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Loli in Trouble in Jolly Old England

Trouble in the Queen's Own: will loli manga be banned?

By gia manry  |  March 9, 2009

A while ago I reported on a bill in the UK that would ban “extreme pornography,” which could include a fair bit of hentai. But that wasn't the end of it-- now there's legislation coming into play that's designed to “ban all drawn imagery of an erotic nature where the 'impression' is that a participant or onlooker is a child, or rather is 'under 18,'” according to Sankaku Complex.


That said, Sankaku may be jumping the gun a little bit, declaring that the country is “set” to ban loli when in fact the ban hasn't yet gone through. Another article over at Onii-chan no Ecchi offers some more insight into the ban, and how those in the UK can oppose the ban if they so choose. Another blogger, Certifiably Insane, also offers an in-depth look at the process.


As Onii-chan no Ecchi notes, supporting free speech in this issue doesn't make one a pedophile, just like opposing it doesn't make one a religious nutjob. So play nicely in the comments, kids.

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OkazukiIchigoon March 9, 2009 at 4:47 p.m.
The reality is that its always unappropriated to show "explicit" to "erotic" material. Certain laws have to be judged by that, that it makes no sense arguing over it. 
DJTyranton March 9, 2009 at 4:58 p.m.
Legislation where the banning of content is based on interpretation is a pretty bad idea, because any legislator with a vendetta can shut down almost anything.
giaon March 9, 2009 at 4:58 p.m.
Ichigo: Could you explain further? I'm trying to understand if you're saying ALL pornography should be banned or if you're saying that all pornography, by virtue of being pornography, is offensive to some extent, making defining what's too much difficult?
Sigueon March 9, 2009 at 5:05 p.m.
Loli is weird and and isn't quite my cup of tea, but it doesn't hurt anybody. This is a case of something being banned because it goes against mainstream societal values. If someone wants to fap to drawings of little kids or tentacle monsters or pterodactyls, I'll look at 'em kinda funny, but they aren't hurting anybody. Also, pterodactyl porn is hilarious.
Zeouterlimitson March 9, 2009 at 5:08 p.m.
Hmm.
   I .... I honestly don't know. Loli has always been something I've tried to steer clear off and kind of ignore it's existance, not even think about it about to any extensive point so I could never come close to judging.
 
 Actually what's your opinion Gia?
giaon March 9, 2009 at 5:15 p.m.
Me? Maybe it's just my journalistic training, but I'm virtually always in favor of freedom of speech. In the case of lolicon, I think it's
a) unproven, and virtually impossible to prove, that it leads to molestation of real live kids, and
b) potentially an outlet for people with an inclination to molest young kids.

I remember reading comments from a woman who claimed to be a psychologist who worked with pedophiles, and she found that most of them had no interest in loli comics and whatnot because they're really mostly a fantasy that bears little to no resemblence to real live children, which ties into a. People who want to ban lolicon mostly just don't realize that what they're trying to do is control people's THOUGHTS-- it's not illegal to BE a pedophile, it's only illegal to act on those urges.

Now, admittedly, the aforementioned anecdote from the psychologist suggests that b) might not be true on a very significant scale, since it declares that this fantasy fiction isn't of interest to 'live' pedos. But if having that outlet even made just one pedophile able to keep their hands off-- and, as I addressed in a, doesn't lead others TO acts of pedophilia --then I'm okay with it.
OkazukiIchigoon March 9, 2009 at 5:18 p.m.
To a extent, no I'm not saying ALL pornography should be banned but they need to pass legislation to ban certain content of pornography. There are certain pornography that the western audiences will not get, either some will be offended or its too unappropriated. Loli for example should be banned, its too unappropriated that it might stir up, controversy.


Sigueon March 9, 2009 at 6:03 p.m.
Banning something because society "doesn't get it" or because it might stir up controversy is a very dangerous road to go down. Historically, if this happened, then segregation would still exist and women would still be considered the property of their husband. It seems silly to be comparing loli porn with the rights of minorities and women, but it really isn't all that different. The law exists to protect people and their rights, not to prevent people from being uncomfortable.
giaon March 9, 2009 at 6:04 p.m.
OkazukiIchigo: Surely you're not suggesting that anything that "stirs up controversy" should be banned? O_o I mean...that's a metric ass-ton of material, some of it entirely amazing. Mark Twain's Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn novels. Gone with the Wind. A Clockwork Orange.

rocketbomberon March 9, 2009 at 6:06 p.m.
In as much as Hentai of the more generic sort leads to actual sex for it's aspirants [=slim to none] I have to say that Lolicon depictions leading to sex of the sort they'd like -- for the respective adherents [=none to arrested] isn't something most people need to worry about.

I've gone the extra mile; I've already posted My Essay In Defence of Porn under my own damn name on a webspace that I myself control; a decision that might eventually get me fired, ostracised, and otherwise inconvenienced.  Still and all:  2D ain't real life by a far piece and the knee-jerk reaction of the part of any authority figure or self-appointed moderator of the human race always make me wonder -- why the drama?  What about the image makes you so angry [and that says so much more about You than it does about me] and yeah, it can be disgusting. -- so why aren't we making arguments on the basis of taste and art?  Why, always, is the immediate response one of a retreat to 'morals' without consideration of any other aspect of the material in question?

Of course, as I mentioned that's a position "that might eventually get me fired, ostracised, and otherwise inconvenienced."  

