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Question of the Week: Souls vs Innocence

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This week's Question of the Week was a quick'n'simple one: which do you prefer, Soul Eater or D.Gray-Man? Both series are style-heavy shounen action shows, one skewing slightly more comedy and the other slightly more drama.

The consensus was definitely in Soul Eater's favor amongst everyone who'd actually seen the shows (or at least one of them), and I'm inclined to agree that Soul Eater is a more solid, sleek package. There are definitely times when I'm more in the mood for D.Gray-Man though. Hmm! 


Favorite points include:

Lan

"My favorite character is Black Star--YA-HOO! He's all brawn and no brain, but something about the way he just rushes into things and always wants to be #1 makes me love him."
 

FoxxFireArt (Mild Spoilers!)

"I really liked the scenes where the spirit of Medusa haunted Stein. All their scenes together were awesome. Even before she was exposed as a witch. In a way. she reminded me of Mystique in X-Men. Beautiful, intelligent, treacherous, and a secret agenda. Now that I think about it. Both also have questionable mothering skills."
 

JJOR64

"I haven't seen/read either of these series yet. Can I pick Pokemon instead?"
 

Since last week's question was a pretty quick one, I decided to make this one a bit more topical-- and more serious. Do you think that lolicon and shotacon (e.g. hand-drawn materials featuring underage-- sometimes VERY underage --characters in sexual situations) should be banned? It's something we've discussed here and there as news came out, but I also wanted to open up the topic for those who didn't feel like they could air their opinion in the comments of a news post.
FoxxFireArt moderator on Jan. 26, 2010 at 2:14 p.m.
The new question sure is a hot button one. It was hard to give a simple answer. Though, that seems to be a theme for me. lol (As seen below.)
 
Really, where do you draw the line on how thing are drawn and why it goes too far.
 
Take for example Volume 18 of Negima!. In chapter 166, Negi, the ten year old teacher, is in the large public bath house of Mahora Academy. The high school aged girls are having fun teasing him by playing keep away with a magical ring given to him by Evangeline. Running back and forth he eventually slips and falls. Thus causing by accident the completely nude Fumika to sit right on his face.
 
Another example from the same volume in chapter 165. Misa Kakizaki of Negi's class asks who she thinks is a priest, "Does an average ten-year-old have any interest in sex?". She's speaking of Negi, and the note next to the dialog bubble shows she's being serious. In Volume 5, chapter 35, Misa also says in once scene, "I wanted to talk dirty to Negi-kun but... *heart*".
 
Does this now count as exploitation of a minor character? Sure the scenes aren't terribly graphic, but it does involve a minor boy.
Kuma_From_Argentinaon Jan. 26, 2010 at 3:18 p.m.
I laughed my ass of with Negima, if there isnt any explicit content is legal if not, well you cant ban it, there is freedom of speech? or am I wrong? 
 
I dislike underage or even normal hentai, but even so is a form of art and you cant ban it....
MoonStormon Jan. 26, 2010 at 8:55 p.m.
I don't like Nigima! not because of the sexual content but because of it almost pointless and endless story. However it did have some funny parts and is completely justified in it's context. I would rather read some Sundome for my well... "enjoyment". It may be just as Pointless but it has more "Context". Do we really want to ban every series that has the slightest sexual content of someone under 18 in it? We would lose a lot of books. Such as Chobits, Battle Royal, Sundome and countless others. 
ZachTheAnimeGeekon Jan. 26, 2010 at 9:19 p.m.

I SOOOO <3 Soul Eater. It;s one of the funniest anime's i've seen!
JJOR64on Jan. 27, 2010 at 12:21 a.m.
Soul Eater does look interesting.  I might have to check it out some time soon.
constanzadellarosaon Jan. 27, 2010 at 5:29 a.m.
Soul Eater is big time fun: nice characters, cool aestethics and a good story.
 
Regarding the second question: in some manga/ anime, sexual content is a comedy resource (Ranma 1/2 comes to my mind inmediately), pointless fanservice (Shinji Ikari Raising Project, but how many other series fall into this category, anyway?) or actually one of the key elements of the story (Chobits, Utena to mention a couple). But hentai is another thing. I've seen good, bad and ugly hentai and the only types of hentai that I have found disturbing are the loli/shota ones and rape related. Those give me the creeps, even if it is fiction, but I don't think all things published that have sexual content have to be banned. That would be absurd and would generate a huge black market. And we would be back in the 30's.
John_Martoneon Jan. 27, 2010 at 10:52 a.m.
Well, I guess the real question is:  "is there harm in it?"
 
No one here will probably give you much argument that there are thousands of interesting/funny/insightfully/terrible uses of drawn minors in this, that, or another story, but can we think of the situations where it does harm. I'm not asking for any statistics or graphs, but when people throw out numbers like...
"X% of all pedophiles have shotacon/lolicon on their computer"
  What I'm more interested in would be...

"X% of people with shotacon/lolicon that don't assault people"

Its an unknowable number, but my general faith in humanity says that there isn't a definable link between the two.
sotaroson Feb. 21, 2010 at 10:37 p.m.
i prefer soul eater. i like the characters more, especially chrona. though genderless, i find this character, boy or girl attractive. he or she is the embodiment of emo, and i don`t even like emo, but she makes me smile almost as much as nappa from dragon ball z abridged. (sorry, but no-one is at that level yet.) and loli medusa is hot. there i said it. as far as question 2 goes, i would like to bring up a few points.
1) no actual children need be involved with the making of lolita or shota hentai, so they are not real people. only schitsophrenics need worry about morality involving fictional characters.
2) negima is a bad example as it isn`t hentai. it`s eechi, (think softcore porn). you will find few mainstream lolita hentai series out here, and it`s the same as in japan, as most are just dojin works of completely innocent characters. (a message for moonstone - if you read where they are now, there  is very little dirty stuff and lots of plot. the series took a reversal from dirty comedy to action science-fantasy.) (though the creator of negima, ken akamatsu, did start his manga-ka career with hardcore card captor sakura doujin.
3) flat chested small bodied midgets who shave and are between 18-10000 years old problem solved.
John_Martoneon Feb. 26, 2010 at 2:08 p.m.
@sotaros: I wanna say they ruled on Crona's gender eventually. I could be wrong, but I remember being like "oh, I guess she's actually a girl." But yeah, I can't tell you why exactly I think that. With Chrona I just dig how his/her internal emo-ness is actually displayed via ragnarok, and shows how she is kind of the end result of all of this constant, needless pressures that are assaulting her at all times.

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