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Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion Guide!

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Code Geass Beginner's Guide 

Greetings, Anime Vice community! I've read several of the Beginner's Guides here, and I've been interested in writing one myself. The issue was choosing what series to write about. There are a number of series I could write about, but they will have to wait their turn.  
  
There have been guides for many of the major series most of you may of heard about, the Naruto Guide, the One Piece Guide, & the Evangelion Guide. Most of anime can be synthesized to just simply entertainment, but a rare few can be called an experience. Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion isn't just a show to watch. It's an experience. You may remember when I last discussed this series in my article We're Going To War. It first came to air back in October of 2006, created by the series director, Goro Taniguchi; and the main writer, Ichirou Ohkouchi. It was produced by Sunrise, the company that brought us the mech staple, Gundam, and the lesser known Scryed.  

What You Need to Know 

Code Geass originated as an anime series, but has had several manga spin-offs. By American standards it is rated TV-MA, each episode averages at about 24 minutes long, it has a total of 50 episodes, including both seasons; and 4 separate mangas. It's a wartime drama series due to the how graphic some of the violence can be. It truly earned it's Mature rating. This series is not at all shy about showing the horrors of genocide and discrimination. Now, it's not what I would call Schindler's List graphic, but it gets close. More often in animes, when they show dead bodies, they always hide eyes or just never show you the face. Code Geass is not delicate about showing you the faces of the dead. Quite a few times the imagery got to me.  

It's rare for me to watch something that unearths an entire gamut of emotions. I was shocked, inspired, moved, enraged, felt sorrow, and thrills. That's from episode one, and all the way to the finale of the second season. If I was to try and describe this this to the uninitiated, then I would compare this to the graphic novel/movie V for Vendetta. Both involve a masked man who ignites and inspires a violent rebellion against an empire, but has an all too personal motive behind his actions.  
 
That's not to say it's all heavy drama. There is plenty of touching story, some good humor, and fanservice thrown in now and again. If you are looking for some wild mech fights. This is going to grab you, and just get wilder as they become more powerful.

Plot of the Rebellion 

On the date of August 10 in the year of 2010 of the Imperial Calendar, the Holy Empire of Britannia invaded the neutral nation of Japan in the pursuit of the precious mineral fuel known as Sakuradite. Using the military force called the Knightmare Frames, they were able to drastically overpower the outdated tanks, and the government fell. As with all nations Britannia controls, Japan was stripped of it's name and retitled as Area 11, and the people were forever designated Elevens. Even within their own nation, they were now just numbers. No freedom, no liberties, and no rights. Their best hope for freedom would not appear until seven years later in the most unlikely source. A cast-away prince of Britannia is granted unto him by a mystical power by an immortal witch, and with the army he creates. He will bring the Britannian world power to it's knees and eradicate it. The only threat that stands in his way is a childhood friend who is an Eleven who wishes to change Britannia from within. 
 

Season 1 - Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion (コードギアス 反逆のルルーシュ, Kōde Giasu: Hangyaku no Ruruushu)

The first season was titled Code Geass: Lelouch of the RebellionLelouch Lamperougelived an average life as a student of the prestigious Ashford Academy with his little sisterNunnally. She was crippled and blinded in the assassination of their mother, Marianne vi Britannia. Lelouch could no longer stand his father's social Darwinism that treats people such as his little sister as useless. He forsakes any title to the throne, and the emperor sends them both away to Japan as political bargaining chips before the war. After the invasion, they are officially listed among the dead, but survived and live in secret under another name.  
Lelouch's boring school life is changed when he is accidentally caught in the middle of a Japanese terrorist group that believes they have stolen a biological weapon from Britannia. The true contents of this capsule is a young immortal witch, (C.C.) who gives Lelouch the power called Geass. With this he can command the absolute loyalty of all who gazed into his eyes. Now gifted with a power to oppose the Empire, Lelouch gathers the remaining strength left in Area 11 to form his very own rebellion called the Black Knights. His most powerful warrior is a Japanese-Britannian half blood girl, named Kallen Kozuki, who hates all things Britannian. Along with his army, the Geass, and his tactical genius, Lelouch plans to utterly obliterate the Britannian Empire, that is led by his father; find the truth behind the murder of his mother, and build a new world where Nunnally can live in piece. The only force standing in the way of his dream is Lelouch's childhood friend Suzaku , the son of the former Japanese Prime Minister. He has joined Britannia and is determined to change it from within.
 
