Who do you think is Tobi?

Topic started by Hameyadea on Oct. 19, 2011. Last post by Newdeath 3 years, 1 month ago.
Post by Hameyadea (41 posts) See mini bio Level 13

I'm sure that many of you didn't see the plot twist of Chapter 559 coming (many thought that Izuna was in the mysterious coffin, and not Madara), and after seeing Chapter 560 the mystery shroud only thickens.

At first, Obito came to mind, however there were still too many questions to even make him remotely-possible - How could he know as much about Madara as he does? How does he knows about the Sage of Six Paths and the Ten-Tailed Beast? From where he knows Nagato and "motivated" him to create the Akatsuki (according to Tobi's claims)? How he acquired Hashirama's DNA?

So how about Madara's brother, Izuna? He knows Madara's history, at the same age as Madara, said to be nearly as strong as his brother, and it seems reasonable to have the motives to destroy the Leaf Village and pacify the world (mainly the Uchiha/Senju struggle). However, given the actions to the resurrected Madara is Chapter 560, it's no longer seems feasible to think that Tobi is Izuna. The resurrected Madara has the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, which would require the real Madara to implant Izuna's eyes, which would leave Tobi (assuming that he's Izuna) blind (there's the possibility that Izuna transplanted other eyes but that seems a bit far-fetched). Moreover, Madara the "switch" between "eye-modes" (Sharingan -> Eternal -> Rinnegan) whilst Tobi was only seen with the regular mature Sharingan, and transplanted Nagato's Rinnegan instead of "evolving" his Sharingans.

I see two strong possibilities (and many more less-then-strong ones):

A. Tobi is from the Uchiha clan, with close enough relations to Madara and/or Izuna prior to their deaths.

B. Tobi is NOT from the Uchiha clan, but still somehow knew about Madara's past activities (I'm more inclined to this option)

Further more, Tobi can use Izanagi which require both Uchiha and Senju DNA, and seeing how Danzō was have to utilize Izanagi despite not being an Uchiha, and Tobi "bleeds" white substance (like Zetsu) and can replace/regenerate lost limbs raise the possibility of the second option. Also, Tobi never seen using EMS, keeps a lot of replacement Sharingans, needed an outside source for the Rinnegan instead of "evolving" his own's, the resurrected Madara (I'm not sure if using "real" Madara would fit, considering how every is jacked at this time) somehow knows about Kabuto and Tobi, was surprised that they managed to read the Uchiha Tablet (a feat associated only for the Uchiha), knew about Nagato and his Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique.

Then again, we're only (as of this posting) 2 chapters into the twist, and the content of this post would become obsolete, either by being correct, completely off, or any other in-between. Post your thoughts!

Post by Levance (1,846 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Three facts.

One Tobi has a mask, that means that he wants to hide his real self, so it is someone who had already appeared.

Two, at first I believed that he may be Shisui due to his knowledge of the Uchiha massacre, but he cannot be either Shisui or Obito, as Tobi was the one who give the Rinnegan to Nagato and fighted with the fourth hokage, so the guy is old.

Three, we all know that Itachi salughtered the Uchiha clan with Tobi's help, so he may be an Uchiha.

Theory: Tobi may be Shisui or Obito only if the the previous Tobi was a different one, and the one from now is a new Tobi, however this is a theory based only in assumptions and has no base.

Another theory, Tobi can do the same thing that Orochimaru to change bodies, so he may be someon who took the body of Obito.

Post by Hameyadea (41 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Levance said:

Three facts.

One Tobi has a mask, that means that he wants to hide his real self, so it is someone who had already appeared.

Two, at first I believed that he may be Shisui due to his knowledge of the Uchiha massacre, but he cannot be either Shisui or Obito, as Tobi was the one who give the Rinnegan to Nagato and fighted with the fourth hokage, so the guy is old.

Three, we all know that Itachi salughtered the Uchiha clan with Tobi's help, so he may be an Uchiha.

Theory: Tobi may be Shisui or Obito only if the the previous Tobi was a different one, and the one from now is a new Tobi, however this is a theory based only in assumptions and has no base.

Another theory, Tobi can do the same thing that Orochimaru to change bodies, so he may be someon who took the body of Obito.

On the one hand, I want for Kishimoto to explain the mystery, on the other, that shit can last for at least 10 more chapter (at the bare minimum) and up to whatever.

Post by sickVisionz (4,310 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@Levance said:

Another theory, Tobi can do the same thing that Orochimaru to change bodies, so he may be someon who took the body of Obito.

I can't see it being Obito, at least not like that. The Uchiha were alive and well when Obito died. Of all the bodies to take, why take the crushed body of a child who was missing an eye and never really showed any above average prowess with the sharingan. Even if Tobi's plan needed an average quality Uchiha child, why take one with a half-crushed body?

I've got no clue who Tobi is though. My only theory, is that Madara couldn't beat the 1st Hokage or show the world that the Uchiha are god-leve but never wanted to give up trying. He knew it'd take more than a lifetime to figure out how to accomplish this and he didn't want to finally figure it out only to be stuck in a old and dying body. So, he split himself in two (similar to Muu) and murdered the "real" half to preserve it in it's current physical state. The clone half is Tobi and he's been researching and scheming all of this time to get better with the hopes of eventually resurrecting his young corpse via Impure World and remerging with it.

