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One Fan’s Opinion: Is the Rebuild of Evangelion Really a Remake?

Or could it be a sequel to the original series?

There has been a lot of talk recently about the new Rebuild of Evangelion movies actually being a sequel to the original Eva series. Now I know most of you are probably shaking your heads right now or throwing your keyboard, but I think I should take a stab at this since I doubt the Mythbusters will ever tackle this issue. Can the Rebuild of Evangelion really be a remake? Short answer, yes.
 

    

How could Rebuild be a sequel if the story is similar to the original anime? Didn’t they originally say this was just going to be a remake of the first series? These are probably some of the questions that are floating through your head right now, let me try to answer them, but remember this is just a theory. The Rebuild of Evangelion is both a remake and a sequel at the same time. As we already know, the Remake and the original series are not exactly the same, in fact they are quickly diverging into their own stories.

At the end of the film, End of Evangelion, we are pretty much clueless on what exactly happened to our protagonists. The world appears completely destroyed, the oceans are made of blood, and Shinji is left alone with Asuka. However, what we do know is that Shinji stopped the Human Instrumentality Project from completing. What if all those people who turned into tang came back to life? What if what Shinji truly wanted was to restart the story from the beginning and try it all over again? Or what if the world of Eva runs in cycles, and will not be completed unless certain things happen, aka. Groundhog Day?

Why I’m asking these questions is because the world in the Rebuild films appears to be the same world at the End of Evangelion. For one a good portion of the oceans are made of blood, as we see in the End of Evangelion. The moon has a giant red stain across it, which is very similar to the ring of blood in the sky created by the giant Rei in the End of Evangelion. And other different things that make the world appear to have been used before.

Some of the biggest evidence is that Kaworu himself states “The promised time has come, Ikari Shinji-kun. This time I will, at least, make you happy.” If this where truly a remake, then how could he say “this time”? We all know that last time they met Kaworu did not “leave” on good terms with Shinji. Perhaps Kaworu himself is the only person in this story that knows this is just a cycle.

I really hope this ends up truly being a sequel, and not just a fan wankering hypothesis. Maybe this will become more evident in the coming films, or maybe it will be one of those things that is never outright stated, but true for those who look into it deeper. Regardless, this is exactly what I want from an Evangelion story, something to continue to think about after I finish watching the film; this is why I love Eva.

JDon June 10, 2010 at 9:04 a.m.
 I don't buy the explanation that it is a sequel.  I suppose it's possible, but it seems to be a relatively standard retelling that happen to some other anime series.
 
It's almost a ship of Theseus paradox, most of it has been replaced, though there are some original pieces that remain.  The part that makes this unusual is the fact that the remake (or what every you call it) uses some footage from the original.  Most remakes don't do that.
sickVisionz moderator on June 10, 2010 at 9:05 a.m.
Kaworu and the shot of the moon are possible signs.  Everything else doesn't really swing towards sequel>remake imo.
kuromochion June 10, 2010 at 9:06 a.m.
 After re-watching both films, and considering the hints in the coda of The End Of Evangelion, a lot of evidence is definitely pointing in the directions you're mentioning here. I also wrote several posts regarding this, and it seems to compliment both. But rather I'd suggest that it is more likely a sort of looped scenario which has taken place several times before we catch up to Rebuild, hence the coffins on the Moon.

http://animediet.net/commentary/bridging-the-gap-reviews-evangelion-2-0

http://animediet.net/commentary/rebuild-revisited-another-version-of-the-truth

There are plenty of nods to the theory of recurrence laid about within 1.0, where we come back to the phantom train sequences within the first half hour. This is only bolstered further as the actions of characters such as Ayanami have now taken on the pro-active stance in 2.0, picking up where she left off at the end of the original continuity. There are even the cosmetic clues you have exhibited.

