What the F@#$ Did I Just Watch?! Episode #14

Topic started by Tom_Pinchuk on April 29, 2010. Last post by OmegaChosen 2 years ago.
Post by Tom_Pinchuk (729 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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 There it is.
 There it is.

You know, ReVolutionOfEvangelion and others were warning me about this being a clip show, but it really wasn’t that much of a letdown. I actually needed a review of the series because there were a lot of details I missed the first time around, like the names of the angels and how the battle with the one angel that introduced Asuka - - the one in the ocean - - took place over the sunken ruins of a city. So many details of Eva’s world whiz by before you really get to digest them. I also liked the strange Kubrick-esque quality to the montage of title cards for the first half of this. It put a monolithic, almost clinical perspective on all the action, injecting the same kind of underlying sense of off-kilter menace you’d see in THE SHINING or 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY. So if this was just a matter of dealing with budget cuts, then Gainax definitely found a creative way to spin it, making it seem like a review presentation by NERV’s clandestine cabal.

Actually, the whole hallucination sequence in Rei’s head had a Kubrick quality, too. I suppose the Gainax guys must have watched the Criterion Box Set right before they plotted this episode out. Again, I like how convincingly Rei’s issues are being portrayed. Yeah yeah… there’s always creative license, but as much I liked the show FIREFLY, for example, I often felt the character River was often played too cute and charming for a dangerous autistic. Rei isn’t cute - - although, judging by all the fan art and bikini figurines, I know that a lot of you disagree with me. What I mean is that this show plays her maladjustment as awkwardly and uncomfortably as it would be in real life, and that’s something I appreciate. I’m getting what people were saying from the beginning about how Eva’s so appealing because it puts such damaged people into the archetypal mecha scenario.

Now, the overall conspiracy is rearing its head with the Lance of Longius, that familiar item of Gnostic occultism. Gainax might not be trying to make a point with all these religious allusions, but there’s NO WAY they can continue to play dumb about its inclusion. I’m sure that lance is going to factor into destroying one of the unstoppable angels, eventually.

-- Tom Pinchuk is the writer of UNIMAGINABLE for Arcana Comics and HYBRID BASTARDS! for Archaia. Pre-order the HYBRID BASTARDS! hardcover now on Amazon.com.

Post by hitsusatsu11 (9,387 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Rei's dialogue is always brilliant. Especially 'Rei's poem" definitely shows her multi -layer  persona, one of the reasons i think gainax and Anno have created some of the best characters in all of anime. 
 
The Lance of Longinus (named after the spear that supposedly pierced Christ on the cross) is bad ass, and as you can probably tell shit is about to hit the fan. Gainax is setting up the mind blowing experiences in the latter episodes and EoE quite nicely.
Post by constanzadellarosa (234 posts) See mini bio Level 15
You don't know how important the flow of consciousness is to this series. You have seen the tip of the iceberg in that subject.
Post by OmegaChosen (43 posts) See mini bio Level 6
I also enjoyed the clip show in this episode, but I'm not one to randomly get furious just because they're reusing footage from past episodes. I also find it refreshing they go over stuff from past episodes that you might missed the first time. Sure, it may seem a bit pretentious to someone who's seen the episodes over and over and knows everything about them but to the first time watcher it's a welcome reprieve.
 
I've never found Rei cute, mainly because it's a little eerie to see her smile. It just...doesn't fit her. It's uncomfortable.
 