The first season did occasionally have some fully exposed breasts and some sexual content. No conveniently placed steam floating around. Though, when the first season aired on the US programming [adult swim], they frequently blurred images of cleavage in some instances. The DVDs, however, are completely unedited.  
 
 

Season 2 - Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 (コードギアス 反逆のルルーシュ R2, Kōde Giasu: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2)

The second season was titled Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2. The first Black Rebellion has failed and Zero was listed as executed. Britannia is as powerful as it ever was. One year has past since then. The Black Knights are either in jail, on the run, or have gained asylum in other nations. Still, Lelouch is back in his life at Ashford Academy with a younger brother named Rolo Lamperouge, but all of this is another lie he has been living. His world and everything he has ever loved was ripped from his mind after Suzaku captured him and turned him other to his own father, Charles di Britannia. In return, Suzaku was granted a position among the elite of the Britannian Army, theKnights of the Round. It's up to C.C. and Kallen to awaken Lelouch the demon to reignite the war and lead the revived Black Knights to victory.

Lelouch had been put out as bait by his father to capture C.C. for some unknown plot. Now, Lelouch not only must lead another rebellion. He also has to hide that his memories have been returned. Nunnally has been taken and replaced with Rolo as a Geass powered watchdog. If he is exposed, it could mean his sister's death. In this new war, Lelouch will drive toward his goal, rebuild the Black Knights larger than ever imagined, discover the truth of his mother's death, and become the true creator and destroyer of worlds. Though, he will pay a steep price for all of it.
 
The second season season aired at an earlier time in Japan than the first season. Due to this change the second season had no real exposed nudity or sexual content. The "R2" in the title stands for "Second Rebellion".  
  

A Third Season or Side Story?

A third anime season was announced, but the details of it are yet unclear and no release date has been given. It's called Code Geass GAIDEN: The Ruined Land of Akito.  

Main Cast 

The cast design for the anime Code Geass was done by the famous design team known as CLAMP.   
  

Lelouch Lamperouge

Lelouch Lamperouge (ルルーシュ・ランペルージ, Ruruushu Ranperuuji) was originally born as Lelouch vi Britannia. The cast away prince of the Britannian Emperor, Charles di Britannia. Both he and his little sister Nunnally were sent away to Japan by their father before the start of the war, and shortly after the assassination of their mother Marianne . Despite being a prince, Lelouch absolutely despises the Empire for how it treats people such as his crippled and blind sister. He is one who was born of royal blood, but hates royalty and nobility.
Though Lelouch is a tactical genius, he is physically weak. Normally, his personality comes off as arrogant and self-righteous to those who first meet him. He has a deep kindness that few experience other than his little sister. 
He is given a mysterious power called Geass. With his natural tactical abilities and this power to command, he creates his own army called the Black Knights and leads them as the masked hero for justice, Zero.
 
In an interview, Goro Taniguchi talked about a desire to to create a different kind of anime protagonist.  More often, the heroes are rather Nietzchean in both body and mind. Though Lelouch may be a tactical genius. His body is physically weak and he's easily exhausted. This is a source of some rather funny moments.
 

C.C.