[Spoiler Warning]

What seems to be happening is that the earth's damage has remained as human existence has reset itself numerous times due to Ikari's initial rejection of Instrumentality. Much like a typical time loop scenario, most of the memories of those within it are reset as well. But let us posit this...What if those latent memories slowly resurfaced within those closest to Instrumentality? Not pretending here to know all the answers (as for me, questions are far more interesting, esecially with EVA), but wouldn't it be interesting if we were in a lifetime version of Haruhi's Endless Eight with only some players becoming aware of their past renditions, even at a nagging subconscious level? In some manners, it sure feels like it. 
JettBlackkon June 10, 2010 at 9:18 a.m.
Theres really no denying this theory, all signs point to this being a post EoE world, as to what the final explanation will be,(if there ever is one) we'll just have to wait and see,,,,,,
ReVolutionOfEvangelionon June 10, 2010 at 1:10 p.m.
Our fansite, ReVolutionOfEvangelion.org, is actually working on a long video directly addressing "the Rebuild is a Sequel Theory" (which we support/ think would be funny)
 
I've discussed it in my panels at conventions before but it needs to be layed out better.
 
Our video will incorporate info from Rebuild of Eva 2.22.
CharredKnighton June 10, 2010 at 9:38 p.m.

All I am saying is that movie three better end with  Shinji driving off a cliff with a Tanuki while Komm, Susser Tod blares.  I mean it would be the greatest moment in anime history.
hitsusatsu11on June 10, 2010 at 9:54 p.m.
Could very well, be. Rei blocking Asuka's elevator attack smelled of pre cog.
MetalGearFlaccidon June 11, 2010 at 8:49 a.m.
@kuromochi said:

"  After re-watching both films, and considering the hints in the coda of The End Of Evangelion, a lot of evidence is definitely pointing in the directions you're mentioning here. I also wrote several posts regarding this, and it seems to compliment both. But rather I'd suggest that it is more likely a sort of looped scenario which has taken place several times before we catch up to Rebuild, hence the coffins on the Moon.

http://animediet.net/commentary/bridging-the-gap-reviews-evangelion-2-0

http://animediet.net/commentary/rebuild-revisited-another-version-of-the-truth

There are plenty of nods to the theory of recurrence laid about within 1.0, where we come back to the phantom train sequences within the first half hour. This is only bolstered further as the actions of characters such as Ayanami have now taken on the pro-active stance in 2.0, picking up where she left off at the end of the original continuity. There are even the cosmetic clues you have exhibited.

[Spoiler Warning]What seems to be happening is that the earth's damage has remained as human existence has reset itself numerous times due to Ikari's initial rejection of Instrumentality. Much like a typical time loop scenario, most of the memories of those within it are reset as well. But let us posit this...What if those latent memories slowly resurfaced within those closest to Instrumentality? Not pretending here to know all the answers (as for me, questions are far more interesting, esecially with EVA), but wouldn't it be interesting if we were in a lifetime version of Haruhi's Endless Eight with only some players becoming aware of their past renditions, even at a nagging subconscious level? In some manners, it sure feels like it.  "

 So, in a completely non-sarcastic manner, mind you, would that mean Shinji is in an unending loop similar to Rika from Higurashi?  But, unilke her, he has not yet gained awareness of this happening? Maybe the appearance of brand new Evas and characters are his suconcious way of him trying to save himself?
kuromochion June 11, 2010 at 8:03 p.m.
@MetalGearFlaccid:  That's pretty much my half-thesis in a nutshell. If it were in fact a sequel of sorts, I think I'd prefer it to be a redemption story after the worst-case-scenario events of the original continuity. It may also be important to consider Studio Kimigabuchi's Re-Take manga, and it's thrilling hypotheses about an endless cycle in the hands of such a delicate mind. It just makes a good deal of sense. This, and 2.0's ending  implies that Q is definitely going to be a wild card of a film with Shinji's purpose transposed to those he is closest to as opposed to the straw man notion of his father's love.
macker33on June 16, 2010 at 6:58 p.m.
Enjoyed the comparisons
choujin1on June 24, 2010 at 7:18 a.m.
This is an interesting theory. I'll have to try and watch everything in succession to see how it might fit together.
illanakion Sept. 17, 2010 at 8:08 p.m.

