Couple questions (just finished the series so spoilers)

Topic started by msavo on Feb. 26, 2011. Last post by msavo 3 years, 9 months ago.
Post by msavo (37 posts) See mini bio Level 7
So I finished the series today, including End Of Evangelion, and I just have a few questions that need clarifying.  
 
1. I'm an idiot and basically forgot what caused Second Impact, can someone sum up the events that caused it?  
2. I know Gendo wanted to cause Third Impact but what was so different between his and Seele's Third Impact? Was is something to do with Gendo wanting to be with Yui? 
3. Who killed Kaji? 
4. Was there any significance for Asuka saying, "How disgusting..." at the end of EOE?  
5. Who's soul was bonded to Unit 00? 
6. Can someone explain the ending of the series to me? People have told me that the end of the series is what's going on in Shinji's mind and EOE is what's going on in reality but I'm confused???
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,379 posts) See mini bio Level 21
@re_player92:  
I'll answer your last question for you, there is nobody (only the creator of EOE) on this planet who know what happen at the end. Fans believe they understand, but not really
Post by msavo (37 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@Destinyheroknight said:
" @re_player92:  I'll answer your last question for you, there is nobody (only the creator of EOE) on this planet who know what happen at the end. Fans believe they understand, but not really "
In EOE didn't Shinji reject instrumentality causing Rey/Lilith to be destroyed and avoid a Third Impact? Everyone's soul is still in the LCL state and Shinji's mom tells him they can come back whenever they want so that is why Asuka is there at the end. Btw this is just what I got from the ending I could be 150% wrong :P 
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,379 posts) See mini bio Level 21
@re_player92:  
I guess, I still don't really understand it myself.  
Post by EquitasInvictus (332 posts) See mini bio Level 15
@re_player92 said:
" So I finished the series today, including End Of Evangelion, and I just have a few questions that need clarifying.   1. I'm an idiot and basically forgot what caused Second Impact, can someone sum up the events that caused it?  2. I know Gendo wanted to cause Third Impact but what was so different between his and Seele's Third Impact? Was is something to do with Gendo wanting to be with Yui? 3. Who killed Kaji? 4. Was there any significance for Asuka saying, "How disgusting..." at the end of EOE?  5. Who's soul was bonded to Unit 00? 6. Can someone explain the ending of the series to me? People have told me that the end of the series is what's going on in Shinji's mind and EOE is what's going on in reality but I'm confused??? "    
 
Its been a while, but I think I'll be able to accurately answer most of these questions. I'll try to distinguish what is explicitly factual and what is just speculation: 
  
1. The Second Impact was the result of experiments on the First Angel, Adam, going horribly wrong in the South Pole causing a catastrophic release of energy. Essentially they were conducting experiments on Adam in hopes of minimizing the damage sustained by future angels, but the experiments backfired.
 
2. Gendo had personal reasons for bringing about the Third Impact: he wanted to reunite with his wife, Yui, since her soul was stuck inside EVA-01. In order to accomplish that, he was going to use Rei, Lilith and Adam in a process that would have been drastically different than what Seele actually intended - Seele wanted straight-up Human Instrumentality (turning everyone into that pool of LCL as in the End of Evangelion, making all of humanity  "one") and Gendo's divergence would've hindered the full realization of Seele's intentions. (For instance, once Gendo reunited with Yui it is possible that he did wasn't actually going to continue Human Instrumentality. We don't really know exactly since he is unable to fully realize his own goals because Seele decides to take matters into their own hands by the end.) 
 
3. Kaji was likely killed by someone he knew from Seele. Despite being subordinate to them, Kaji wasn't necessarily doing them much good (due to his personal relationships and interactions with people at Nerv), so they wasted him with the rest of Nerv as by that point of time he practically served his purpose of being a sort of liaison to Nerv on behalf of Seele. 
 
4. I think this had to do with their whole rejection of instrumentality causing them to become aware of each other's actions and thoughts to a degree - if you remember from earlier in the film, a stressed Shinji was implied to have pleased himself over Asuka's comatose body. Asuka probably caught a glimpse of it or learned of it while they were both temporarily exposed to instrumentality which would have allowed them to know a lot of personal details about each other. Her being aware of him doing that stuff while she was in a coma would have justified her reaction and comment "How disgusting" at the end of the film actually being directed towards Shinji's previous actions and not only the situation they were in.  
 
5. Unfortunately it is never actually made explicit whether or not Unit-00 possessed a soul. There is speculation, however, that because of how Unit-00 goes berserk and attempts to attack Gendo and Rei earlier in the series, Unit-00 possibly contained the soul of Naoko Akagi, a  researcher who had feelings for Gendo but ended up getting used by him in his fixation on his dead wife.  
 
6. What people told you is half-accurate and half-speculation. The reason I say this is because the TV series ending is pretty ambiguous. 
 
One interpretation of everyone saying "Congratulations!" to Shinji was that by the end of the TV series he actually accepts instrumentality and becomes one with the rest of humanity. The breaking of the walls in the scene prior can be interpreted to be analogous with his AT Field, which being broken down would have implied that he accepted instrumentality outright.  
 
The thing is, The End of Evangelion shows him explicitly rejecting instrumentality (which is why he and Asuka are left at the very end while everyone else is reduced to that pool of LCL).  
 
So the explicit, End of Evangelion ending is essentially the whole world going through instrumentality and becoming one by being reduced to a pool of LCL except for Shinji and Asuka, who psychologically rejected it and are spared from joining everyone else in the LCL pool. The ambiguous part is whether the TV ending is an alternate ending in which they actually share the fate of the rest of humanity or is, as others have suggested to you, just the psychological perspective of them rejecting it.   
 
Hopefully my answers are insightful for you!
Post by sickVisionz (4,309 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@re_player92:  It's been a while but I'll try to pull what I remember. 
 
1. I think it was an experiment on the big white thing pinned up (I think Lilith) that went horribly horribly awry. 
2. Gendo wanted to do it with him taking the role that Shinji played and having the ability to reshape the world as he saw fit.  I can't say for certain, but I imagine SEELE wanted to play that role and shape it as they saw fit. 
3. I don't have a concrete clue but I always figured it was someone from SEELE or one of the super higher ups in NERV. 
4. Pure speculation but I figured it was because Shinji had been given God like command of the planet during whatever happened but he was still crying and all of that. 
5. No clue. 
6.  That's what I've been told but both of them don't really have any grounding in reality and the one that's supposed be what happened on Earth seems more fantastical and metaphorical than the ending that took place in his head. 
 
The actual plot of Eva was kinda goofy and a bit nonsensical for me and most of my enjoyment from it was by ignoring everything that I didn't get (mainly just EoE) and focusing on what I did enjoy: the action scenes, the emotional stress/growth/trauma that the kids go through as pilots and Shinji's strained relationship with his Dad.  The whole angels are failed version of mankind and Evas have the dead souls of the pilot's mother implanted in them was gobbledygook for me. 
Post by msavo (37 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@EquitasInvictus: Thanks you've really cleared up a lot of things. Now I can go on with my life and not worry about Evangelion... o wait they are making new movies...fuckkkkkk :P 
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