C.C. (シー・ツー, shii tsuu) is an immortal girl who still appears to be at a young age of six-teen, but has lived for longer than most anyone knows. She has walked through time and always alone. She is the holder of the Code, a kind of human who is granted immortality and the ability to give humans the power called Geass. She was captured in Japan by the Britannian Empire as part of a secret Code R project. She is the one who gave Lelouch the Geass power he uses in his war against Britannia, and works as his accomplice. She frequently guards Lelouch and acts as his shield so that he can live to fulfill his part in their contract. The terms of which are never made clear until about the last third of the second season.
Much of C.C.'s past a mystery, even to herself. Though, she appears to have a connection to Lelouch, before she gave him the Geass; and to his mother Marianne. Frequently, she is seen talking to no one.
   
C.C.'s name is the most commonly misspelled. Since her name is pronounced as if you were actually saying "C-2". She is also a ravenous consumer of pizza. This earned her the fan made nickname of "Pizza Butt".

Kallen Kozuki

Kallen Kozuki (紅 月カレン, kōzuki karen) is an ace Knightmare Frame pilot. Her mother is Japanese, but her father is a Britannian, thus making her a half-blood; but she identifies herself as Japanese above all. She lived as a Japanese girl, before the Japan was conquered, with hermother and elder brother Naoto Kozuki. After the war, her mother gave up her rights to Kallen's father to try and make a better life for her daughter. As Kallen lived under the name Kallen Stadtfeld (カレン・シュタットフェルト, karen shutattoferuto) and attends the prestigious Ashford Academy. Kallen pretends she was a sickly, weak girl in order to draw attention away from herself and to explain her frequent absences. In reality, she secretly worked with Japanese rebels that were originally led by her brother but he was killed. She hates everything Britannian for the death of her brother and how their war destroyed her happy life with her mother. 
As a member of the Black Knights, Kallen is their ace pilot of the powerful Knightmare Frame called the Guren Mk-II and Zero's most loyal follower. Though, she originally didn't know that Lelouch, her fellow classmate, is actually Zero. She discovers at the end of the first season.
 
In the first season. Kallen's journey was mostly about the fulfillment of her brother's dream. The second season had her on a journey of discovering the truth behind Lelouch's character. Due to her rather buxom body. She often serves as some of the major source of fan service shots.

Suzaku Kururugi

Suzaku Kururigi(枢木スザク, kururugi suzaku) is a young Japanese boy who was the son the Japan's Prime Minister, before Britannia conqueror. Now, he is an Honoroary Britannian and fights for them against Japanese rebels on the idea that he can change Britannia from within. When Lelouch and Nunnally were sent to Japan. They lived that the shrine of Suzaku's family. While it wasn't a pleasant first meeting, he eventually became very good friends with Lelouch. Suzaku his at the peak of physical fitness and can perform almost insane levels of acrobatics.
As a member of the Britannian Empire, Suzaku was given the ability to pilot Britannia's most advanced Knightmare Frame called the Lancelot. He quickly proved to be an ace pilot, and fights against the Black Knights, who he sees as terrorist. He is completely unaware that Lelouch is actually their leader, Zero; and Lelouch also doesn't know that Suzaku is the pilot of the Lancelot.
Despite all his claims of working toward justice and changing Britannia. His real goal has been to bring about his own death as a self-imposed punishment for murdering his own father. To prevent Suzaku's suicidal tendencies, Lelouch is forced to cast a Geass on him to force him self to live when he thinks he is near death.

The Geass

Despite the major military power in the series is the Knightmares. The true focus on Code Geassis the power called Geass. Sometimes referred to as the Power of Kings (王の力 , Ō no Chikara). The name is derived from a magical form of contract in Irish mythology called a "geas" or "geis". Through much of the first season, the Geass is never completely explained, and origin is unknown.
This power is always present in the user's eyes, and is acquired by a person who holds the Code. These people are immortals that can survive any form of physical damage and recover. They are identified by the red crescent design that can be found on their bodies. Due to their immortality, they had once been seen as witches many centuries ago. These immortals are granted a natural immunity to all Geass powers.

The form of the Geass power and it's limitations are not uniformed. It more appears that the power of the Geass is dictated by what the user deepest desire is at the time the power is granted.  