Hey, Man,I had the exact same thought when I was watching 2.0 a couple days ago, which led me to find this page.  I didn't really notice any of the evidence you presented, but I started thinking   this could be how Shinji recreated the world, or his world, after End of Evangelion.  Whether it's meant to be or not,  if the series is still open to interpretation, I'm going with that. 
Chikako_samaon Oct. 4, 2011 at 3:08 p.m.
While what you are saying is plausible, it is incorrect. A Quote from the movie: "This is what the world was supposed to look like before the second Impact." "The second Impact happened way before you were born, Shinji." Of course, I edited it, seeing as I am not authorized to display 'copyrited' content. But, do you see where you went wrong? Shinji wasn't born when Lillith apeared. Shinji wasn't born when The water turned to blood. Though, I can see why you would think this... Some reasons why this is (somewhat) a plausible idea: ~1: The remake makes several points to the old version. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That is the only reason you are basing this upon, though you state the reason several times in different fashions, alowing your readers to think you are stating different reasons. I'm sorry, but I, along with many, cannot accept this.
Chikako_samaon Oct. 4, 2011 at 3:30 p.m.

Something I forgot to mention: The second impact came 20 years before Shinji was born...

IAMNOTAROBOTon Jan. 30, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.

I have some supporting food for thought. All of the Evas were destroyed in the tv series except for Eva01 and the 9 MP Evas. The 9 MP evas fell back to Earth in their cross poses just as the outline on the side of the hill in the opening scene. That would suggest that something was there and removed. Eva01 was left drifting in space with the original lance. Since in this timeline there is as unknown eva on the moon with the lance, It is possible that this eva is the original unit01 that was pulling into the moon after instrumentality failed. All of the other evas the the rebuild timeline, which there are now more of are possibly salvaged from the MP Evas left on earth. Including the MP eva that was cut in half at the waist...provisional unit 05? EvaUnit02 beast mode looks very similiar to a MP eva with its giant mouth and tounge where EOE bezerker unit02 had a very human like face expect for its eyes. Also Unit02's blood is now red just like the MP evas. In the tv series, Unit02's blood was blue. Now the flash backs of second impact no longer contain one glowing white giant but now four. It is possible that EOE third impact became what people became to remember as their Rebuild 2nd impact once emerging from the LCL. I'm assuming the multiple white giants are now the MP evas and Adam. Also the episode titles give a clue. "You are not alone"...Shinji rejecting instrumentality and being and individual. "You cannot advance"...until there is change. Like straying from the predestined path. Those two are stretches. Most likely we will never have our questions answered or theories proved. I think that is the reason this series still excited my curiosity decades later.

DCypheron Jan. 31, 2012 at 2:25 a.m.

When I was first introduced to Evangelion, I was told that the Director/Artist had been put in a mental hospital between the making of Death and Rebirth and End of Eva. I've never actually read this or heard it anywhere else to be fair.

This has always explained all my questions about Evangelion.

AceOfHeartson Feb. 24, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.

According to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebuild_of_Evangelion ), the Rebuild movies are indeed a remake of the entire story, with original writer Hideaki Anno himself both writing and directing the Rebuild movies. The article states that he has specifically said that he is remaking the series into what he originally wanted it to be. New elements include new/deleted scenes and new characters, as well as a better retelling of many of the original plot elements.

We have also been told that the "Evangelion: Final" movie, when it comes out, is going to give us a different ending to the plot.

To any doubters: Like it or not, this is official.

Minamion March 18, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.

@AceOfHearts: Yeah because Wikipedia has the final word on everything.

Neuroticon March 18, 2012 at 9:10 a.m.

Hm, I always thought it was just a brighter retelling. The point about the red oceans is kind of interesting though. Frankly, I never got into the Rebuild. It just seems like it's been made to cash in and to cater to whiners who say the original series is too depressing but perhaps that's me being cynical. I like that it appears to focus on Rei more though. I always had a soft spot for Rei. Still, the original series and End of Evangelion is all I really need out of Eva.

Dragon988on Oct. 31, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
I have to agree that the evangelion rebuild is a sequel. I have only seen you are (not) alone as of right now. What makes me think this is what Kawor said at the end " I all ready know. If your waking me then the child has appeared and we have entered summation stage, right?" " The third one again, huh? You haven't changed. I'm looking forward to seeing you , Shinji Ikari" if I am understanding that right then that would signify that he knows all of it has happened before. It reminds me of Donny Darko in how some of the people seem like they are living a dream and how the only way to escape the dream is for Donny to die in the end.

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