Do I like or endorse loli porn?  No, my own kinks lie along other tangents -- but under the larger umbrella of art and rights and Freedom of Expression do I acknowlege the market for such?  Grudgingly, yes.  

And creeps are creeps.  They do more than look.  Their taste in art is only tangentially related and can not be considered a causal factor.  (nuances like that are lost on law enforcement)

giaon March 9, 2009 at 6:12 p.m.
rocket: Excellent points all. I just cross my fingers that enough lawyers and CBLDF members/funders and the like worldwide can make the distinctions necessary to get it. (Optimists Club, here I come!)
TimMaughanon March 10, 2009 at 3:47 a.m.
Just to clarify some points from the Sankaku article: The problem here in the UK isn't with the 'socialist' government (please people, learn what that means before you use it all the time), but actually with the conservative media that refuses to understand issues likes this, stirs up fear about child porn, and exerts pressure to get laws like this passed. It's a mess, but has nothing to do with liberalism.
Suigetsuon March 10, 2009 at 2:48 p.m.
I would ban loli in all the world if I could.
So you are saying that you like little girls? ***ing pedo!
NovidAnonon March 10, 2009 at 3:57 p.m.
This issue in the UK has nothing to do with Loli. Nothing. Its more obfuscation to place anger on people who never did anything against the state.

You have to realize that the UK has no written constitution. They can be as socialist or Fascist as they wish and they have done so in the 1600's  to the late 1790's and the Victorian Era which was one aspect of a Western Guilded age which wasn't as evolved as one may perceive (remember, the US by 1873, was in a huge recession and that gilded age lasted from that year to the start of the first world war.) because the poor if they couldn't pay there debts were sent to debtor prisons, which means they couldn't speak out against the government (thats why there was a Civil War in England)

But this law, is to prevent any such new "V's" or "Watchmens" to be produced by another generation. This more has to do with a Generational Brain Trust war against the Boomers some Gen Jones and some Gen X ers against the majority of the what its called in these Circles, The Millennial's. Because the latter (which we are in) are going to have a lower living standard than the Boomers/Jones - we (and rightfully so) are going to blame those folk. In order to stop it - they create these laws so if your even NEAR such work they can put you to jail. You do a Politically Incorrect Parody, you could lose your job. All of this and these same governments who are lead by Boomers and Jones ask for us, to sacrifice MORE so they can continue to live... But we are overdebted, underpaid - beat up in the BART stations - (granted, that place is a hellhole - and these dudes are asking for it). So are you shocked when more laws continue to come down against us - and its over statistical nonexistence.

But granted. There is a split this issue. And the last poster proves the split. The problem is that we in the west (if you can include Japan) have become anti-human (read as anti-female) society. In such Police states (or upcoming), of course your gonna have sexual deviancy... sexual deviancy in these forms only a part of a problem of a lack of control. Jikan (despite what it looks like) tells it like it is in a way - that part of the Genre is only a symbol of what is lost and how socitity reacts to beauty while its in a lower state of mind. To put it in a better way, the poster above me wants big chested females, of age. somebody else would one such other things. The issue is there not real there symbols and drawings of what the person sees and has been raised by. Thats the issue with Porn, it deals with symbols of what females and males look like when they are having intercourse and not the reality of it. 

To ban symbols without figuring out if it hurts people - is the lead in to Police states and acting on such dire darkness. Sure the poster can say a person is sick. He has every right to do so. My only concern is that when you ban the symbol that isn't real its just an aspect of a drawing - your going to see much worse come down the pipe. Certain people live just on the things they know. Nobody here is going to change that. They have the free will, why cant they just use it for a chance and stop letting Mother Government dictate behavior. Its almost like humanity cannot grow up - and maybe thats the reason this part of the genre exist - because the people who buy it are already broken down souls and told they cannot be apart of a sociality that wants nothing to do with them. They are told from school on down that they will never get anywhere. Lets look at the massive social reasons why the genre is popular. Lets look at why Crunchroll and Arlong To Get Along Park are proecticting the hang-ups as the poster stated above and not moving forward from it and trying to get them some help. The whole thing might exist maybe because that they feel innocence is dead, and has been perverted by unknown forces, and there showing how bad its gotten.

Im not here to protect any body. Im here to state facts. These governments only want "their" boys on in there entertainment realm. U2 isn't the greatest rock stars because they care about Africa. But there treated as such. We are given crap for artists and the RIAA protects non talent. The Governments in the west do not want a comic book nor a animated tv series to state the truth about the Generation (Baby Boomers) in the Government - that they are the most Racist (neo-liberal), sexist, sense infatuated, gluttonous, greedy, incompetent and theocratic (in the bad way) Generation ever. And they will pass any law, any law to let the good times roll for them and leave us in the scraps.

That, I will never stand for.
Sigueon March 10, 2009 at 4:19 p.m.
Suigetsu said:
"I would ban loli in all the world if I could.
So you are saying that you like little girls? ***ing pedo!
"
gia said:
" As Onii-chan no Ecchi notes, supporting free speech in this issue doesn't make one a pedophile, just like opposing it doesn't make one a religious nutjob. So play nicely in the comments, kids. "



OkazukiIchigoon March 10, 2009 at 4:49 p.m.
Ahh, irrelevancy! With this subject in hand, you could bring up almost everything that ISN'T related to ANYTHING.

Brilliant! Just Brilliant! Comparing something that isn't irrelevant to topic.
macker33on March 13, 2009 at 8:59 p.m.
Seriously,would you miss it?
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