Knightmares

The Knightmare Frames (KMF) are the major military power in the Code Geass universe. They were created and developed originally by the Britannian Empire. It was with these automaton tanks that Britannia conquered over two-thirds of the world. The mobility of these mechs is what attributes to their supremacy in warfare.
Unlike the mobile suit Gundams of previous Sunrise productions, where the cockpit was built into the mech. The Knightmare Frames have a cockpit attached to the rear of the robotics. In this way, they are more similar to a remotely controlled tank than a mobile suit. As the Knightmares were developed, a basic design aesthetic becomes more present. The KMFs of Britannia began to look more similar to knights in armor, but the Black Knights began to look more demonic. 

Lancelot vs. Guren Mk-II 

When the series became, all the Knightmares were of rather base design and lacked individuality, other than a varying paint job. As the anime progressed, more and more models were introduced. Though some were mass produced models with minor customized. Later Frames were highly customized and individualized. 
  
Two of the more famous Knightmare Frames are the Lancelot and the Guren Mk-II. The Lancelot is the white knight of the Britannian Army and piloted by Suzaku Kururugi. It was created by Lloyd Asplund and Cecile Croomy. The Guren Mk-II is the first completely Japanese constructed Knightmare Frames and was given to the Black Knights. The pilot is Kallen Kozuki, and it was designed and created by the East-Indian cybernetics specialist, Rakshata Chawla.  Both the Guren and the Lancelot have three advancements in generation throughout both seasons.  

Lancelot 

  • Lancelot
  • Lancelot Conquista
  • Lancelot Albion
 

Guren

  • Guren Mk-II
  • Guren Flight-Enabed
  • Guren S.E.I.T.E.N.

Side Material & Spin-offs 

Picture Dramas 

The picture drama were special materials that were added as bonuses to the DVDs. They are canon material to the series and were still illustrated images that had light animation. They were similar to a motion comic. The voice acting was done by the original cast. They would often fill in gaps between stories and at times add surprising back story to charters. Most were intended to be funny, but a few were rather serious.   

Picture Drama Season 1 
Picture Drama Season 2

Audio Dramas

The audio drama were similar to the picture dramas, but were exclusive to the character CDs. These were audio only CDs where a voice actor for a character would sing a song that reflected on the character's experience in the season. Included were also audio skits in the tracks that were voiced by the cast in a way similar to radio shows. The first season expanded on the canon in the same way the picture dramas did, but the most of the second season was more goofy scenarios and were just for laughs.

Manga 

Several non-canon spin-off mangas were published, but one was more recently announced to be an official story. It's set as a prequel to the original Code Geass story and follows C.C. in Edo period Japan and a youth named Renya
 Nightmare for Nunnally
 Nightmare for Nunnally
-Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion-
Though this series is mostly based on the anime. It does not share much of the canon material and liberties were taken with certain story points. One of the largest difference is the lack of Knightmares for this series.
-Code Geass: Nightmare for Nunnally- 
This has been one of the more popular of the mangs published. It's an original story that is a twist on the story. In this version, Nunnally is given the power of a Geass when she goes out to try and find her brother.
-Code Geass: Suzaku of the Counterattack- 
I never really followed this series since I've never been a big fan of Suzaku. I do know that he plays the role of the major protagonist. The largest changes is that the Lancelot is not a Knightmare, but a suit of armor. Also, the motives for why Suzaku murdered his father were changed to make him appear more heroic.
-Code Geass Tales of the Alternate Shogunate- 
Information on this series is a bit hard to find. Most of what is known is that the story takes place in ancient Japan. The Knightmares in this series are summoned monsters.

Video Games

Several video games have been produced for the Japanese market, but none have been released to the US in any form other than imports.
  • Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion (NDS)
  • Code Geass: Lost Colors (PSP, PS2)
  • Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 Banjou no Geass Gekijou (NDS)
 
I hope this guide was helpful and that you give this series a chance.