And yes, the Lance is important but it's a giant lance big enough for an Eva that's called the Lance of Longinus. That's a pretty big stick to just be thrown in casually. : D Also, the religious allusions do make sense in the series, at least in a pseudo-acid trip-and-mushroom-overdose-kind of way.
Post by ReVolutionOfEvangelion (102 posts) See mini bio Level 3
Yes, the "Lance of Longinus" is one of the "religious symbols" included in the series: AND Gainax insists that they just threw it in haphazardly to "look cool"
 
How could it be the spear that pierced Christ, when its *40 meters long?*
 
" So if this was just a matter of dealing with budget cuts, then Gainax definitely found a creative way to spin it, making it seem like a review presentation by NERV’s clandestine cabal. "
 
The Kubrick shout-outs only increase, you have no idea.  These people obviously watched 2001: A Space Odyssey...BUT...and this I strongly urge:  before you watch episode 16,  you NEED to watch the Russian equivalent of 2001..."Solaris" -- the 1970's Russian version, not the awful remake by Clooney.  A lot of stuff in episode 16 seems almost taken out of it (an Angel tries to contact Shinji's mind, but its so..."alien" that it has difficulty actually communicating, and at best, it "communicates" by acting as a mirror, reflecting Shinji's strongest, defining memories back at him...NOT realizing, that our strongest memories tend to be our most traumatic.  There's running debate over whether it was trying to attack him, or simply "communicate" and didn't understand that this was traumatic for him)
 

YES, this will become *THE* defining characteristic of the second half of the series:  "Necessity is the mother of Invention" -- you can tell the budget was dropping, but they were just *SO* clever, that they kept finding artful ways to work around it, doing more with less.
 
***NOTICE that we only ever hear what the "Angel-names" of the Angels are (Sachiel, etc.) when *Seele* calls them that in a review.  So are they inherently called "Sachiel" or "Ramiel"?  Are they inherently called "Angels"?  In episode 11, Shinji openly wondered why they call them that.  ****OR, is it that Seele are a crazy Illuminati/Free Mason -like religious cult, who just like to call things religious terms?
 
Seele is basically the Eva version of the Aum Shinrikyo cult (the crazies that bombed the Tokyo subway with sarin gas a matter of months before the series aired)
 
***Something to watch for:  in a later episode (#20), Rei strongly implies that she doesn't physically have "dreams".  Rei doesn't dream.  So what the HECK was her hallucination in this episode?  Was it Eva-01's mind trying to contact her?
 
****And pay close attention to what Shinji said when he synched with Eva-00;  "It's Rei! Wait, no, or is it?"
 
Still, you're right;  the "off-kilter menace in the background" is the hint that ***all of the events of the series are actually proceeding as Seele planned***
 
Mark my words:  its like in Return of the Jedi when Vader tells Palpatine "a rebel strike team has landed on the sanctuary moon"....and Palpatine calmly notes that it has happened, and takes NO action....because its all part of his master plan, because he's luring the rebels into a trap.
 
So this was Seele calmly noting that "All of this is proceeding according to plan..."
 
***Note:  some people get annoyed that "They introduced the Lance of Longinus too abruptly!" -- go back to episode 12, and notice that its actually introduced then:  lashed to the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, wrapped in tarmac.  It's why they went to Antarctica in that episode; they were retrieving the Lance. 
Post by hitsusatsu11 (9,387 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReVolutionOfEvangelion:  kubrick is an amazing director-dr. strangelove, lolita, 2001,  all classics.  It would follow that great minds think alike (Anno and Kubrick) 
 
Also I believe the Japanese term used for the "angels" is more closely translated as "apostles" , we only know that there called angels by the text on screen, which Gainax confirms (similar to Shin Seiki, literally new century, officially  turning to "Neon Genesis")
Post by OmegaChosen (43 posts) See mini bio Level 6
@ReV:  Your post hurts my head. >_> Too many stars and quotes. It's difficult to read. You do seem to be mentioning stuff that happens in later episodes again though. Personally, I'd rather talk about later episodes and what they allude to when we get to them, not now. But I can't do anything to stop you from talking about later episodes and how they contradict/reference past episodes aside from asking you to try to not mention them as much. I mean, it's not bad to talk about later stuff, I just kind of want Tom to go into this entirely fresh rather than have him be expecting something when he gets to certain episodes. :/ That's just me though.
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