Almost Otaku: What Effect has America had on anime?

Topic started by No_name_here on Oct. 4, 2010. Last post by Touji09 3 years, 11 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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Cogito: What effect has American Culture had on the development and creation of anime?

Doesn’t this bring us all the way back to the very beginning? Isn’t there that old chestnut about anime’s signature “big eyes” being a carryover from early animators’ very conscious attempt to emulate Mickey Mouse’s over-sized peepers?Obviously, this is all about cross-cultural exchange - - artistic symbiosis.  American toons influence earlier anime, which in turn influenced American toons in the 80s.

I had the great opportunity to meet one of the directors of G.I. JOE: THE MOVIE (the cartoon one from the 80s, not the live action one with Darth Maul) and he told me that all the animators on that project consciously looked at anime to borrow techniques. And that was in 80s! I’m sure there were hundreds of similar exchanges that happened between then and now, but if you want a really recent example of the ball getting served back…. look at PANTY & STOCKING.  It looks like something you’d see on NickToons, right?

As for American culture in general? I’m sure everybody’s already aware of the curious ways that Japan takes from US pop culture.When I went to Tokyo in the 90s, I remember seeing teens trying their best to look like greasers from the 50s - - because, apparently, that was cool at the time. I’m sure there’s a sociology paper out there somewhere that gets into more eloquent detail than I can, here. Suffice it to say, we live in a world that’s ever-shrinking.  Influences are flying freely across the Pacific - - so much so that it’s a lot harder to say who influenced whom.

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Post by SamJaz (12,796 posts) See mini bio Level 20
The guy who did Astro Boy looked to disney all the time. It's pretty official.
Post by sotyfan16 (1,341 posts) See mini bio Level 20

I would still say that influences have been more noticeable as of late. Just look at Iron Man, Wolverine, and Heroman (to name a few). I think Japan still wants to do its own thing but taking note of different works around the world can create some very interesting series. Alternate history themed series are littered with influences.

Post by rouju (20 posts) See mini bio Level 5
US Hands down. Since Japanese lost the war they always try the "look-imitate-modified-improvise thing" which somehow is works very well.
Post by Lurkero (410 posts) See mini bio Level 7
The biggest affect that America has had on anime recently is voraciously consuming the media without paying for it. I'll admit I'm part of the problem, but only because I have lost interest in DVD purchases and only watch anime through the streaming channels. I'm not sure how much individual streaming advertising dollars are worth though.
Post by PenguinDust (1,008 posts) See mini bio Level 13
I'd say that Panty and Stocking is more of a Cartoon Network thing since it bears a strong resemblance to the works of Genndy Tartakovsky (Dexter's Lab, Samurai Jack) and Craig McCracken (Powerpuff Girls, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends).  In fact, McCracken's Powerpuff Girls is one of the few franchises I know that made the conversion across to Japan instead of the other way around.  Powerpuff Girls Z was adapted from the US series.  Most of the time the influence is easier to see going from there to here, though.  Tartakovsky's new CN show, Sym-Bionic Titan is a giant robot story with lots of over sized baddies battling the heroes like Mazinger Z used to do back in the day.    
 
I believe Japanese anime takes stronger influence from Hollywood cinematography these days.   The way action scenes are choreographed in a lot of shows reflects live-action movies like Top Gun (air combat), Bullet (car chase) and Die Hard (gun fights).    
Post by ShadowKnight508 (5,319 posts) See mini bio Level 19
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@sotyfan16 said:
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I would still say that influences have been more noticeable as of late. Just look at Iron Man, Wolverine, and Heroman (to name a few). I think Japan still wants to do its own thing but taking note of different works around the world can create some very interesting series. Alternate history themed series are littered with influences.

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Agreed. At least they have tried to produce content that will not only appease the Japanese following, but the Western following of anime/manga as well. Seeing Stan Lee getting involved with a anime series ( Heroman) and a manga series ( Ultimo) is a example of this influence. I don't think that this partnership between Lee and the anime/manga series he supports would have happened 20 years ago, but it is good to see this work.


Post by YotaruVegeta (583 posts) See mini bio Level 12
To be more precise, Panty & Stocking looks like something that would be on Cartoon Network. Well, at least looks that way ;)
 
I think that besides the obvious and classic Mickey Mouse example, there are a few titles that are undoubtedly influenced by America. Here's what's off the top of my head: 
 
There's Big O, which got its season 2 in part to the response of American audiences. Then there's Black Lagoon, which is reminiscent of American action movies, and homages to 80s action, like The Losers comic. 
 
There are so many other anime that make nods to American cinema, but It would take actual effort for me to look them up. :)
 
Then there are the colabos like Animatrix, Halo Legends, Afro Samurai, Batman Gotham Knight, Iron Man, Wolverine, etc.
Post by Gaff (213 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@PenguinDust: Hmm, the circus is in town. 
   
   
If there's one person to credit for the state of anime air combat, I think it might be Ichiro Itano. And John Woo-isms (long shots, tracking shots, slow motion and those bloody pigeons) became de rigueur, especially in those late 80s / early 90s. I'll give you Bullitt, because, what hasn't that movie influenced? 
But enough playing the oneupmanship card. It's kind of hard to distill imitation unless the creators do so, like they did with dear old Tom. 
 
Of course, I do have to point out that looks can be deceiving: While Panty & Stocking (I wonder if the title itself is a joke) might borrow the visuals from what airs in the West, I haven't heard such crass innuendo since... Ebichu? I might be misremembering that...
Post by YotaruVegeta (583 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Oh, another American influence in anime. There's the circus scene in Paprika! What's more American than The Greatest Show on Earth?
Post by shamroll (6 posts) See mini bio Level 8
@YotaruVegeta said:
" Oh, another American influence in anime. There's the circus scene in Paprika! What's more American than The Greatest Show on Earth? "
I always thought of the circus as being more of a European thing than American, but that just might be my own bias since I never cared for the circus anyways.  
 
I had some example but I completely forgot it so....end
Post by YotaruVegeta (583 posts) See mini bio Level 12
I think Japan can adopt anything they want,  as long as they actually dreate a good product from the inspiration.
Post by ronat1 (127 posts) See mini bio Level 18

I had always thought about does big eyes on the anime, Its seems pretty obvious to me that anime characters have an occidental origin, for example I personaly find really hard to consider a cosplay really good mostly because of this. Anyway, anime, as well as other kind of drawings, is a piece of art, so there should be no limitations when we talk about cultural exchangening as long as it helps to improve the level of these true mirrors of human kind deepest feelings. 
Post by maimran91 (12 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Shows like Kappa Mikey has some anime elements in it.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@YotaruVegeta: "  To be more precise, Panty & Stocking looks like something that would be on Cartoon Network. Well, at least looks that way ;) " 
 
I figured it'd be too obvious to mention that.. ha!

Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@lurkero:  " The biggest affect that America has had on anime recently is voraciously consuming the media without paying for it." 
Ha! No kidding.
Post by Depth (1 posts) See mini bio Level 3
Please dont ruin my Mickey Mouse for me by comparing him to anime.
Post by zaldar (1,275 posts) See mini bio Level 15

How could that ruin mickey mouse???  That would only improve him....
Post by NexusOfLight (2 posts) See mini bio Level 5
@depth said:
" Please dont ruin my Mickey Mouse for me by comparing him to anime. "
*cough*KingdomHearts*cough* 
Post by YotaruVegeta (583 posts) See mini bio Level 12
@depth: What are you talking about? Mikey Mouse has been linked to anime since Osamu Tezuka, and it's not in our power to break that link.
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