-Kristoffer Remmell ( FoxxFireArt) is a freelance graphic artist, writer, and over all mystery geek.-    
ninjadude853on Sept. 24, 2010 at 1:20 p.m.
pretty good guide, but you put in some serious spoilers, like suzaku's back story, or the opening of the second season
Daniel_Newton moderator on Sept. 24, 2010 at 1:57 p.m.
Looks great Fox, I don't have time to read it just now but I'll give it a good look at later, I'm highly likely to get into this series now anyway.
 
I wonder if there's something I could write a guide for...
Dream moderator on Sept. 24, 2010 at 4:28 p.m.
Code Geass- The anime that brought us silly looking character facial expressions, over-the-top melodrama and...
 

sotyfan16on Sept. 24, 2010 at 5:16 p.m.

Man FoxxFireArt, this guide is really long even though the series is quite complicated and runs 2 full seasons. Also, I agree with ninjadude853 that you put in some spoilers that were curveballs when you saw/heard them. Very in-depth work on the characters you brought up but you could have intoduced a few others (ex. Cornelia Li Britannia, Kaname Ohgi, Villetta Nu, or Diethard Ried). You didn't mention any of the big name voice actors either but that's a by-the-by. 

Now..my thoughts on the series. Code Geass is one my top favorite anime series. The series has so much to offer by means of drama, psychological, action, comedy, and fanservice. The animation is solid and I really liked the voice actiing (dub) and storyline (dehumanization is a deep pyschological issue). Code Geass also has a bevy of great and interesting characters. The introduction of the KMFs was great because they provided a whole other style of fighting than Sunrise's Gundams. 

My thoughts on a deeper meaning of the series has to do with how the Holy Britannian Empire is all of North and South America. To me it feels like a play on if the US decided to start taking over the world because we are "evil". Another theory could pan from if WWII didn't happen or the US took the place of Germany and persecuted and dehumanized Japan (with the occassional genocide).

FoxxFireArt moderator is online on Sept. 24, 2010 at 11:35 p.m.
@Dream:
 This kind of thing wont happen in Code Geass.
 This kind of thing wont happen in Code Geass.
How many anime series don't have silly expressions? Fullmetal Alchemist had chibi and other deformities of charcters. Code Geass never went that far.
 
What's wrong with melodrama? I would hardly call it over-the-top.
 

@ninjadude853:

 

@sotyfan16:


I'll contest the spoilers. It's not out of the question to list a characters back story, and it's hardly his biggest motivation. He did have much larger motivations for his actions. More so after the first season.
It's also not uncalled for to mention how the first Black Rebellion failed since there was a second season. It's information you can find on nearly any description of the two seasons.
 
I would of liked to of talked about more characters, but as I was writing and trying to link things. I started to get this script error warning every time I added a link. I was worried I would lose hours of writing. Perhaps I should of submitted this in parts in place of in one lump sum.
CharredKnighton Sept. 25, 2010 at 5:24 a.m.
@FoxxFireArt:
The Difference is that FMA gives Ed a silly face after his called short, Code Geass gives Lelouch a silly face after he blows up Tokyo.  Simply put Code Geass is the anime equivalent of Battlefield Earth and All Star Batman and Robin, a show that's so poorly written, but at the same time so insane that you can't believe it exist.  I mean where the hell was anyone to tell the Director and Writer that having a character hump a table might not be exactly all that dramatic. 
 
Why did no one tell Okouchi and Taniguchi that they need to make clear whats happening instead of constantly needing to have the guide clear everytning up. 
 
They try to do what Renessaince did with Hercules and Xena and constantly had campy gag episode, but the gag episodes wouldn't mesh with the story of genocide that they where constantly including. Xena and Hercules serious storylines never included genocide.   
 
Also theirs some really horrific dialogue like a genocidal madwoman being called a good person.
Catolfon Sept. 25, 2010 at 4:19 p.m.
 @CharredKnight: I don't see how everyone jumps that Code Geass was poorly written, I understood what was going on, I loved the dialog between the characters, I didn't find anything poorly written within the series.
 
