is layfon alseif continent level?

Topic started by OfficialRikudouSennin on May 19, 2014. Last post by damien1993 6 months, 2 weeks ago.
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Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,797 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Scans? MIght want to show us this big feat that would even make you think he's up there.

Post by DBZ_universe (15,885 posts) See mini bio Level 17

This goes in General Discussion not Battle Forum.

Post by taichokage (15,268 posts) See mini bio Level 20
I think the Chrome Shelled Regios discussion would be better since it only pertains to that series. Although I can see a problem with that. Threads that go to series discussions that aren't mainstream tend to get extreme low activity because nobody looks there.
Post by takashichea (14,319 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@DBZ_universe said:

This goes in General Discussion not Battle Forum.

No, if the topic deals with specific wiki page, it's better to move there. Moved to Layfon Alseif. General Discussion is for topics covering both anime and manga at the same time and more than one wiki page.

Post by OfficialRikudouSennin (704 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Whats_out_the_bag said:

Scans? MIght want to show us this big feat that would even make you think he's up there.

Thats the point there is non

Post by willyvereb (5,943 posts) See mini bio Level 17
Depends on which version you are talking about.
His anime adaptation is at best town level with his manga versions having even less feats.
 
As for the novels, some of the most impressive feats occour during Volume 14.
Grendan faces the the Nano-Celluloid Durandal which is a gigantic creature which sorrounded the whole city in a dome 30 kilo-mels thick (kilometers?some comparisons make kilo-mels equal even multitude of that)
And that's just the dome.
The actual creature is a bit further away with size so homongous that even from the altitude of 30-40 kilometers and about 60-90 kilometers away it still fills up the entire vision.
It also has 10 heads with each being the size of an entire city (Filth Monsters with a name, which are generally that big)
So think of that as a gigantic torso with about hundreds of kilometers in height.
Yup, it's almost retardedly big with retardedly huge mass (at least in the And regenerates almost instantaneously. 
Yet Heavens Blade Successors were confident they could most likely destroy it to the last cell if all 9 of them use their full power at once.
Albeit they rightfully feared that the backlash of such attack would also destroy the city and leave their exhausted bodies exposed to the Pollutants.
Anyways, their claim got further reinforced when Barmelin started shooting at the monster in anger.
Her first shot blew a gaping hole in both the dome and the monster's true body enough that it offered a clear view to the Moon.
That's actually where the continent-buster feat comes from.
Of course Durandal reformed almost immediately.
Speaking of which Durandal was claimed to be also responsible for destroying the Earth and the raw kinetic energy of its quick travel from the Moon to the world of Regios was also calculated to be in this range.
Similarly, Queen Alsheyra's final attack on the monster also sucked in all that retarded amount of mass under a split-second (as the source claimed) into a single spot which again requires retardedly large amounts of energy.
Where did the energy went, then? Probably to the same place as the rest of the monster's mass.
Anyways, during the last few volumes Layfon fights some of the strongest beings in his verse. He isn't an exact match but can offer more than a little resistance and deal actual harm on them.
As such by EoS Layfon is actually a planetbuster in power.
Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,797 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@OfficialRikudouSennin:

Then he isn't at that level. lol

Case closed guys.

@willyvereb:

Novel as in graphic novel or is it just literally a novel?

Post by willyvereb (5,943 posts) See mini bio Level 17
@Whats_out_the_bag: You could've literally find this out under the 3 minutes it took me to see your reply.
It's a light novel series.
Think of ToAru but with less gibberish writing and no weird speech patterns.
It has a few images and some could be even used to quantify stuff.
But not this one.
There are absolutely no images of the creature, only descriptions and implications. Think of it as the series' equivalent of Cthulhu or other giant world-ending eldritch abomination.
 Hell, the thickness of the dome wasn't actually stated, either.
We just know that Nina bore a gaping hole through it and the tunnel lead directly to Zuellni.
So it bridged the distance between two mobile cities that had been moving apart from each other for at least hours and a claim about the monster being first spotted 30 kilomels away.
So there you go.
Durandal's first attempt was also to use the dome as a gigantic mouth to eat Grendan like a candy but Saya's barrier prevented that.
Thus Durandal opted for a different tactic.
Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,797 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@willyvereb:

You could've literally find this out under the 3 minutes it took me to see your reply.