The benefits would be that

  • Impure World zombies are indestructible, which has an obvious plus. Additionally, the body of a normal adult may not be able to handle having the Jyuubi put into it (part of the Moon Eye plan), but an indestructible body might
  • His zombie corpse is his physical body at it's prime with all of the bells and whistles, not a decaying old man body.
  • He'll get to keep all of the knowledge and abilities that he's learned in the meantime. Zombie Madara seems to only be able to use either the Sharingan or Rinnegan at once but Tobi can have one eye with Rinnegan and one with EM Sharingan. Maybe that's an example of a new skill he's learned. There's also intangibility, which zombie Madara hasn't shown yet but Tobi uses all the time during fights.
  • He'd be combining multiple pairs of Rinnegan and EM Sharingan, which might unlock something even stronger.

That's my theory.

Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

It could be a Zetsu clone of Madara. When Tobi lost an arm, he was bleeding a white Zetsu-like substance.

I've seen others suggest that Tobi might still be Madara or half of Madara using a different body as a vessel.

Tobi could also be a non-Uchiha, someone who's been manipulating the Uchiha for a long time.

Kagami Uchiha is a good option considering that would explain his age and why he wanted Danzo dead so eagerly since he probably would have discovered his identity.

Anyway, I think it should have been fairly clear that Tobi wasn't Madara from the beginning. If he was Madara, he would have had no reason to wear that mask after revealing his supposed identity, he would have nothing else to hide. Not to mention that Zetsu still kept on calling him "Tobi".

ND

Post by Levance (1,846 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Are you forgotting that the revived Madara that recently appeared had no fucking idea of what was going on.

Post by Sreenivas (41 posts) See mini bio Level 10

No idea

Post by MrASSH0LE (2,333 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Tobi is Hashirama

Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

@MrASSH0LE said:

Tobi is Hashirama

I severely doubt it unless Hashirama found a way to return from being sealed by Hiruzen.

ND

Post by Hameyadea (41 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@sickVisionz said:

@Levance said:

Another theory, Tobi can do the same thing that Orochimaru to change bodies, so he may be someon who took the body of Obito.

I can't see it being Obito, at least not like that. The Uchiha were alive and well when Obito died. Of all the bodies to take, why take the crushed body of a child who was missing an eye and never really showed any above average prowess with the sharingan. Even if Tobi's plan needed an average quality Uchiha child, why take one with a half-crushed body?

I've got no clue who Tobi is though. My only theory, is that Madara couldn't beat the 1st Hokage or show the world that the Uchiha are god-leve but never wanted to give up trying. He knew it'd take more than a lifetime to figure out how to accomplish this and he didn't want to finally figure it out only to be stuck in a old and dying body. So, he split himself in two (similar to Muu) and murdered the "real" half to preserve it in it's current physical state. The clone half is Tobi and he's been researching and scheming all of this time to get better with the hopes of eventually resurrecting his young corpse via Impure World and remerging with it.

The benefits would be that

  • Impure World zombies are indestructible, which has an obvious plus. Additionally, the body of a normal adult may not be able to handle having the Jyuubi put into it (part of the Moon Eye plan), but an indestructible body might
  • His zombie corpse is his physical body at it's prime with all of the bells and whistles, not a decaying old man body.
  • He'll get to keep all of the knowledge and abilities that he's learned in the meantime. Zombie Madara seems to only be able to use either the Sharingan or Rinnegan at once but Tobi can have one eye with Rinnegan and one with EM Sharingan. Maybe that's an example of a new skill he's learned. There's also intangibility, which zombie Madara hasn't shown yet but Tobi uses all the time during fights.
  • He'd be combining multiple pairs of Rinnegan and EM Sharingan, which might unlock something even stronger.

That's my theory.

So maybe Madara created a Zetsu-like clone of himself, instead of splitting like Mū, so the clone would kill the real one to preserve the youthfulness of the body and then revive him via Samsara (the original plan), but Tobi had to use Impure World Resurrection due to Nagato's death and the passage of too much time. Or it's more like Yamato, a person imbued with Madara's powers, by Madara himself, in order to control the Ten-Tailed Beast.

Some relaxing tea can really make you re-think! Cheers.

Post by Levance (1,846 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Hameyadea:A mistake; Madara had no fucking idea of what was going on

Post by Hameyadea (41 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Levance: He knew about Nagato, the Samsara technique, Kabuto and whoever is Tobi. What Madara didn't know was that the players were in different positions (Nagato dead, resurrected with Impure World instead of revived with Samsara, Kabuto is a top player).

Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

@Hameyadea: I think Tobi's identity will be revealed in maybe ten chapters or maybe Kishi will keep us guessing for even longer.

ND

Post by Levance (1,846 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Not that is something bad, but is just my imagination or there are more naruto's thread than normally?

Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

@Levance: I've noticed something I think should be explored. Tobirama Senju, the First's brother, he was the one who created the Edo Tensei technique and though he later labeled it as a forbidden jutsu, I don't think he was exactly pure to be able to develop such a technique. There must have been a darker side to him. Also notice that "Tobi" fits in with "Tobi"rama? :P

ND

Post by Levance (1,846 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Newdeath:May be, but the Edo tensei was already used by orochimaru to bring back tobirama

Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

@Levance: True. But it would be interesting if Tobi was actually Tobirama who somehow found a way to return

ND

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