There was a part when Lulouch and his dad were having a showdown I had to go back once to make sure I got it, other than that, I was fine.  As far as the gags, they were a relief from all the drama and gave you a moment from being on the edge of your seat to sit back and just go with the flow. And they were funny, so awesome.
 
FMA: Brotherhood seems to go out of the way for gags and it kinda sucks..
 
As far as the funny face, well, if you were trying to fight for freedom, you knew a few eggs had to be cracked to do so, how would you feel? Lulouch coped with it all the way he knew how.. i don't see how thats absurd when you think about it.
Roldanon Sept. 25, 2010 at 5:02 p.m.
i liked this anime more when it was called Gundam Seed.. oh and when it had more then one more interesting character.
Catolfon Sept. 25, 2010 at 5:28 p.m.
@Roldan said:
" i liked this anime more when it was called Gundam Seed.. oh and when it had more then one more interesting character. "
Gundam Seed was Horribad..
And Code Geass has plenty of interesting characters, Especially Viletta Nu and Orange-kun XD
Roldanon Sept. 25, 2010 at 5:44 p.m.
@Catolf said:
" @Roldan said:
" i liked this anime more when it was called Gundam Seed.. oh and when it had more then one more interesting character. "
Gundam Seed was Horribad.. And Code Geass has plenty of interesting characters, Especially Viletta Nu and Orange-kun XD "
lol, shows how much brain you got. Code Geass is like a 5-year olds interpetation of Gundam Seed. Take out all the great characterization and interesting racism debate and throw in some over-the-top characters and melodrama. we don't need interesting villains and dilemmas who's really the bad guy  when our robots can get upgrade every five minutes. yeah i'm not gonna say anymore because I'm sure some fanboy or fangirl will try to prove me wrong even though they know i am right :]..
Catolfon Sept. 25, 2010 at 7:01 p.m.
@Roldan said:
" @Catolf said:
" @Roldan said:
" i liked this anime more when it was called Gundam Seed.. oh and when it had more then one more interesting character. "
Gundam Seed was Horribad.. And Code Geass has plenty of interesting characters, Especially Viletta Nu and Orange-kun XD "
lol, shows how much brain you got. Code Geass is like a 5-year olds interpetation of Gundam Seed. Take out all the great characterization and interesting racism debate and throw in some over-the-top characters and melodrama. we don't need interesting villains and dilemmas who's really the bad guy  when our robots can get upgrade every five minutes. yeah i'm not gonna say anymore because I'm sure some fanboy or fangirl will try to prove me wrong even though they know i am right :].. "
Oh.. Wow..
 
Pump your breaks.
 
Just wow.
 
I'm going to take a moment and collect my thoughts here. Mostly because the pissed offness of you 'politely' calling me stupid kinda rubs me the wrong way. So.. Now that i've collected my thoughts, let's keep things civil, Sir and or Madam. 
 
Everyone is entitled to have opinions, if you liked Gundam Seed, then I apologize for coming off as a person whom was just criticizing to criticize. That isn't my aim. I personally didn't like Gundam Seed, and I've loved a lot of the Gundam franchise, Seed for me, was bad. The characters didn't seem to mesh together and the story was hit or miss for me.. Now Gundam 00 was great ont he other hand.
 
Also, I'm not sure what you were going with in the bold, so I'll just stare at you and move on because I am unsure if you've just strangly PRAISED Code Geass, or slapped down Seed.
 
And for below, Code Geass mechs did not upgrade every five minutes if that is what your getting at? This isn't power Rangers.
 
I will say that you are very full of yourself and declared yourself right on a opinion. My opinion was Seed was bad for me, your's is Code Geass is bad for you, and only good for 5 year olds and that your right and anything I say won't disprove this. Thats fine and dandy if you think that way, but I do believe your mistaken.
Dream moderator on Sept. 26, 2010 at 12:15 a.m.
@FoxxFireArt:  Code Geass R2 is quite infamous for having dramatic moments ruined by overdramatizing and facial expressions that looked like the characters were in a comedy anime (which I had a hoot with for one of my videos with Lelouch's reaction to the FLEJIA bombing). It even has its own section on TV Tropes that lists every moment of Narm thought up about the franchise in its entirety.
 