Oh dear. That's like 180 seconds more than I wanted to spend looking for rather something was a graphic novel or a simple book.

Anyways. We can say he's one, but wouldn't be good to use this in a battle or anything. There's some holes in it, but I'll have to check this book out.

Peace.

Post by damien1993 (4 posts) See mini bio Level 5

He is infact, infact through measuments and hax he should obviously higher than continental.

"Base Nina herself ran through Zuellni at full speed to figure out why she was on a rampage, now Nina herself in the light novel was stated to be lightning speed and have lightning speed reactions when she got dressed. (Before she was possessed by the haizoku or even the 6). Now lightning itself on the lowest end is mach 300, mid end mach 6600, and on the highest end 1/3-1/2 the speed of light. Now we at first assumed that her speed was only mach 300 but...

Naruki herself dodged multiple physcokenitic cloud to ground lightning strikes, with flakes that followed her highspeed movements accordingly. People might say that wasn't Natural lightning! Wrong! Just like how sasuke created a storm using heat and fireballs and how andrew in chronicle created a lightning storm with his anger. The only thing unnatural about it was the storm itself but the lightning circumvented through the storm was and the energy (kei) made it turn purple. Marking Narukis speed was about mach 300 but she admitted she only used 80% of her speed at that time so admittedily Mach 360.

During the training camp Nina outspaced Naruki, even when Naruki was increasing her speed, meaning she was at least two time faster than Naruki putting her at mach 720. But as the book said Nina is legitmatly lightning speed so she must honestly be mach 6600 for mid end lightning.

Now using the same frames of calcs that were used to calc Tsuna who made it to Japan in a few 3-5-7 minutes from italy. Putting him at mach 200.

Now to fully calculate the distance between the time that it took Nina to get to the mechanical department. And Carried out her conversation with Kalian and Sharnid and the rest of the team. (Without plot nonsense), did an expermient to see how long the conversation would take in a rushed environment. The conversation in slowed paced environment took over 40 seconds plus. While in a rushed environment it took 15-25 seconds. Meaning the regios (aka city) is far bigger than the distance between italy and japan, the fact that it took her anytime at all. Shows that the regios aka "citys" were continent to far larger than continent size.

Now Using Willyverbs statement up above as it said in the light novel, durndals head was as big as 10 citys, now as we know so far. The city's in CSR (based on measuments, distances, and frames). Are as large as continents easily scailing to be bigger than continents. For Durandals head to be that big. It means its body is massively larger than that to be able to hold that weight. Normally for a person a head is 1/7of the body. Using that measuments Durandal was so humungously huge!"

  • When Barmelin blasted that whole into the filth monsters. Should have put her over continent, and layfon over her who has more kei Qauntity than her. And admitted he sealed a portion of his power. The fact that he admitted he fought for a week straight before (7 days straight). Now only for 3 days straight. 7/3 = 2.33333333333. Meaning he at least sealed 2.33% of his power.
  • I cant even get the numbers. Ill leave to that to the geniuses of willyverb or his calibur when it comes to that. Its almost unquantumfiable because its a novel and the numbers are based on statments of the writer, but its for that exact reason we have to go by the statements. Its the canon novel not the anime or manga, we cant relly on whats seen only whats said.
Post by OfficialRikudouSennin (704 posts) See mini bio Level 12

So whats his legit level?

that planet level statement is just :|

Post by damien1993 (4 posts) See mini bio Level 5

@OfficialRikudouSennin: well speed willyverb already calced: http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=948342&highlight=layfon+speed

- Let me remind you for those who haven't read the light novel or know the basis of keior kei techniques.

