KILL LA KILL #7 Needs to Drop Out of School!

Topic started by No_name_here on Nov. 12, 2013. Last post by zaldar 1 year, 1 month ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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Yep - - this episode was definitely devised by somebody with real and practical experience in running school clubs. The excessive amount of paperwork, the boring and pointless bureaucratic meetings, the flagrant abuse of club funds for personal gain… that’s all quite accurate to the whole experience. Believe me.

I thought some of you lunatics were a little too quick to opine that this series needed to move outside of the school, almost right away, but I’m starting to see your point a little. It’s a problem that BINBOGAMI-GA shared, actually (which is on my mind because FUNi’s finally releasing that series as GOOD LUCK GIRL). Since the show is trying to straddle the line between sitcom and long-form adventure, it can only get away with putting Ryoko through so many variations of the signature gag before you start getting anxious for the plot to get along.

Don’t get me wrong, I thought the schism between besties - - sorted out in the way that only KILL LA KILL can sort it out - - was actually rather poignant. On paper, it all sounded rather cleverly constructed, and the show took care of some plotting dirtywork rather concisely by having Ryoko blare through the other clubs in a quick montage. Still, I couldn’t help but feel like some points have already been made here and, even with the dissolution of the school council, I feel like the show needs another twist to really kick it in the butt.

These all sound like faint criticism, I know. Honestly, it’s been a long week full of video viewing (expect some new reviews soon)… so maybe I’m simply just maxed out in this stuff as I punch the clock for the weekend?

Watch this episode, A Loser I Can't Hate" here and decide for yourself, then read my comments on the previous episode here.

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Post by Kino88 (235 posts) See mini bio Level 6

yeah, oddly enough this show is starting to feel a bit one note, even the humor is starting to grade on me,

I don't intend to drop it, yet..... so far Gurren Lahgan did a better job of raising the stakes and topping itself (LOL) again, and again, were'as this show seems content to meander along with far less thrust, this tug a war between Matoi and the president gal, just dose not pack the same bold crazy and ever escalating journey as that of Simon and his heaven piercing drill,

Row, Row, fight the power!

Post by takashichea (14,366 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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I didn't like this episode much. Mako wasn't herself. I liked her when she is crazy. With Mako doing a show and tell on valuing friendship over money, it was way off for her character. Plus, the fight with Mako and Ryuko was a bit boring. I expected Mako to a do Hadoken or something cool.

I still feel the series is constricted by the school's boundaries.

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Post by zaldar (1,300 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Interesting no talk about the anti-capitalist rant or philosophical meaning behind the villain? We find she believes the basic fact of human nature that is behind capitalism (people are motivated by money and wealth) but rather than turning that motivation so it helps others when you enrich yourself she uses it as a reason to set up her fascist dictatorship as humans are in pigs clothing. I also loved her manipulation of the protagonist. I will let you make your club as it will blend you into my system AND even if it doesn't you will help remove the undesirable weaker portions of my empire. No way I can loose. That was a wonderful manipulative move and REALLY showed the intelligence that we are up against.

One thing I found interesting, when they were at their richest point and the family was all leaving, the son was about to stay until the mother called his attention and then he left it was almost like they were all leaving on purpose....nothing ever done with this again but wonder if there isn't a deeper game being played here by someone thoughts?

Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

I want you to know that I came out of "retirement," to discuss how much I hated this episode.

On a whim I checked out Tumblr to see what the reception to this episode was among the "masses." What I was able to gather is that most people seem overwhelmingly positive about the episode, which yes I take with a grain of salt. I think most people are: 1) under eighteen and don't give a shit, and 2) crazy people that think Mako is the best character on the show.

There is one thing that I can't get over with this show as we reach the eighth episode. Isn't the major conceit/premise that Matoi needs to figure out who killed her father? Why have a revenge plot in the first place if you aren't even going feature it in a major way, and just mention it in passing from time to time? This shit hasn't progressed beyond episode three at this point! I get that the set up is that she has to defeat everyone in order to get information, but I mean she could do her own investigation about her father's death. She could try to find other people who knew her father. I really doubt that some psycho student council president is the only person that knew who he was, and has information about his death. That and these canon fodder battles just come across as incredibly pointless, and worse repetitious. My prediction is that Satsuki's mom is like Mom from Futurama, and Matoi's father was the Professor Farnsworth. His great ideas got stolen by someone more cunning than him and the head of Mom Corp. killed him to get all the credit and maintain her power. But this just leads me to my main question of why Matoi is limiting herself to the Academy. Thus far my only answer is because the writers said so.

Now about the actual episode. The two things I did not like about this episode were Mako, and the growing allegory about class and capitalism. So firstly Mako…she’s a loud and stupid sidekick butt monkey that speaks in riddles and acts like a lunatic. Thus far that’s how the writers have depicted her, and that’s all I see in her. She’s not special; she’s an archetype that I have been aware of since Azumanga Daioh. Giving her more face time rather than tying up all of those loose ends I mentioned before just drives me insane. People like her because they like crazy characters that act like, and that's okay, however if you are going to have a butt monkey at least be consistent about their characterization. Mako is dim witted but she flips on a dime from being an ally and friend to Matoi to being the Monster of the Day. I just found that to be obnoxious plot by convenience. Also on a more fundamental level butt monkeys don't need characterization...protagonists do.