And for the not so trope knowledgeable, narm's where a moment within a TV show or movie is supposed to be dramatic but due to sloppy writing or acting (or drawn in the case of animation), the scene looks more funny than serious.
Roldanon Sept. 26, 2010 at 5:18 a.m.
@Catolf said:

" @Roldan said:

" @Catolf said:
" @Roldan said:
" i liked this anime more when it was called Gundam Seed.. oh and when it had more then one more interesting character. "
Gundam Seed was Horribad.. And Code Geass has plenty of interesting characters, Especially Viletta Nu and Orange-kun XD "
lol, shows how much brain you got. Code Geass is like a 5-year olds interpetation of Gundam Seed. Take out all the great characterization and interesting racism debate and throw in some over-the-top characters and melodrama. we don't need interesting villains and dilemmas who's really the bad guy  when our robots can get upgrade every five minutes. yeah i'm not gonna say anymore because I'm sure some fanboy or fangirl will try to prove me wrong even though they know i am right :].. "
Oh.. Wow..  Pump your breaks.  Just wow.  I'm going to take a moment and collect my thoughts here. Mostly because the pissed offness of you 'politely' calling me stupid kinda rubs me the wrong way. So.. Now that i've collected my thoughts, let's keep things civil, Sir and or Madam.   Everyone is entitled to have opinions, if you liked Gundam Seed, then I apologize for coming off as a person whom was just criticizing to criticize. That isn't my aim. I personally didn't like Gundam Seed, and I've loved a lot of the Gundam franchise, Seed for me, was bad. The characters didn't seem to mesh together and the story was hit or miss for me.. Now Gundam 00 was great ont he other hand.  Also, I'm not sure what you were going with in the bold, so I'll just stare at you and move on because I am unsure if you've just strangly PRAISED Code Geass, or slapped down Seed.  And for below, Code Geass mechs did not upgrade every five minutes if that is what your getting at? This isn't power Rangers.  I will say that you are very full of yourself and declared yourself right on a opinion. My opinion was Seed was bad for me, your's is Code Geass is bad for you, and only good for 5 year olds and that your right and anything I say won't disprove this. Thats fine and dandy if you think that way, but I do believe your mistaken. "
lol, whatever. It's still a overhyped franchise much like most mainstream anime where it favored over-the-top characters and story over good writing and storytelling. funny that you talk about seed's story when the similarities are pretty big except  the director tried to make it grander. i used to like code geass but i've seen it twice now and and i ended up asking why and how? i'm not saying you shouldn't like it, of course you can. Sorry if i insulted you but i just tried to voice my opinion. Also i didn't mind Gundam 00 but it still never became better Seed mostly because of it's sloppy 2nd season. Talk about a letdown that season was.

sotyfan16on Sept. 26, 2010 at 3:10 p.m.

I'm really surprised about the dislike for Code Geass here. I don't see where people think the writing and story are bad when you have numerous plot twists, memorable characters, and more action than you can shake a stick at. I'm not getting where Code Geass has its own "facial expression" as I think the characters faces show sheer shock, disgust, and helplessness. I also think a number of the voice actors (dub) did a great job getting their characters' emotions to come to life. I'll take this series over any Gundam (even my personal favorite, Gundam Wing) anytime.

FoxxFireArt moderator is online on Sept. 26, 2010 at 5:11 p.m.
@sotyfan16: 
I don't see why melodrama is a bad thing. Code Geass is packed with interesting characters and the themes of the story were telling. So what if now and again someone was looking odd. They were normally reacting to something extreme. It's not as if it happened in every episode.
 
I really don't see at all where it's poorly written. Just because he's not similar to Kishimoto and writing fighter scene after fight scene. Pretty much every character in Code Geass changes and develops in some way.

