I only changed the lights and colors and added some fog/smoke effects. Perhaps is it better or not partially a matter of preference...especially because of my somehow crude work on altering it.
 
In short: it's either a hit or miss. If the one modifying and using the image messes with the parts making the picture especially good then it's a miss. If the he/she ends up strenghtening the main assets of the picture and may also ends up adding new and good meaning to it then it's a hit.
All depends on the luck and the skill of the one modifíing it.

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