Now let's talk about t this metaphor about class and the evils of a material society. It is WEAK. I get it… this society is tragically flawed because it values personal wealth and classifies people based on the clothes that they wear. Yes I understand that you feel like this detracts from the traditional values of Japan. Jesus Christ I understand what you are saying about how money and personal wealth make you lose sight of what is important like friends and family! What I’m trying to say is that it is painfully spelled out to the audience, again, and again leaving little to the imagination. I am okay with animes with a message, but this show is going about it in a laziest and most inane manner possible. It's like Baby's First Communist Manifesto. Also, this sort of commentary is something you normally slowly and surely build up to with time and let the audience discover and interpret at their own prerogative. I just think it's common courtesy to not just drop a metaphorical bomb on the eighth episode and say hey everyone this is what this show is going to be about. If I have to listen to Satsuki go on about humans being pigs for every episode, then I think this series has made a massive misstep. If I wanted a commentary about the ills of capitalism I will read Upton Sinclair, the commentary here is just amateur hour incarnate.

All in all I have some major concerns about the show going forward. This anti-capitalism message is so stunningly superficial that it is honestly painful to listen to the characters when they are spelling it out to the audience. Eight episodes in and we are still limited to the same set pieces, and worse I still have no idea where this show wants to go in large part due to all of my aforementioned issues!

Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Well I sure look like a crazy person for writing so much about a single episode.

Post by DocHaus (936 posts) See mini bio Level 18

@ZombiePie: Oh hey ZP! Glad you stopped by!

Also, I don't think this show is too concerned about teaching lessons through subtlety, especially considering how the history class in the first two episodes was stuck on Hitler for SYMBOLISM sake just before Satsuki shows up with her whole Orwellian mantra in BIG BOLD LETTERS.

Dont forget the end of the episode, where Satsuki reveals the whole thing was just to see if she could absorb Mako and Ryuko into The System. And if that failed, at least she wiped out all the club leaders for her. It's a theory of mine that in modern society, for all the talk about rebelling against The Man, in the end your only options are to be assimilated into The System or be crushed under The Man's boots and be broken figuratively and/or literally. But again, giving this episode more thought than it deserves, or asked for.

Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@DocHaus: Dude that Hitler/fascism stuff from episode three or four was ten times worse. All I'm saying is that if you aren't good at something you shouldn't do it.

Post by DocHaus (936 posts) See mini bio Level 18

@ZombiePie:"...you tried your best, and you failed miserably. The lesson is: never try."

Post by zaldar (1,300 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@DocHaus: Wow for people who undoubtedly agree with the anti-capitalist tone of this episode (which I do not really as I suppose Doc would say I am assimilated into the system) you really didn't like ti much did you? Remember that she does have to go to school somewhere, and that she hasn't in her entire life found anyone else who knows anything out about her father and that she is slowly coming to enjoy her life with her new family (and I think she just wants to take the system down).

The lesson is never "never try" simply try harder or find something you can do well, learn, and do not expect to get more than you earn.

Post by Marshal Victory (2,652 posts) See mini bio Level 14

The 1st rule of Kill la Kill is not to talk about Fight Club!

Its a easy line.. right there an no one went for it?!!!

Any way.I like the episode.

@DocHaus: Fairly curent political history almost back that theory up.Except one thing.When those who rebeled become the persons of power then "the man " is "good" .Perspective seems lost.Dont think its so much as the system ( least in the states) assimulates them.Its just their egos really are that big.

@ZombiePie: Why is Hitler/fascism stuff from the early shows bad? Historicly socilist /comunist nations become fascist.Also are we sure the shows set in japan?It could well be in china.Hell what litle history lesson that was there is good for those under eighteens.

@zaldar: Um i dont get the the "anti-capitalist tone" of the show at all either. If any thing it shows how a comunist/socilist system corupts.The school is the state in this town.All the paper work was for the state.You can excele only for the state.The main vilian is pro comunist/socialist facist.People are to be molded by her system.For their own good .An in her system to protect her life style.

Seemed to me if they were pushing a episode morale message with this show its" money can not buy happiness".Tho from personal experiance being poor does not make one a fountian of joy either.

Also agree with ya on the never try lesson..I mean i sucked at drawning when i started.Later on i won awards even had scholerships to collage because of it.Didnt go but wnet after auto body in trade school an i sucked at it at the start to. Later cars i built won car shows.If one strives for nothing thats all they will have.

Post by zaldar (1,300 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Marshal Victory: Joke doesn't work as they talked about it really but eh. Any don't work for money getting money and power bad I would say is anticapitalist. Yes school represents state but the wider message here seemed pretty anti work and materialist.

Not the best episode but certainly entertaining.

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