For many of the dubbed voiced did a descent job. What ruined it for me was that Bosch was totally wrong for Lelouch. Though Bosch has done some stellar work in other series. He played Lelouch too "every man" protagonist. Bosch just felt more as if he was just reading the lines and not feeling them.
CharredKnighton Sept. 26, 2010 at 5:32 p.m.
@sotyfan16:
It  takes more than that to make a good anime, the plot twist are either quickly resolved, or are incredibly stupid to began with like Lelouch turning Euphema into a mass murderer due to a 1 in a billion chance.  The show's treatment of genocide is frankly disturbing as it's just written off like if you feel bad for what you did that's enough, atonement for one's past is not needed.  Nina built a bomb that killed millions of people all so she could commit genocide against the Japanese, the fact that she felt bad after the fact doesn't make it better.   
 
The character development is awful with most of the  characters either simply changing personalities (Cornelia, Nina, and Jeremiah) or never actually changing (most of the supporting characters).  Only the main characters are actually developed and Suzaku's personality changes constantly depending on what they need him to say. 
 
The action while well animated isn't enough to make this show good, especially in the second season as the show simply becomes a really bad gundam show because it removed the ground combat that made the show unique.
 
Code Geass is one of the worst anime made in the past decade, it's morally bankrupt, incredibly stupid, and the highlight of the series is unintentionally hilarious scenes like the face Lelouch makes after he accidently blows up .
 
sotyfan16on Sept. 26, 2010 at 7:44 p.m.
@CharredKnight: 
I'll simply say that is your opinion. I support; you're against. Gundam really isn't the end all be all as nothing is. Oh, and thanks for including SO MANY SPOILERS wIthout putting them in Spoiler tags!!
 
@FoxxFireArt:

I'm wasn't saying anything negative about the series in terms of characters, writing, or drama. I may not have made myself clear but I was trying to show support. Personally, Bosch as Lelouch was my favorite.
FoxxFireArt moderator is online on Sept. 26, 2010 at 8:13 p.m.
@sotyfan16:  
I wasn't saying you were against the series.

Bosch was just missing the intent behind Lelouch. He sounded too much like a classic protagonist and Bosch wasn't good in the parts of giving the grand speeches. There was no power behind his voice. I didn't feel he believed what he was saying. 
His Lelouch sounded far too close to his Ichigo. If you don't know Japanese, it's hard to notice a particular detail. When Lelouch was speaking as Zero. His manner of talking changed. He was speaking far more formally.
 
Everything about Lelouch says villain type character, in both design and voice. Even Jun Fukuyama said he wasn't used to voicing a character that deep. Though, his heart and intent is what made him the hero.
sotyfan16on Sept. 26, 2010 at 8:41 p.m.
@FoxxFireArt:
Emphasis in Japanese is difficult to say let alone understand, I agree. There are certain voice differences between Lelouch and Ichigo but I can see your point. However, I still stand by my statement that his voice worked for the character. 

I never saw Lelouch as a villian (just as I mostly felt Light wasn't a villian) because while he was doing bad things he never lost sight of his goal to make good in the end. Lelouch faced many situations and went through a few changes so I can see how his depth would make it difficult to fully him to life.
CharredKnighton Sept. 26, 2010 at 11:36 p.m.
@sotyfan16:
Overall most Gundams are better than average anime, with G Gundam, Turn A Gundam, and Gundam 0080 being standout anime.  Now I would say that even the best gundam has better mecha series such as Giant Robo, but even the worst Gundam is far better than Code Geass.  It's a legitimately awful anime, that can only be described as the Battlefield Earth of anime.   I mean what was Tangichi and Okouchi thinking when they decided to have characters pretend that Chess makes you a genius strategist.

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The Britannian Empire swept across the world and conquered the nation of Japan. Seven years later in the Tokyo settlement, a Britannian youth named Lelouch is granted the power of Geass and aims to crush Britannia with the strength left in Japan, but his friend Suzaku stands in his way.

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