1. Layfon one shotted claribel. Who is a heavens blade, who dodged the light speed laser, and claimed he was weak. He did this without unsealing his power.

2. He fought Haia 3 times and according to Savalis he held back and/or gotten weaker. This was the case for both scenarios, as layfon admitted early in the light novel that he sealed his power away, and savalis admitted during there third fight layfon could have easily cut off haias wrist while fighting but choose not to.

3. Rumei (another heavens blade), who also reacted to and dodged the light speed lasers. Layfon admitted he could have easily blitzed and killed rumei. But did not do so because of depression, and his powers fluctuate dependent on his mood.

- Proving layfon at least has Faster than light speed reactions and movement of a higher calibur than the other 3.

- Chrome Shelled Regios Characters can increase there speed by simply addding kei to there legs and making themselves faster. Dependent on how much kei they add too them

- Layfon can do that or increase his speed via kei techniques which are each faster than the other, or he can most likely combine all 3, putting his speed and reactions at massively FTL.

Now his strength level seems unquantumfiable as hell but as I explained in my earlier commentt. He should easilybe over continent.

Now for the Eos Layfon being planetary, I have no idea why @willyvereb: actually said that I trust him, his basis are actually normally legit. Im curious myself, but you would have to ask him. Why is Layfon Planetary Wilyverb? Whats your basis? Cause Im Curious myself as well? O.o

Post by OfficialRikudouSennin (704 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@damien1993 said:

@OfficialRikudouSennin: well speed willyverb already calced: http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=948342&highlight=layfon+speed

- Let me remind you for those who haven't read the light novel or know the basis of keior kei techniques.

1. Layfon one shotted claribel. Who is a heavens blade, who dodged the light speed laser, and claimed he was weak. He did this without unsealing his power.

2. He fought Haia 3 times and according to Savalis he held back and/or gotten weaker. This was the case for both scenarios, as layfon admitted early in the light novel that he sealed his power away, and savalis admitted during there third fight layfon could have easily cut off haias wrist while fighting but choose not to.

3. Rumei (another heavens blade), who also reacted to and dodged the light speed lasers. Layfon admitted he could have easily blitzed and killed rumei. But did not do so because of depression, and his powers fluctuate dependent on his mood.

- Proving layfon at least has Faster than light speed reactions and movement of a higher calibur than the other 3.

- Chrome Shelled Regios Characters can increase there speed by simply addding kei to there legs and making themselves faster. Dependent on how much kei they add too them

- Layfon can do that or increase his speed via kei techniques which are each faster than the other, or he can most likely combine all 3, putting his speed and reactions at massively FTL.

Now his strength level seems unquantumfiable as hell but as I explained in my earlier commentt. He should easilybe over continent.

Now for the Eos Layfon being planetary, I have no idea why @willyvereb: actually said that I trust him, his basis are actually normally legit. Im curious myself, but you would have to ask him. Why is Layfon Planetary Wilyverb? Whats your basis? Cause Im Curious myself as well? O.o

.....he isnt even planet lol he is more or less a country

Post by damien1993 (4 posts) See mini bio Level 5

@OfficialRikudouSennin: He is largely over country no matter how much you want to deny it.

The Regios in the light novel are calculated to be larger than continent structures. The Contamnoid, durandal was said to have a head as big as 10 regios (basically as big as 10 continents). The head is only 1/7th of a body, but Barmelin (a heavens blade). Blew a whole so masssive in its body that you could see clearly to the moon. The Queen stated layfon had more Kei than the other Heavens blades meaning he could of made a whole bigger than her (Barmelin) if he wanted to. (Especially that he can make clones).

Since you want to be so smart you try calculating how large a regios is in the light novel (Not the anime with out plot non sense).

Use the same frames that was used from Tsunas calc, how he made it from italy to japan in a few minutes 3-5-7. Which calced him at mach 200.

Now use Ninas Speed: Mach 720 to Mach 6600, put her at the same spot Tsuna was in italy using the same frames and calc how far she would get in the time it took her to get to the training room to the mechanical department. Then multiply that number by 2 or 1.5: As Nina did not travel through the whole city only a certain portion of it, in a certain amount of time. (Let me remind you, me and a couple friends already did this and the distance is far more than From Italy is to japan but try it yourself). The time it took based on the conversation Nina had with Kalian and the team took about 15-20 seconds in a very rushed manner and way, but longer in a rushed but not as much environment 30+ but a little over a minute if I remember correctly. So at least 20secs-1min. Then again the distance you get multiply it by 2. Thats how big Zuellni is a small regios in chrome shelled regios. That Distance alone easily = Over continent. Especially since regios are a full circle in shape a dome shape structure.

So again Barmelin over continent << Layfon >> Barmelin.

Post by willyvereb (5,943 posts) See mini bio Level 17

Actually, the best speed feat was done by somebody from whom you could expect it the least.
Ruimei, one of the buffest and power oriented Heavens Blade Successors in the series.
It happened in volume 21 when fighting a part of Laevateinn. There are other feats but that was the most notable.

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=948342

As for planetbuster Layfon that's a simple case of powerscaling and momentarily matching people who were on this level.
Queen Alsheyra in V14 destroyed Durandal/Durindana in an extremely violent way.
It's been more than a year since the lazy calc but Durandal's weight was somewhere in the tens of quadrillions of tons and the Queen's attack made it spiral up into a single point under a split-second.
So you have this retardedly lot mass spiraling up into the point of impact under less than a second, thus giving you velocities around 4000-9000 km/s.
The rest are just simple kinetic energy calculations, giving you about 500 zettatons of TNT equivalent energy, IIRC.
This could be potentially higher since the Queen is above Durandal in power and like I said before it was claimed that previously Durandal pulled the entire Earth into the Zero Domain.
Worse, the creature also said to make its body via raw mass-energy conversion. If you use the E=mc^2 formula on that you get hundreds of yottatons of TNT equivalent energy.
And why's this important?
In volume 22 the Queen faces Laevateinn.
At first she ha the decisive advantage in power but then Laevateinn stops holding back and burns her Aurora Particle reserves at maximum, even stopping the same spear attack which did that zettaton-yield feat before with her bare hand.
Both Layfon and Lintence actively assist the Queen there and while they're not exactly at the same level they could maximize their power for moments enough to match Laevateinn during certain exchanges.
So yeah, they're just that good.
 
Also later Layfon kinda faces off against the top dog of their verse. Technically he was no match (Nina almost was) but Layfon was still strong enough to deliver the killing blow in the end.
So yeah.
As for why they don't just blow up everything during fights?
Well, there are multiple reasons but mostly it's the same as with DBZ.
The intensity of attacks doesn't always correlate with the amount of destruction they do.
We call this the "concentrated attacks" theory.
Almost every fiction use them to some extend. But they're the most glaringly visible during such times.
BTW, Dixerio just blew up the Moon as a side effect of his battle.
Albeit I'd need to read Regios Crusade before detailing how (which I cant until the novels are translated).


Post by damien1993 (4 posts) See mini bio Level 5

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=948342 @willyvereb: I wish i can like that post i really do ^, But Layon admitted he could have easily blitz and killed rumei during there fight but because his mood at that time he didn't want to. And was being sacrafical to his body. Even rumei stated that Layfon was basically better than him. Proving Layfons speed even more, he even asked him. "What are you gonna do? Kill me Barmelin, and Surpass Lientence?" ^ Layfons speed is most likely FTL because of these statements. This should have been proven even more when Layfon One Shotted Claribel (Who also dodged the light speed Lasers), and defeaated Hiai 3 times even 1 shoting him one time (Who also dodged the light speed lasers). And also do you know what happened during Volume 25 it hasn't been translated yet and im still waiting for it?

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